NBA Hoyas

[DanMcQ]

www.newsok.com/will-jeff-green-be-back-in-a-thunder-uniform-next-season/article/3508837

Hope that Oklahoma comes to their senses...

[daytonahoya31]

KC,

Are you a jerk in real life like you are to each and every person on this board? Just wondering.

[hoyainspirit]

Well, it's only two games, but he's off to a good start. I selfishly hope he stays with the Thunder and gets paid.

[daytonahoya31]

On the subject of Jeff, I don't think he'll be back. A team with dollars and the need for a true athletic small forward that can do everything will certainly try to snap him up this summer. I wouldn't be surprised to see him end up somewhere like New York, or maybe a San Antonio or a Dallas.

The Thunder are certainly playing with fire here, because Jeff's value is high enough for what he does on the court and will be even higher because of his intangibles

[MCIGuy]

Oct 30, 2010 9:09:28 GMT -5 kchoya said:

Oct 30, 2010 6:47:10 GMT -5 MCIGuy said:

Its all up to Greg. As soon as he decides he really wants to be a very good player, he will get his time and his minutes. I have little doubt regarding his abilities, but his work ethic and his desire could use some improvement.

Btw any reason why this wasn't posted in the Hoya-NBA thread?

How could you possibly know what his work ethic or desire are? That's like saying I know you have no intelligence based on your stupid posts on this message board. I don't see how, in either example, one can make such an argument without even knowing the person being criticized.

That's two posts in the row you in which you took some shots me, kc. I don’t think I shot your dog or anything like that, but you have my condolences anyway.

As for Greg these questions regarding his motor, his intensity, his hunger, passion, his desire and..uh…every other cliché has been dogging him since high school. So I’m going to take a leap of faith and assume there is some validity to these criticisms. Last time I check I did not need a PhD in psychology nor a collection of all the facts to offer an opinion on a sports message board. Nor does anyone else here based upon the comments written on this site over the years. Certainly I don’t need your permission so why don’t you get over it and limit yourself to reading the posts of those people you find to be of an acceptable intelligence level.
Every second of every day fans make judgments regarding players’ work ethics when they don’t perform well or they seem not to be playing hard. People in the sports media business make a living at questioning players’ desires all the time without having all the facts or even a single conversation with the guy they are criticizing. It’s the nature of sports. And politics. So don’t waste time on this board asking me to provide proof of what I do or don’t know about Greg on these issues. My proof isn’t needed or necessary. My opinions don’t need to be taken as fact, just one man’s point of view or one man’s “educated” (I must be giving myself too much credit on that one) guess.

Greg is, IN MY OPINION, the most talented player III has coached. He certainly had, from a statistical point of view, the best soph season that any guy has had under III and perhaps the best soph season of any Hoya since Iverson. But while he was consistent enough to be “good’ almost every time he stepped out on the court last season, he certainly wasn’t great nearly as many time as he should have/could have been. Last season he would put together a fantastic performance and you think to yourself maybe its too much to expect a 19 year old to play like this every game in college but how about once a week or at least 1 out of 3 games.? Granted III’s system doesn’t make it easy for guys to shine individually. But its also clear Greg doesn’t choose to enforce his will in a game as much as he is capable of. And its not for a lack of ability.

If the complaints about Greg not busting his tail in games was just something that came out of the blue once he became a pro then we could brush off stuff that some of us have been reading (those of us who keep up with NBA Hoyas by visiting websites that cover their particular pro teams) regarding Greg’s time so far as a Piston. But this has been going on for awhile. Back in high school when players, writers and fans were wondering how a guy so talented and so highly ranked could be so lackadaisical for long stretches or entire games, to his time in college when people were questioning his passiveness in Kenner League games and his disappearances against some college teams, up to his time now as a pro in which a head coach is calling him out for not running the floor and already people are questioning his motor. Notice a trend or are you even less intelligent than me? It doesn’t matter how many shots you miss or how many turnovers you commit, if folks think you are playing hard each time out they will give you a break. However when you start reading comments about a guy’s motor it tells us that they are taking issue with the effort he’s giving. One’s effort should never be questioned.

[HometownHoya]

It makes me wonder....how much is it really that Greg looks effortless when he plays?

[MCIGuy]

That could have something to do with it, Hometown. Nonetheless you would think after all the practices the head coach must see a big problem that he thinks Greg has to correct before he sees the court.

[williambraskyiii]

Oct 30, 2010 10:57:08 GMT -5 HometownHoya said:

It makes me wonder....how much is it really that Greg looks effortless when he plays?

None, really. Did you see him in preseason? He had one great game in summer league and stunk for the rest of the time. While MCI makes some great points about labels that have been dogging GM since HS, I don't know that this is an "effort" or "motor" issue as much as it is that Greg isn't NBA-ready, in body, in skill set, etc. He's going to need some time to develop. I hope he does develop (in practice, garbage minutes, whatever), but this is a dangerous situation because even the green guys in the league often get the opportunity to play through their lack of readiness and develop that way. A lot of guys also don't get that opportunity and end up languishing on the end of the bench, ultimately getting discouraged or never improving.

[prhoya]

I don't agree. Greg has the body and fundamental skills, but just needs time and practice to adjust to the next level. He's a young rookie. If it takes him longer than a fellow would-have-been-junior in college, then so be it. He'll get it and contribute later in the season.

[MCIGuy]

Oct 30, 2010 11:47:21 GMT -5 williambraskyiii said:

Oct 30, 2010 10:57:08 GMT -5 HometownHoya said:

It makes me wonder....how much is it really that Greg looks effortless when he plays?

None, really. Did you see him in preseason? He had one great game in summer league and stunk for the rest of the time. While MCI makes some great points about labels that have been dogging GM since HS, I don't know that this is an "effort" or "motor" issue as much as it is that Greg isn't NBA-ready, in body, in skill set, etc. He's going to need some time to develop. I hope he does develop (in practice, garbage minutes, whatever), but this is a dangerous situation because even the green guys in the league often get the opportunity to play through their lack of readiness and develop that way. A lot of guys also don't get that opportunity and end up languishing on the end of the bench, ultimately getting discouraged or never improving.

I think he is more than ready from a skill set (with the exception perhaps of finishing at a high rate on his layups). But its the mental thing (attitude, approach, confidence) that somewhat worries me. Was he ready

By the way he had three good to very good games in the SL out of the five he played. In the preseason though he did have only one really good outing.

[EasyEd]

Greg needed to follow the example of Roy and stay in school to give him time to mature enough for the NBA.

[Nevada Hoya]

Since he hasn't play in the league, can Greg come back to Georgetown now, complete his degree, and be a part of the team again?

[CAHoya07]

Oct 30, 2010 14:03:52 GMT -5 Nevada Hoya said:

Since he hasn't play in the league, can Greg come back to Georgetown now, complete his degree, and be a part of the team again?

Agreed. A bit early to say that, but right now, agreed.

While Greg Monroe rode the pine, Oklahoma City beat Detroit on a last second layup by Jeff Green. Green had 21 points despite a poor shooting night (7-18 FG, 1-8 3pt FG, 6-8 FT) and 5 rebounds.

scores.espn.go.com/nba/recap?gameId=301029008

[gujake]

Not surprised at all.

I of course want him to do well because it will be good for Georgetown, but I don't see it happening. Hope he proves me wrong.

[mapei]

Rather than desire, motor, etc., I would call Greg's issue "concentration." He wants it as much as anyone, but not everyone has the ability to focus intensely for extended periods of time. The issue is, can he develop it and will he impress the team enough so that they give him the chance? We all hope so.

As for Jeff and the Thunder, I'm not concerned. He seems very well regarded by the team and in the league and will land well if he goes elsewhere. OKC is everybody's team of the future at the moment, so it would seem a good situation if he is able to say. But the article Dan posted says that very, very few people are being signed to extensions right now, in large part because the CBA is up in the air.

The article says:

"Simply put, how much another team offers Green next summer will determine whether he remains in a Thunder uniform beyond this season. Oklahoma City's front office has had few missteps, and it's unlikely that one of the most disciplined franchises will overpay to retain Green at the risk of jeopardizing the rest of its young nucleus.

"But the bond between Green and the Thunder is a strong one, dating to his surprising, and questioned, selection as the fifth overall pick.

"Since joining Durant as the franchise's first two cornerstones, Green has endeared himself to the coaching staff and managerial staff. He's earned a reputation for being both the consummate teammate and valuable because of his versatility."

Few worries here.

[kghoya]

The national nightmare is over, Greg has already played 1:03 in tonight's Pistons game.

[kchoya]

Oct 30, 2010 10:39:45 GMT -5 MCIGuy said:

Oct 30, 2010 9:09:28 GMT -5 kchoya said:

How could you possibly know what his work ethic or desire are? That's like saying I know you have no intelligence based on your stupid posts on this message board. I don't see how, in either example, one can make such an argument without even knowing the person being criticized.

That's two posts in the row you in which you took some shots me, kc. I don’t think I shot your dog or anything like that, but you have my condolences anyway.

As for Greg these questions regarding his motor, his intensity, his hunger, passion, his desire and..uh…every other cliché has been dogging him since high school. So I’m going to take a leap of faith and assume there is some validity to these criticisms. Last time I check I did not need a PhD in psychology nor a collection of all the facts to offer an opinion on a sports message board. Nor does anyone else here based upon the comments written on this site over the years. Certainly I don’t need your permission so why don’t you get over it and limit yourself to reading the posts of those people you find to be of an acceptable intelligence level.
Every second of every day fans make judgments regarding players’ work ethics when they don’t perform well or they seem not to be playing hard. People in the sports media business make a living at questioning players’ desires all the time without having all the facts or even a single conversation with the guy they are criticizing. It’s the nature of sports. And politics. So don’t waste time on this board asking me to provide proof of what I do or don’t know about Greg on these issues. My proof isn’t needed or necessary. My opinions don’t need to be taken as fact, just one man’s point of view or one man’s “educated” (I must be giving myself too much credit on that one) guess.

Greg is, IN MY OPINION, the most talented player III has coached. He certainly had, from a statistical point of view, the best soph season that any guy has had under III and perhaps the best soph season of any Hoya since Iverson. But while he was consistent enough to be “good’ almost every time he stepped out on the court last season, he certainly wasn’t great nearly as many time as he should have/could have been. Last season he would put together a fantastic performance and you think to yourself maybe its too much to expect a 19 year old to play like this every game in college but how about once a week or at least 1 out of 3 games.? Granted III’s system doesn’t make it easy for guys to shine individually. But its also clear Greg doesn’t choose to enforce his will in a game as much as he is capable of. And its not for a lack of ability.

If the complaints about Greg not busting his tail in games was just something that came out of the blue once he became a pro then we could brush off stuff that some of us have been reading (those of us who keep up with NBA Hoyas by visiting websites that cover their particular pro teams) regarding Greg’s time so far as a Piston. But this has been going on for awhile. Back in high school when players, writers and fans were wondering how a guy so talented and so highly ranked could be so lackadaisical for long stretches or entire games, to his time in college when people were questioning his passiveness in Kenner League games and his disappearances against some college teams, up to his time now as a pro in which a head coach is calling him out for not running the floor and already people are questioning his motor. Notice a trend or are you even less intelligent than me? It doesn’t matter how many shots you miss or how many turnovers you commit, if folks think you are playing hard each time out they will give you a break. However when you start reading comments about a guy’s motor it tells us that they are taking issue with the effort he’s giving. One’s effort should never be questioned.

Not taking a shot - just using an extreme example to point out the absurdity of your position. I have nothing against you. I simply think the fact that you can know a kid's "work ethic" and internal composition is fascinating.

[Nevada Hoya]

Drum role time: after two games both Roy and Jeff have higher averages than LeBron. ;D

[lichoya68]

THINK greg also got his first nba points tonite go hoyas One AND all.

[SSHoya]

Another solid game for Roy. 14 & 13, plus 5 assists in win over 76ers.