blueandgray
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Post by blueandgray on Jul 8, 2017 0:50:09 GMT -5
There will be haters, but this is a nice pick up for the Cavs. They are desperate for help on their 2nd team and Jeff can provide it.
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iowa80
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Post by iowa80 on Jul 8, 2017 8:12:52 GMT -5
There will be haters, but this is a nice pick up for the Cavs. They are desperate for help on their 2nd team and Jeff can provide it. I don't see how the Cavs can lose for one year at that money. The real story, unfortunately, is that 30-year old Jeff doesn't command a better deal.
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Post by tashoya on Jul 8, 2017 8:55:38 GMT -5
There will be haters, but this is a nice pick up for the Cavs. They are desperate for help on their 2nd team and Jeff can provide it. I don't see how the Cavs can lose for one year at that money. The real story, unfortunately, is that 30-year old Jeff doesn't command a better deal. Agree completely. I can't imagine any haters at that price point.
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beenaround
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Post by beenaround on Jul 8, 2017 10:48:09 GMT -5
There will be haters, but this is a nice pick up for the Cavs. They are desperate for help on their 2nd team and Jeff can provide it. I don't see how the Cavs can lose for one year at that money. The real story, unfortunately, is that 30-year old Jeff doesn't command a better deal. Folks on this board have called Otto..Otto Pippen. I have always thought that if you took Otto's basketball IQ and desire and put it in Jeff Green's body you would truly have Otto Pippen. Otto is getting a max deal, with far less physical tools (strength, leaping ability, explosion) than Jeff. On the other hand, Jeff did have a serious medical issue to overcome, is a great rep of the University, and has earned a lot more money than I have!
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Jul 8, 2017 11:33:45 GMT -5
The missing link for Cleveland?!
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Post by Hoyaholic on Jul 8, 2017 18:45:02 GMT -5
I clearly don't watch enough NBA, because this contract seems inconceivable to me in the context of other contracts I have seen lately, like say, Rudy Gay.
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blueandgray
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Post by blueandgray on Jul 8, 2017 19:44:41 GMT -5
With a good season, say 10 pts and 5 boards a game, Jeff gives himself a chance to secure a 2 or 3 year deal and much better money.
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Post by Buckets on Jul 8, 2017 20:25:09 GMT -5
With a good season, say 10 pts and 5 boards a game, Jeff gives himself a chance to secure a 2 or 3 year deal and much better money. Except that was the idea behind signing for 1 year / $15M with the Magic last year, then he turned in statistically one of the worst seasons in the NBA last year and ended up signing for the vet minimum this year. If he wants one last chance to chase a ring as a rotation player, then that's great. But Green's a 30 year old on the decline who never lived up to his potential.
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Post by jorand on Jul 8, 2017 21:11:51 GMT -5
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seaweed
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Post by seaweed on Jul 8, 2017 21:30:32 GMT -5
So Otto is 10X the asset that Jeff is?
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Post by prhoya on Jul 8, 2017 21:48:29 GMT -5
With a good season, say 10 pts and 5 boards a game, Jeff gives himself a chance to secure a 2 or 3 year deal and much better money. Except that was the idea behind signing for 1 year / $15M with the Magic last year, then he turned in statistically one of the worst seasons in the NBA last year and ended up signing for the vet minimum this year. If he wants one last chance to chase a ring as a rotation player, then that's great. But Green's a 30 year old on the decline who never lived up to his potential. Nah, I'm going with Jeff is not a leader, Orlando sucked, he'll be a lot better surrounded by 3 great players and he'll secure a multi-yr deal after helping the Cavs to a championship, becoming the first Hoya to win the NBA championship since... Jaren?
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Hoyas4Ever
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Jul 9, 2017 0:11:49 GMT -5
With a good season, say 10 pts and 5 boards a game, Jeff gives himself a chance to secure a 2 or 3 year deal and much better money. Except that was the idea behind signing for 1 year / $15M with the Magic last year, then he turned in statistically one of the worst seasons in the NBA last year and ended up signing for the vet minimum this year. If he wants one last chance to chase a ring as a rotation player, then that's great. But Green's a 30 year old on the decline who never lived up to his potential. I live in central Florida and had season ticket last year for the Magic because JG signed. He injured his back in a home game in late November and was never the same the rest of the season. He would wear a heating pack on his back every game when he was on the bench. Some games he couldn't even sit on the bench, he would be off the bench laying down or in the corner trying to stretch. By March his back was so bad he had been zapped of all his mobility and athleticism. He couldn't even get off the floor when trying to finish near the rim. He missed only a few games until the Magic finally shut him down for the season in late March. Also Vogel maybe the worst offensive coach and roster management/usage in the NBA. Have no idea why the Magic hired Vogel. Between Vogel's incompetence and Green's back injury, I don't hold last season stats completely against him. Because of Vogel's complete incompetence I feared JG would have a tough season. The back injury just made it worse. The real issue for Green is that as veteran, once you take a major pay cut to play for mid level exception or veteran minimum it's very difficult to shake that label and earn a major raise. Teams around the league see you as a player willing to take less. That label is very hard to shake. I have no idea what Green's options were. I know that he was reportedly in talks with the Heat for the MLE and some talks about returning to OKC once they didn't get Rudy Gay. I don't see the opportunity for Green in Cleveland being the type that gets him a decent pay day afterwards. If he has a good season, the media will paint as James "greatness" resurrected his Green's career.
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seaweed
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Post by seaweed on Jul 9, 2017 6:59:36 GMT -5
LJ got 17 minutes, 4-9, got a block and a board. That kind of result should keep him on the court.
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Post by DanMcQ on Jul 9, 2017 10:13:27 GMT -5
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Post by emkmd on Jul 9, 2017 12:57:26 GMT -5
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Post by HoyaChris on Jul 10, 2017 15:38:29 GMT -5
Except that was the idea behind signing for 1 year / $15M with the Magic last year, then he turned in statistically one of the worst seasons in the NBA last year and ended up signing for the vet minimum this year. If he wants one last chance to chase a ring as a rotation player, then that's great. But Green's a 30 year old on the decline who never lived up to his potential. Nah, I'm going with Jeff is not a leader, Orlando sucked, he'll be a lot better surrounded by 3 great players and he'll secure a multi-yr deal after helping the Cavs to a championship, becoming the first Hoya to win the NBA championship since... Jaren? Zo got a championship with the Heat.
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Post by DanMcQ on Jul 10, 2017 18:44:29 GMT -5
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Post by beenaround on Jul 10, 2017 22:50:45 GMT -5
Wall is a classless idiot.
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Post by nychoya3 on Jul 11, 2017 5:19:05 GMT -5
Wall is a classless idiot. Colin Cowherd, welcome to the board. Wall is a great dude, and everything he said is accurate.
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beenaround
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Post by beenaround on Jul 11, 2017 9:23:48 GMT -5
Wall is a classless idiot. Colin Cowherd, welcome to the board. Wall is a great dude, and everything he said is accurate. Hope you are kidding. He had no need to call out Otto at any time, when praising Paul George. He is so sensitive to anything and everything and responds constantly on social media to any criticism. Meanwhile, you never hear anything from Otto. And btw, I know an Asst coach on the Wiz, and by coincidence, a gentleman who provides a regular service to Mr Wall at his home. Neither would classify him as a great dude or a smart guy. Now..great point guard...of course. Anyway..this board is not for personal attacks, and I apologize for that..but really feel he has been throwing shade on Otto, and is unhappy with his big contract.
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