tashoya
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Post by tashoya on Jul 5, 2017 21:47:15 GMT -5
Good for Otto! Right place, right time, right sport.
The comparison to the other sports is silly. No one watches hockey and Strasburg could blow out his shoulder and get every dime of his 7 year contract. As it is, he makes north of $500k per start and has a rolling opt-out so he can go for more money if he's healthy and successful in 3 years. Football salaries deserve their own discussion and shouldn't be compared to any other sport as those contracts, in some cases, are straight up abusive to the players. How those guys don't get the guaranteed money that their counterparts in other sports get is egregious considering what they put their bodies through, the amount of money the NFL makes, the health problems post-playing career and the history of the NFL ignoring CTE for so many years at the expense of lives of men that built the gravy train.
If Ovechkin or Stras were as good at basketball as they are at their sports, they'd dwarf Otto's salary.
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Post by bicentennial on Jul 5, 2017 21:55:09 GMT -5
What amazes me in all this reporting is that no one remembers that the reason the NBA players are making these great salaries is the players union negotiations led by Patrick Ewing! Everyone of this generations millionaires has Patrick Ewing to thank and yet even loyal hoya fans aren't booed off Hoya Talk when they question PE's backetball management skills!
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Post by SSHoya on Jul 6, 2017 5:25:02 GMT -5
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Post by DFW HOYA on Jul 6, 2017 8:44:44 GMT -5
What amazes me in all this reporting is that no one remembers that the reason the NBA players are making these great salaries is the players union negotiations led by Patrick Ewing! Everyone of this generations millionaires has Patrick Ewing to thank and yet even loyal hoya fans aren't booed off Hoya Talk when they question PE's backetball management skills! Ewing was president of the NBAPA from 1997 to 2001, which is history to today's athletes. The current collective bargaining agreement dates to 2011.
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on Jul 6, 2017 10:35:20 GMT -5
Don't go there Grahmmy, the writer wasn't saying that at all.. Then if he wasn't, I will take it back. I will do a reread. Thanks for the rebuke. Did go back and reread the article. My apologies to the board. I simply did not do a close read of the article.
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Post by Lethal_Interjection on Jul 6, 2017 19:13:49 GMT -5
A complicated/calculated move by the Nets, in trying to obtain Otto Porter for his services.
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Post by Lethal_Interjection on Jul 6, 2017 19:14:57 GMT -5
Sorry I forgot to add this before.
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Post by Lethal_Interjection on Jul 6, 2017 19:20:56 GMT -5
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Post by HometownHoya on Jul 6, 2017 19:31:05 GMT -5
Get paid Otto!!
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Post by tashoya on Jul 6, 2017 19:48:57 GMT -5
Then if he wasn't, I will take it back. I will do a reread. Thanks for the rebuke. Did go back and reread the article. My apologies to the board. I simply did not do a close read of the article. No harm, no foul. After reading what you posted, the difference in the percentage of African American players in MLB today in comparison to, say, 25 years ago really stood out to me which lead me to this: sabr.org/bioproj/topic/baseball-demographics-1947-2012No conclusions are really offered but the numbers themselves are an interesting starting point.
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Post by Lethal_Interjection on Jul 6, 2017 20:08:52 GMT -5
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Post by professorhoya on Jul 6, 2017 21:49:27 GMT -5
I said it when he first stepped on the floor here as a freshman that he was Otto Pippen. Scottie Pippen was a complementary standout and did pretty well for himself.
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Post by Lethal_Interjection on Jul 7, 2017 8:51:46 GMT -5
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Post by iowa80 on Jul 7, 2017 9:57:18 GMT -5
Thanks for this. It's a pretty complete look at the ramifications of signing Otto, unlike some things that I've read. I'm glad to see him get paid, but I'm not convinced it gets the Wiz another rung up the ladder.
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on Jul 7, 2017 11:21:52 GMT -5
Did go back and reread the article. My apologies to the board. I simply did not do a close read of the article. No harm, no foul. After reading what you posted, the difference in the percentage of African American players in MLB today in comparison to, say, 25 years ago really stood out to me which lead me to this: sabr.org/bioproj/topic/baseball-demographics-1947-2012No conclusions are really offered but the numbers themselves are an interesting starting point. I think that more African American athletes are not as enamored with baseball as they were 20-30 years ago. Also, I can tell you, Latin American and Caribbean athletes view the MLB as a much hotter ticket. But even there, many are opting for the NBA. I almost feel that the MLB needs to develop a more aggressive strategy to lure black players to the MLB. the attempts at diversity would be good for the game, not that they are totally lacking in diversity now.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Jul 7, 2017 15:36:58 GMT -5
Competitive youth baseball is expensive. My son plays on an ultra-competitive 12-U travel team that plays tournaments throughout the year. The black and Hispanic kids in my neighborhood can't afford to play. It's sad, but soccer and basketball are more accessible.
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Post by professorhoya on Jul 7, 2017 16:04:14 GMT -5
Competitive youth baseball is expensive. My son plays on an ultra-competitive 12-U travel team that plays tournaments throughout the year. The black and Hispanic kids in my neighborhood can't afford to play. It's sad, but soccer and basketball are more accessible. US soccer also has that problem. Once it get to competitive travel the poorer kids (Latinos) usually can't afford it. Which is a shame since Latino's are really into soccer and that's where the biggest US talent pool is. So even if you have a higher skill level as a child if you miss out on the travel teams you miss out on the higher competition, better coaches and better training and you will never develop to that level. It obviously hurts US soccer alot more than baseball since we're still trying to catch up to the elite nations.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Jul 7, 2017 17:12:23 GMT -5
That's exactly right. The best soccer kids play for travel teams. The best travel kids try to make an area FC. We have two in my area, one is the Red Bulls organization. You are not going to get a serious look from a college coach if you don't belong to a competitive FC. These FCs are for profit and have limited scholarship money available. They are well organized, have the best training and are the most competitive.
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Post by DanMcQ on Jul 7, 2017 19:33:35 GMT -5
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Post by beenaround on Jul 7, 2017 22:56:05 GMT -5
Next in line, Mr Hibbert? Will he be signed at all?
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