SFHoya99
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Post by SFHoya99 on Nov 4, 2016 1:43:28 GMT -5
The NBA is great now and it is honestly only getting better. Tons of interesting talent, generally wide open play.
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SaxaCD
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Post by SaxaCD on Nov 4, 2016 3:23:56 GMT -5
I personally think the NBA product today is the best it has been in a while. A lot of great, young talent in the game. The talent is phenomenal. It's the style that's atrocious. It's got a very "participation trophy" vibe to it. The toughness is gone. There has to be a happy medium between the old school and what's happening now. Agree 100%, tas, although I do think it's better than it was a few years ago. Middle ground would make it much more fun to watch, for me.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Nov 4, 2016 9:21:29 GMT -5
There are a ton of factors out there and I can't really say one way or the other whether college basketball overall has gotten better or worse. It's certainly changed. I do think one big factor when comparing 1980s/1990s college basketball to today is the one-and-done element. For sure, the quality of the best players was better in the 1980s/1990s because fewer guys left college early to go to the NBA. That's something that just isn't going to change, though.
As far as balance, I do think there is an imbalance at both the college and NBA level with regard to three point shots. The line in college should be moved back again. There are too many guys who average 40%+ (unfortunately, Georgetown hasn't had many of them in the last few years), and it basically puts a huge premium on threes.
But, the trend is toward more three point shooting and that won't stop. My friend who is a referee for high school sees virtually all players (including bigs) taking threes. It's a trend that will only grow because of players like Curry, though I think that you could regain some balance by moving the line back.
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95hoya
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Post by 95hoya on Nov 4, 2016 10:26:51 GMT -5
I'm a bigger college basketball fan for sure but I find it off for anyone to call the NBA unwatchable and yet give college ball a pass. College basketball has fallen so far from the 90s and early 2000s that is tragic. Nonetheless this type of mentality that college hoops is so superior is one I have come across frequently on college message boards and I find it maddening. College hoops is frankly a more terrible product which is kept afloat during its regular season mostly through hyping Duke-UNC games and one-and-done players. The players in college getting all of the media attention can't match the great college basketball players that have come before; meanwhile the NBA puts on the court to this day players who can favorably be compared to greats of former eras. Claiming the NBA is "unwatchable" is just a passed-along talking point by people who almost never watch NBA games in the first place but nonetheless are comfortable in their certainty that the product is awful. But these folks are the same types who keep watching regular season NFL games even though the quality of play in the sport has gotten worse for nearly two decades. Those that dismiss the NBA regular season as too long are some of the same who can't get enough of the never-ending regular season of baseball or even hockey. The criticism is hypocritical and inconsistent. I've been saying for years that the bashing of the NBA is almost political in its nature. There is a large segment of our society conditioned or pretty much predetermined to have a peculiar dislike for the league regardless of whether they actually tune in to catch a game. Do I think the NBA is perfect? No. I think it was probably a better sport in the 1980s....just like the NFL....although maybe that's just's my nostalgia for my childhood coming through. Personally I can't stand the emphasis of three-point shooting and the devaluing of post play. However let's face it the importance of properly coaching big men has dropped off at all levels of basketball for a couple of decades now. Honestly I don't watch many regular season games anymore but I watch far less games of every sport these days, including college hoops. That being said the league is still providing us great players, great storylines and yes even great regular season games. To be blunt I don't even see how Hoya fans, who have to watch some of the most uninspiring basketball on the planet as of late, can sit back and take shots at the NBA. Even when III had the Hoya program rolling most folks (even college basketball junkies) did not find the slow-down Princeton style exciting to watch. Hoya games don't even have an advantage of trumpeting regular NBA season contests with superior college gameday atmosphere. There is more buzz at the Verizon center for an awful Wizards vs Nets matchup than virtually any home Georgetown game. If I wasn't so passionate about the Hoyas I would ignore them like the rest of the country does. Well said. My sentiments exactly.
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nychoya3
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Post by nychoya3 on Nov 4, 2016 10:27:11 GMT -5
I think they should move the line back in college, less so guys make less threes and more because it will open up space for more drives and post play. Right now with the line so close in, defenses can be so packed in. Think it's part of why you see so many charging fouls in college is that there's just not a lot of room to operate a lot of the time.
Anyway, I really have a hard time seeing how basketball fans wouldn't love the NBA right now. The talent and level of play is outrageous. My only complaint is that I think there are two or maybe three teams with a plausible chance to win the championship, and I don't see a lot of potential for that to change in the next couple years. But other than that, the NBA is as good as it's ever been.
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Post by hoyainspirit on Nov 4, 2016 10:40:07 GMT -5
I don't want to hear it. Y'all could be a Pelicans fan, like me. Go Otto! At least you have a top-5 player that, in theory, a championship team could be based upon. And he's great to watch. Fan experience at the games is top notch. Too bad we have the New Orleans equivalent of Ernie Grunfeld attempting to assemble the talent around Davis, plus we've had a ton of injuries.
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Post by seaweed on Nov 4, 2016 11:30:54 GMT -5
I think they should move the line back in college, less so guys make less threes and more because it will open up space for more drives and post play. Right now with the line so close in, defenses can be so packed in. Think it's part of why you see so many charging fouls in college is that there's just not a lot of room to operate a lot of the time. Defenses will still pack in unless teams are loaded with guys who can hit from expanded range, which is tough for college teams. Expanding the restricted area on the other hand, I don't know?
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Nov 4, 2016 12:33:55 GMT -5
My only complaint is that I think there are two or maybe three teams with a plausible chance to win the championship, and I don't see a lot of potential for that to change in the next couple years. But other than that, the NBA is as good as it's ever been. You're right. Of course, this imbalance is caused by the NBA salary caps. By preventing players like Lebron, Durant, Curry, etc. from being paid anything close to market value, they artificially keep salaries down and allow superstars to aggregate onto the same teams. If a team had to pay $40 million or $50 million for Lebron James, teams like the Warriors or early 2010s Heat wouldn't be possible.
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Post by zxhoya on Nov 4, 2016 15:38:43 GMT -5
I don't want to hear it. Y'all could be a Pelicans fan, like me. Go Otto! They should have never fired Monte Williams, he did such an excellent job with less and as soon as they start getting a rhythm with A. Davis they fire the man. Alvin Gentry was an assistant coach with Golden State and ownership got excited about that style but didn't realize that you need Steph and Clay for that to work.
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Post by hoyainspirit on Nov 5, 2016 6:41:24 GMT -5
I don't want to hear it. Y'all could be a Pelicans fan, like me. Go Otto! They should have never fired Monte Williams, he did such an excellent job with less and as soon as they start getting a rhythm with A. Davis they fire the man. Alvin Gentry was an assistant coach with Golden State and ownership got excited about that style but didn't realize that you need Steph and Clay for that to work. I was a Monte fan as well. Gentry gets a pass for last year. I have little to no confidence in Demps/Loomis running the franchise.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Nov 6, 2016 10:33:43 GMT -5
Jeff with a strong 18 off the bench to lead the Magic in a close win over Wizards. Otto with 10 and 13 in the loss.
Still hoping Jeff becomes a consistent double figure guy again.
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Post by Filo on Nov 6, 2016 21:20:46 GMT -5
At what point does Green become a journeyman? He's up to five teams. Maybe he breaks from that this year? If not, then journeyman, indeed On another note - anyone have insight as to what is going on with Greg? Thought he had such a promising career but he is now only getting limited minutes, for the most part. Bummer.
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Post by nychoya3 on Nov 6, 2016 23:20:23 GMT -5
Bucks have been trying to deal Greg since last year and failing to get an offer they like. He doesn't fit great with their starting lineup because he needs post touches and he doesn't protect the rim. That said he is killing second units this year in the time he's getting. He's s very good player, but his skill set as a center who doesn't stretch the floor and who doesn't defend the rim is one that is out of fashion in the NBA.
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Post by dense on Nov 7, 2016 6:53:46 GMT -5
At what point does Green become a journeyman? He's up to five teams. he signed a one year deal which was smart $ wise, but probably will end up on another team next year.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2016 7:08:56 GMT -5
At what point does Green become a journeyman? He's up to five teams. Fan of Jeff but would think at this point (age 30) it's all about trying to position himself for a nice 4-5 year contract next year when the big money hits, ideally balancing that with a team that could make a playoff run or two during that time. I know everyone wants to be a star but in the scheme of life, $100mm in earnings (which Jeff should hit) over a 10-15 year NBA career is nothing to sneeze at. He's a good lesson for guys with "tantalizing athleticism" only to add "good teammate/locker room guy" to their resume. Amazing how far that can go with teams.
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Post by jester on Nov 7, 2016 11:36:22 GMT -5
At what point does Green become a journeyman? He's up to five teams. Maybe he breaks from that this year? If not, then journeyman, indeed On another note - anyone have insight as to what is going on with Greg? Thought he had such a promising career but he is now only getting limited minutes, for the most part. Bummer. Greg is not having a bad year (or career). He currently is killing units off bench, and has the 20th best Adanced Player Efficiency rating in the entire league of 300 players. He's not a 35 min a game guy, but he's being effective, even if not the prototypical center or modern day "shooting" power forward.
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Post by trillesthoya on Nov 7, 2016 21:28:15 GMT -5
Otto had 20 points, 8 rebounds, 3 steals, 2 assists and a block in a loss against the Rockets. The wizards are a dumpster fire so far to start the year, but Otto seems to be putting some things together. That's his fifth game of six he has scored in double figures (the other game he had 8 so it was close), and his rebounding is looking very solid. I really hope Brooks starts to plan the offense a bit more around Otto if Beal's struggles continue.
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Post by MCIGuy on Nov 8, 2016 3:08:51 GMT -5
Bucks have been trying to deal Greg since last year and failing to get an offer they like. He doesn't fit great with their starting lineup because he needs post touches and he doesn't protect the rim. That said he is killing second units this year in the time he's getting. He's s very good player, but his skill set as a center who doesn't stretch the floor and who doesn't defend the rim is one that is out of fashion in the NBA. Pretty much this. In another era Greg would be an All-Star but in 2016 his play, while still valuable, isn't seen as ideal. He doesn't play very good D and he doesn't stretch the floor with long-range jumpshots. Then again one could describe Kevin McHale in the same manner but McHale played in the 80s. Of course the Bucks do start Miles Plumlee over Monroe and Plumlee isn't all that good yet managed to sign a $12 million a year contract.
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Post by zxhoya on Nov 8, 2016 13:25:42 GMT -5
Otto had 20 points, 8 rebounds, 3 steals, 2 assists and a block in a loss against the Rockets. The wizards are a dumpster fire so far to start the year, but Otto seems to be putting some things together. That's his fifth game of six he has scored in double figures (the other game he had 8 so it was close), and his rebounding is looking very solid. I really hope Brooks starts to plan the offense a bit more around Otto if Beal's struggles continue. Agree with everything but don't know if Otto is ready for the offense to be scripted for him. He's doing a great job as usual, moving without the ball and attacking the Offensive glass getting scrappy buckets. I want him to be more aggressive off the dribble, I think he's capable. Otto has been the most consistent player on the team by far and his game is continuing to grow.
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Post by 95hoya on Nov 8, 2016 14:29:19 GMT -5
Otto is not a guy you run offense through. He plays off of others. Does well at finding gaps to attack and cutting for cheap buckets. He does not create offense for himself or others.
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