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Post by kchoya on Nov 2, 2016 20:08:33 GMT -5
Hollis is often more useful - for far fewer $$$ - than the hyped first round picks the 76er's have on the roster. Hope he can become more consistent and earn the attention of a better franchise. If he keeps putting together nights like last night, pretty sure the attention will be inevitable, but for now, there is still work to be done. Honest question: what work remains to be done? Hollis has been in the league long enough, and has a consistent enough record of performance, that I think he is what he is (which I think is a nice NBA player).
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Post by seaweed on Nov 2, 2016 21:05:33 GMT -5
If he keeps putting together nights like last night, pretty sure the attention will be inevitable, but for now, there is still work to be done. Honest question: what work remains to be done? Hollis has been in the league long enough, and has a consistent enough record of performance, that I think he is what he is (which I think is a nice NBA player). Getting out of Philly
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Post by kchoya on Nov 3, 2016 1:28:56 GMT -5
Honest question: what work remains to be done? Hollis has been in the league long enough, and has a consistent enough record of performance, that I think he is what he is (which I think is a nice NBA player). Getting out of Philly Ha! True.
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Post by jorand on Nov 3, 2016 8:31:28 GMT -5
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Post by nychoya3 on Nov 3, 2016 8:54:22 GMT -5
Otto is going to get a huge deal ($20 million a season), and he should. He'll probably end up sticking in Washington, but I wish he went somewhere else. Don't see any kind of positive direction or vision for how Washington can compete for something more than a 7 or 8 seed anytime soon. Beal is regressing, and as great as Wall is at a lot of things he isn't a guy who scares the top tier teams. He can be defended. After that, they have some guys who are okay, but they're back in purgatory as a team that can win 40 games and maybe sneak into the playoffs but won't get a high lottery pick.
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Post by zxhoya on Nov 3, 2016 12:21:53 GMT -5
Otto is going to get a huge deal ($20 million a season), and he should. He'll probably end up sticking in Washington, but I wish he went somewhere else. Don't see any kind of positive direction or vision for how Washington can compete for something more than a 7 or 8 seed anytime soon. Beal is regressing, and as great as Wall is at a lot of things he isn't a guy who scares the top tier teams. He can be defended. After that, they have some guys who are okay, but they're back in purgatory as a team that can win 40 games and maybe sneak into the playoffs but won't get a high lottery pick. As a Wizards fan, I can't disagree with you as far as Otto going somewhere else to better his career but I love Otto and begrudgingly, I love the Wizards so I love Otto being a Wizard. John Wall is a good player but he is not a good defender. As long as Ernie Grundfeld is the GM of the Wizards, the Wizards will not be successful.
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Post by kchoya on Nov 3, 2016 12:29:35 GMT -5
Otto is going to get a huge deal ($20 million a season), and he should. He'll probably end up sticking in Washington, but I wish he went somewhere else. Don't see any kind of positive direction or vision for how Washington can compete for something more than a 7 or 8 seed anytime soon. Beal is regressing, and as great as Wall is at a lot of things he isn't a guy who scares the top tier teams. He can be defended. After that, they have some guys who are okay, but they're back in purgatory as a team that can win 40 games and maybe sneak into the playoffs but won't get a high lottery pick. As a Wizards fan, I can't disagree with you as far as Otto going somewhere else to better his career but I love Otto and begrudgingly, I love the Wizards so I love Otto being a Wizard. John Wall is a good player but he is not a good defender. As long as Ernie Grundfeld is the GM of the Wizards, the Wizards will not be successful. Hey! You gotta give Ernie some time to put things in place. He's only been on the job for how many years?
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Post by dungeon ball on Nov 3, 2016 13:07:58 GMT -5
As a Wizards fan, I can't disagree with you as far as Otto going somewhere else to better his career but I love Otto and begrudgingly, I love the Wizards so I love Otto being a Wizard. John Wall is a good player but he is not a good defender. As long as Ernie Grundfeld is the GM of the Wizards, the Wizards will not be successful. Hey! You gotta give Ernie some time to put things in place. He's only been on the job for how many years? Their bench seems especially doo doo. A collection of "hmmm.... really?"
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Post by hoyainspirit on Nov 3, 2016 14:05:14 GMT -5
I don't want to hear it. Y'all could be a Pelicans fan, like me. Go Otto!
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Post by kchoya on Nov 3, 2016 16:57:46 GMT -5
I don't want to hear it. Y'all could be a Pelicans fan, like me. Go Otto! At least you have a top-5 player that, in theory, a championship team could be based upon.
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Post by zxhoya on Nov 3, 2016 21:20:59 GMT -5
As a Wizards fan, I can't disagree with you as far as Otto going somewhere else to better his career but I love Otto and begrudgingly, I love the Wizards so I love Otto being a Wizard. John Wall is a good player but he is not a good defender. As long as Ernie Grundfeld is the GM of the Wizards, the Wizards will not be successful. Hey! You gotta give Ernie some time to put things in place. He's only been on the job for how many years? 13 long years and counting.
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Post by tashoya on Nov 3, 2016 21:38:46 GMT -5
I don't want to hear it. Y'all could be a Pelicans fan, like me. Go Otto! At least you have a top-5 player that, in theory, a championship team could be based upon. I'm envious. I'm a Knicks fan. I'm supposed to root for Melo, Rose, Noah, etc., etc. If they set up a draft of current players I couldn't hate more if I tried, they couldn't have assembled a more perfect version of Hell than the current Knicks roster. It's like being forced to root for Syracuse. And they suck to boot.
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Post by eagle54 on Nov 3, 2016 21:51:29 GMT -5
At least you have a top-5 player that, in theory, a championship team could be based upon. I'm envious. I'm a Knicks fan. I'm supposed to root for Melo, Rose, Noah, etc., etc. If they set up a draft of current players I couldn't hate more if I tried, they couldn't have assembled a more perfect version of Hell than the current Knicks roster. It's like being forced to root for Syracuse. And they suck to boot. The NBA is unwatchable in the regular season. It's ok in the playoffs when it get late and that's about it.
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Post by tashoya on Nov 3, 2016 23:01:40 GMT -5
I'm envious. I'm a Knicks fan. I'm supposed to root for Melo, Rose, Noah, etc., etc. If they set up a draft of current players I couldn't hate more if I tried, they couldn't have assembled a more perfect version of Hell than the current Knicks roster. It's like being forced to root for Syracuse. And they suck to boot. The NBA is unwatchable in the regular season. It's ok in the playoffs when it get late and that's about it. Fair point. I've watched fewer and fewer games over the years. The mid/late nineties Knicks were great to watch. That's pretty much the high point of my Knick fandom. Over the past decade, there are a handful of players and teams I've enjoyed watching but not in the way that I did as a kid. The Knicks are painful to watch whether it's the regular season or not. And the players are easy to hate. Especially for a Georgetown guy.
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Post by eagle54 on Nov 3, 2016 23:07:26 GMT -5
The NBA is unwatchable in the regular season. It's ok in the playoffs when it get late and that's ab out it. Fair point. I've watched fewer and fewer games over the years. The mid/late nineties Knicks were great to watch. That's pretty much the high point of my Knick fandom. Over the past decade, there are a handful of players and teams I've enjoyed watching but not in the way that I did as a kid. The Knicks are painful to watch whether it's the regular season or not. And the players are easy to hate. Especially for a Georgetown guy. NBA unwatchable but as much as college basketball has been diluted it's still the game to watch. I think we are in agreement on that.
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Post by tashoya on Nov 3, 2016 23:20:51 GMT -5
Fair point. I've watched fewer and fewer games over the years. The mid/late nineties Knicks were great to watch. That's pretty much the high point of my Knick fandom. Over the past decade, there are a handful of players and teams I've enjoyed watching but not in the way that I did as a kid. The Knicks are painful to watch whether it's the regular season or not. And the players are easy to hate. Especially for a Georgetown guy. NBA unwatchable but as much as college basketball has been diluted it's still the game to watch. I think we are in agreement on that. Definitely true for me.
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Post by deacon on Nov 3, 2016 23:34:27 GMT -5
I personally think the NBA product today is the best it has been in a while.
A lot of great, young talent in the game.
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Post by tashoya on Nov 3, 2016 23:45:39 GMT -5
I personally think the NBA product today is the best it has been in a while. A lot of great, young talent in the game. The talent is phenomenal. It's the style that's atrocious. It's got a very "participation trophy" vibe to it. The toughness is gone. There has to be a happy medium between the old school and what's happening now.
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Post by 95hoya on Nov 4, 2016 0:05:41 GMT -5
The NBA product is better than college. The style of play is so much more advanced. The problem is the length of the season and the number of teams that make the playoffs. I have more fun watching the college game and become more attached to my team and certain players. But college players rarely amaze me. There aren't any must see players.
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Post by MCIGuy on Nov 4, 2016 0:53:40 GMT -5
I'm a bigger college basketball fan for sure but I find it off for anyone to call the NBA unwatchable and yet give college ball a pass. College basketball has fallen so far from the 90s and early 2000s that is tragic. Nonetheless this type of mentality that college hoops is so superior is one I have come across frequently on college message boards and I find it maddening. College hoops is frankly a more terrible product which is kept afloat during its regular season mostly through hyping Duke-UNC games and one-and-done players. The players in college getting all of the media attention can't match the great college basketball players that have come before; meanwhile the NBA puts on the court to this day players who can favorably be compared to greats of former eras. Claiming the NBA is "unwatchable" is just a passed-along talking point by people who almost never watch NBA games in the first place but nonetheless are comfortable in their certainty that the product is awful. But these folks are the same types who keep watching regular season NFL games even though the quality of play in the sport has gotten worse for nearly two decades. Those that dismiss the NBA regular season as too long are some of the same who can't get enough of the never-ending regular season of baseball or even hockey. The criticism is hypocritical and inconsistent. I've been saying for years that the bashing of the NBA is almost political in its nature. There is a large segment of our society conditioned or pretty much predetermined to have a peculiar dislike for the league regardless of whether they actually tune in to catch a game.
Do I think the NBA is perfect? No. I think it was probably a better sport in the 1980s....just like the NFL....although maybe that's just's my nostalgia for my childhood coming through. Personally I can't stand the emphasis of three-point shooting and the devaluing of post play. However let's face it the importance of properly coaching big men has dropped off at all levels of basketball for a couple of decades now. Honestly I don't watch many regular season games anymore but I watch far less games of every sport these days, including college hoops. That being said the league is still providing us great players, great storylines and yes even great regular season games. To be blunt I don't even see how Hoya fans, who have to watch some of the most uninspiring basketball on the planet as of late, can sit back and take shots at the NBA. Even when III had the Hoya program rolling most folks (even college basketball junkies) did not find the slow-down Princeton style exciting to watch. Hoya games don't even have an advantage of trumpeting regular NBA season contests with superior college gameday atmosphere. There is more buzz at the Verizon center for an awful Wizards vs Nets matchup than virtually any home Georgetown game. If I wasn't so passionate about the Hoyas I would ignore them like the rest of the country does.
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