KirbyKeger
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Post by KirbyKeger on Nov 27, 2011 20:35:48 GMT -5
I think Boeheim is cooked as well. To say what he did about the accusers, especially in the midst of all that was going on at Penn St, was downright stupid and inexcusable. It was absolutely enough to cost him his job. Period.
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Post by LizziebethHoya on Nov 27, 2011 20:52:57 GMT -5
Boeheim statement Comment as you wish...
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Nov 27, 2011 21:00:16 GMT -5
Pretty good statement by Boehiem. We'll see if it gets him off the hook, but that's about the best thing he could have said at this point.
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theexorcist
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Post by theexorcist on Nov 27, 2011 21:05:28 GMT -5
"I am personally very shocked because I have never witnessed any of the activities that have been alleged."
So he only would have gone against Bernie Fine if he *saw* him?
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Post by LizziebethHoya on Nov 27, 2011 21:15:29 GMT -5
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TBird41
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Post by TBird41 on Nov 27, 2011 21:18:05 GMT -5
He urges support for anyone cing forward with info? What a jackass. He should be fired for the hypocrisy alone
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Post by The Stig on Nov 27, 2011 21:45:21 GMT -5
I think Syracuse is going about this correctly tonight. Unfortunately, that merely highlights how badly they've misstepped before tonight.
There's still a lot that doesn't line up in this case though, going beyond the claims of whether Boeheim saw something suspicious. The Syracuse chancellor says they didn't have the tape in 2005. Why didn't Davis provide it? Also, any competent police force would have talked to Fine's wife regardless of the tape. If they did, that means she lied, either on the tape or to the police. Either that, or Syracuse's "no corroborating evidence" claim is a lie.
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KirbyKeger
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Post by KirbyKeger on Nov 27, 2011 21:50:25 GMT -5
This is all just the tip of the iceberg in my opinion. Look for a lot to emerge over the next week. As we saw in the Penn State case, the slope can become very slippery very quickly.
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TC
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Post by TC on Nov 27, 2011 21:53:15 GMT -5
Pretty good statement by Boehiem. We'll see if it gets him off the hook, but that's about the best thing he could have said at this point. No, he went out of his way to spout off personally on this. The fact that he couldn't comment and had to hide behind a PR statement that he didn't write is pathetic. Whether the PR statement is the right thing or not is immaterial - he went out of his way to stomp on the victims, he could at least have the guts to mea culpa in person.
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Nov 27, 2011 22:03:38 GMT -5
There may be dynamics from the top of the University on that, TC. Note who fired Fine - Nancy Cantor. She and counsel for Syracuse may have told him to keep his mouth shut and allow the University to make any formal, in person press statements as it deems necessary.
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Post by Filo on Nov 27, 2011 22:05:01 GMT -5
Pretty good statement by Boehiem. We'll see if it gets him off the hook, but that's about the best thing he could have said at this point. No, he went out of his way to spout off personally on this. The fact that he couldn't comment and had to hide behind a PR statement that he didn't write is pathetic. Whether the PR statement is the right thing or not is immaterial - he went out of his way to stomp on the victims, he could at least have the guts to mea culpa in person. Yep, exactly. Still mind-boggling that he made that initial statement. It's a shame he didn't have anywhere to go for advice before he did that. You know, somewhere like the SI Newhouse School of Public Communications.
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TC
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Post by TC on Nov 27, 2011 22:08:48 GMT -5
There may be dynamics from the top of the University on that, TC. Note who fired Fine - Nancy Cantor. She and counsel for Syracuse may have told him to keep his mouth shut and allow the University to make any formal, in person press statements as it deems necessary. I don't give him any slack for that. It's not like he listened to them when he made his public statements against the victims.
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Post by chep3 on Nov 27, 2011 22:11:31 GMT -5
I'll cop to a bit of schadenfreude in this whole story, which disappoints me a bit about myself. But I guess it's motivated not by a sense of, hopefully bad things happen to Syracuse, but more that hopefully the culture of cover ups and of sweeping crimes under the rug may dissipate from college sports to some extent (and I concede how naive that may be). We've seen Syracuse do this before, most notably with overturning Devendorf's expulsion. I think it will become clear over the course of this story that, leaving aside what Boeheim may have known, the Syracuse PD took minimal efforts to investigate the victim's initial claims because it knows what side it's bread is buttered on in that town. But this happens all the time across big college sports, see for example Jordan Jefferson at LSU breaking some guy's back in a bar fight and getting no punishment out of it. And hopefully, seeing quite possibly the worst thing that could possibly happen happen on two separate campuses where the authorities knew to protect their athletes/coaches from all scrutiny, will change some people's thinking.
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Post by LizziebethHoya on Nov 27, 2011 22:15:56 GMT -5
Boeheim didn't listen to anyone. He said what was on his mind, like he always has done. He got yelled at right after, and has been more cautious since. Same thing happened when Cuse went to the ACC. He first came out against it, and then the next day was on a national radio show reading off of SU's script.
I have to say, however, I've never heard so many SU fans hope that Boeheim keeps his "big yapper" shut
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TC
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Post by TC on Nov 27, 2011 22:18:58 GMT -5
Boeheim didn't listen to anyone. He said what was on his mind, like he always has done. He got yelled at right after, and has been more cautious since. Same thing happened when Cuse went to the ACC. He first came out against it, and then the next day was on a national radio show reading off of SU's script.Exactly. And in this instance he hid behind a PR statement written by someone else rather than facing the music but maybe speaking on script.
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Post by LizziebethHoya on Nov 27, 2011 22:30:21 GMT -5
Boeheim's job is now on the line. He knows this. He knows he has to prove that he knew nothing AND there was no way he COULD have known (being oblivious doesn't seem to work as a defense anymore).
This is a big hurdle to jump over and he knows his big yapper isn't going to help him out here. He has to stick to the script of trained professionals.
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Post by LizziebethHoya on Nov 27, 2011 23:15:21 GMT -5
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Post by sleepy on Nov 27, 2011 23:26:08 GMT -5
The thing about cases like these one can never be 100% certain, which is why Boeheim's reaction was so ridiculous in the first place. Personally, I think intimidating possible victims of child molestation from coming forward, which is what his statements effectively did, is a fire-able offense. I think the media and public reaction to all of this will determine whether or not he keeps his job. And this is all assuming he had no idea any of this was going on, which if the allegations are true, seems kind of hard to believe.
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Post by SSHoya on Nov 27, 2011 23:55:38 GMT -5
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Post by professorhoya on Nov 28, 2011 1:30:57 GMT -5
It's amazing that Boeheim and Syracuse are given every benefit of the doubt when Joe Paterno and the Penn State program were immediately destroyed by the media and internet lynch mob. Where's the outrage and indignation at Boeheim and Syracuse? It is not at all on the same level as that that was given to Penn State and Paterno.
Syracuse has one of the top, if not top sports journalism schools in the country. The Syracuse controlled sports media and ESPN (Pro ACC and full of Syracuse grads) are doing everything they can to see that Syracuse survives this while Penn State's program is destroyed.
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