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Post by sead43 on Nov 15, 2011 14:18:31 GMT -5
Does HoyaTalk really not have an Occupy Wall Street thread yet?? Thoughts on the staying power of the movement? Is it going to have an effect on anything? Thoughts on individual cities' handling of the protests? Anyone actually been down to one of the protests? Latest from NYC; police cleared Zuccotti last night: www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45299622/ns/us_news-life/ |
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Post by kchoya on Nov 15, 2011 14:31:11 GMT -5
Does HoyaTalk really not have an Occupy Wall Street thread yet?? Thoughts on the staying power of the movement? Is it going to have an effect on anything? Thoughts on individual cities' handling of the protests? Anyone actually been down to one of the protests? Latest from NYC; police cleared Zuccotti last night: www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45299622/ns/us_news-life/I was waiting for someone from the Democrat Party to start the thread. Maybe we can start a count of how many people have died, been raped, or been assaulted by fellow protesters. I'll start: Deaths: 1 |
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Post by quickplay on Nov 15, 2011 14:44:26 GMT -5
1 person has already have died by fellow protestors???
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Post by strummer8526 on Nov 15, 2011 15:11:04 GMT -5
Maybe we can start a count of how many people have died, been raped, or been assaulted by fellow protesters. Just because we can doesn't mean we should. To answer the original post, protestors in all forms and of all ideologies annoy me. Cops don't need to hit teenage girls with sticks like they did at Berkeley, but I'm fine with clearing the parks. In DC, I heard of a homeless guy who sat across the street from one of the parks with a sign that said "Occupy DC Evicted Me." Don't know if it's true but thought it was clever. |
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Post by vcjack on Nov 15, 2011 15:16:28 GMT -5
History doesn't repeat itself, but it does rhyme.
OWS resembles SDS and lots of the 60's counterculture groups (and I'd say Bloomberg, in many many ways, resembles Nelson Rockefeller). But I don't think this movement can get the same numbers as the flower power groups for four reasons:
1. We are a much older society now, "don't trust anyone over 30" doesn't work when most of the country is over 30. Convincing taxpayers (even if they really don't like Wall Street and K Street) to eat student debt isn't going to work either.
2. Being unemployed, poor, and in debt sucks, but it doesn't have the same urgency as "I might get drafted and die in a faraway jungle."
3. There is a fragility risk that no one, I think, recognizes well: one violent and focused attack on a wealthy banker or politician, no matter if it was done by an insane and unaffiliated person, would irrevocably turn the American people against it. As we saw with Gabby Giffords, the American people do not tolerate anything that has the whiff of political violence and they especially do not tolerate liberal violence.
4. The protest music is not as good. Music is so Balkanized today that you can't possibly have something as important as "the Beatles becoming hippies."
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Post by Boz on Nov 15, 2011 15:18:11 GMT -5
Maybe we can start a count of how many people have died, been raped, or been assaulted by fellow protesters. Just because we can doesn't mean we should. To answer the original post, protestors in all forms and of all ideologies annoy me. Cops don't need to hit teenage girls with sticks like they did at Berkeley, but I'm fine with clearing the parks. In DC, I heard of a homeless guy who sat across the street from one of the parks with a sign that said "Occupy DC Evicted Me." Don't know if it's true but thought it was clever. I'm generally of this opinion, though I do certainly respect everyone's constitutional right to lawful assembly. But there's been a lot of "unlawful" going on here, and if you do that, you're not going to get much sympathy from me when the fuzz come with their mace and billy clubs. I just find it amusing, in retrospect, how "dangerously radical" those Tea Party protests/rallies/members were. Boy, those sure got out of control, didn't they? |
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Post by strummer8526 on Nov 16, 2011 19:49:21 GMT -5
Just because we can doesn't mean we should. To answer the original post, protestors in all forms and of all ideologies annoy me. Cops don't need to hit teenage girls with sticks like they did at Berkeley, but I'm fine with clearing the parks. In DC, I heard of a homeless guy who sat across the street from one of the parks with a sign that said "Occupy DC Evicted Me." Don't know if it's true but thought it was clever. I'm generally of this opinion, though I do certainly respect everyone's constitutional right to lawful assembly. But there's been a lot of "unlawful" going on here, and if you do that, you're not going to get much sympathy from me when the fuzz come with their mace and billy clubs. I just find it amusing, in retrospect, how "dangerously radical" those Tea Party protests/rallies/members were. Boy, those sure got out of control, didn't they? I honestly haven't followed it much. What "unlawfulness" has been going on (other than maybe sleeping in parks in violation of some zoning ordinance or something)? |
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Post by Elvado on Nov 16, 2011 20:32:33 GMT -5
I am a fervent believer in free speech, peaceful assembly and public use of public property. That said,if you inconvenience me on my way to and from court, home or the grocery store, chances are I will be against your cause, whatever it may be.
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Post by Boz on Nov 16, 2011 20:47:46 GMT -5
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Post by AustinHoya03 on Nov 17, 2011 1:28:43 GMT -5
You can rail at the source if you want Isn't that exactly what these blog posts are doing? Don't listen to the protesters' message, 'cause I heard one guy took his junk out at Occupy Whatever! I am SHOCKED, just SHOCKED, to learn that there are vagrants and rapists and lowlifes hanging out in the urban parks of America these days. |
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Post by JB5 on Nov 17, 2011 8:52:28 GMT -5
Just received the following notice at work:
"According to early news reports, the Occupy groups are expected to march to the Key Bridge from both McPherson Square downtown and from Ballston in northern Virginia between 2:30 and 6 pm. As a result traffic on or near the Key Bridge is going to be impacted."
Making people waste additional time in Georgetown traffic may not be the best way to build sympathy for your cause.
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Post by kchoya on Nov 17, 2011 9:51:04 GMT -5
You can rail at the source if you want Isn't that exactly what these blog posts are doing? Don't listen to the protesters' message, 'cause I heard one guy took his junk out at Occupy Whatever! I am SHOCKED, just SHOCKED, to learn that there are vagrants and rapists and lowlifes hanging out in the urban parks of America these days. Yeah, 'cause I read about people camping out and dying in my local park every weekend before the Occupy morons moved in. |
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Post by SDHoya on Nov 17, 2011 12:35:52 GMT -5
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Post by thebin on Nov 17, 2011 14:33:07 GMT -5
Apparently Mother Nature is a 1%er.
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Post by Buckets on Nov 17, 2011 15:30:50 GMT -5
Too bad the scope of the list wasn't expanded to include macing octogenarians. |
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Post by Boz on Nov 17, 2011 16:44:23 GMT -5
You want to associate with people who won't disperse when the police tell you to disperse, again, you're not going to get much sympathy from me when you're in the crowd that they start pepper spraying, whether you are 18 or 84.
Also, was this tactic taken directly from the Hamas playbook, or just loosely inspired by it?
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Post by DFW HOYA on Nov 17, 2011 16:46:48 GMT -5
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Post by CAHoya07 on Nov 17, 2011 17:02:22 GMT -5
I support the Occupy movement in theory, and generally agree with what they stand for, but not quite sure where it's going. It has at least contributed to the national conversation, and taken away some of the spotlight from the Tea Party. But what would make the movement a success? Sweeping legal changes? I'm not sure. I also don't think they're going away anytime soon.
I've passed by Occupy SF and Berkeley, either walking by or on my bike, but it's been in passing so can't really comment on anything going on there.
Here's a question though, in light of the "evictions:" Is homelessness illegal?
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Post by FormerHoya on Nov 17, 2011 17:31:34 GMT -5
I support the Occupy movement in theory, and generally agree with what they stand for, but not quite sure where it's going. Honest question, can you explain what the movement stands for? Near as I can tell it stands for "We think everybody else got theirs, we want ours." |
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Post by quickplay on Nov 17, 2011 19:04:06 GMT -5
I support the Occupy movement in theory, and generally agree with what they stand for, but not quite sure where it's going. Honest question, can you explain what the movement stands for? Near as I can tell it stands for "We think everybody else got theirs, we want ours." Institutionalized corruption. The problem isn't government, the problem isn't corporations; the problem is the revolving door between them. Two-tiered justice system. Anything else? |
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