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Post by kchoya on Nov 17, 2011 19:11:46 GMT -5
Honest question, can you explain what the movement stands for? Near as I can tell it stands for "We think everybody else got theirs, we want ours." Institutionalized corruption. The problem isn't government, the problem isn't corporations; the problem is the revolving door between them. Two-tiered justice system. Anything else? Why would the movement stand for institutionalized corruption? |
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Post by quickplay on Nov 17, 2011 19:19:21 GMT -5
Institutionalized corruption. The problem isn't government, the problem isn't corporations; the problem is the revolving door between them. Two-tiered justice system. Anything else? Why would the movement stand for institutionalized corruption? It's a long term bait and switch protest, very complicated. |
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Post by CAHoya07 on Nov 17, 2011 22:57:16 GMT -5
I support the Occupy movement in theory, and generally agree with what they stand for, but not quite sure where it's going. Honest question, can you explain what the movement stands for? Near as I can tell it stands for "We think everybody else got theirs, we want ours." I would say the movement stands for making the point that our economic system is inherently unfair and needs to be changed. |
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Post by rosslynhoya on Nov 18, 2011 10:59:14 GMT -5
Honest question, can you explain what the movement stands for? Near as I can tell it stands for "We think everybody else got theirs, we want ours." I would say the movement stands for making the point that our economic system is inherently unfair and needs to be changed. "Who's in favor of stuff being better?!?" Me me me me me!!! "Who thinks the government people should do something to make the stuff better?!?" Me me me!!! We ARE the 99%!!!! It's like the Capital One commercial with Jimmy Fallon and the baby. Who doesn't want more money? |
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Post by AustinHoya03 on Nov 18, 2011 11:09:18 GMT -5
I support the Occupy movement in theory, and generally agree with what they stand for, but not quite sure where it's going. Honest question, can you explain what the movement stands for? Near as I can tell it stands for "We think everybody else got theirs, we want ours." |
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Post by AustinHoya03 on Nov 18, 2011 11:12:46 GMT -5
Yeah, 'cause I read about people camping out and dying in my local park every weekend before the Occupy morons moved in. Yes, local papers love to run dog bites man headlines like "Vagrant dies in public," "Weirdo caught with child porn," and "Rape occurs." These stories are only "newsworthy" because they are happening at a protest that has been deemed newsworthy. Last I checked, there was no velvet rope at any of the Occupy events. And it's a continual protest, unlike one-day Tea Party events. Lowlifes have basically been given an open invitation to crash the party. |
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Post by Elvado on Nov 18, 2011 11:40:47 GMT -5
Yeah, 'cause I read about people camping out and dying in my local park every weekend before the Occupy morons moved in. Yes, local papers love to run dog bites man headlines like "Vagrant dies in public," "Weirdo caught with child porn," and "Rape occurs." These stories are only "newsworthy" because they are happening at a protest that has been deemed newsworthy. Last I checked, there was no velvet rope at any of the Occupy events. And it's a continual protest, unlike one-day Tea Party events. Lowlifes have basically been given an open invitation to crash the party. How exactly does one separate the "lowlife" crashers from the "lowlife" organizers? Just wondering. |
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Post by AustinHoya03 on Nov 18, 2011 11:56:46 GMT -5
How exactly does one separate the "lowlife" crashers from the "lowlife" organizers? Just wondering. Ha. For the record, while I think OWS has prompted some interesting discussion, I don't disagree with your characterization of many of the organizers, for whom protest is a profession. However, I am also enjoying observing partisan minions rushing to quash some of those interesting discussions simply because some of the participants are Seattle WTO protest veterans. |
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Post by Elvado on Nov 18, 2011 12:09:01 GMT -5
I can only speak as to the horde that has set up its sty outside of City Hall in Philadelphia. They are, by and large, a vile group. Without any mathematical precision, I can also state that a large percentage are not protesting anything, but rather simply killing time. I am also amazed at the high number of the horribly dispossessed and disenfranchised who carry top of the line electronic equipment.
Just some limited on-site observations.
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Post by quickplay on Nov 18, 2011 12:12:22 GMT -5
I can only speak as to the horde that has set up its sty outside of City Hall in Philadelphia. They are, by and large, a vile group. Without any mathematical precision, I can also state that a large percentage are not protesting anything, but rather simply killing time. I am also amazed at the high number of the horribly dispossessed and disenfranchised who carry top of the line electronic equipment. Just some limited on-site observations. Limited in the sense of you're basing it on just seeing a group of people or limited in the sense that you're not really interested in anything that doesn't go with the narrative your views need to follow? |
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Post by Buckets on Nov 18, 2011 12:26:33 GMT -5
I think this post from The Economist captures some of the parallels between Occupy and the Tea Party, as well as how Occupy has long overstayed its welcome: www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2011/11/occupy-wall-street-0One other binding force between Occupy in addition to what Austin mentioned is a very strong dislike of Citizens United and the lack of distinction between corporations and people as well as money and speech. |
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Post by Elvado on Nov 18, 2011 12:27:35 GMT -5
I can only speak as to the horde that has set up its sty outside of City Hall in Philadelphia. They are, by and large, a vile group. Without any mathematical precision, I can also state that a large percentage are not protesting anything, but rather simply killing time. I am also amazed at the high number of the horribly dispossessed and disenfranchised who carry top of the line electronic equipment. Just some limited on-site observations. Limited in the sense of you're basing it on just seeing a group of people or limited in the sense that you're not really interested in anything that doesn't go with the narrative your views need to follow? Probably a little of both. I will freely admit some inherent antipathy to the "Movement" based upon their continuing to inconvenience me as I attempt to go to City Hall for court. That said, my personal observations, limited by the fact that I have a job and places to go, do not favorably predispose me toward the protestors or their message. I would imagine there are some very intelligent, well-thought out ideas floating around Dilworth Plaza. Unfortunately, it is hard to separate those good ideas from the rabble, filth and stink the "movement" has left in a heap on my city. |
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Post by kchoya on Nov 18, 2011 13:02:32 GMT -5
Yeah, 'cause I read about people camping out and dying in my local park every weekend before the Occupy morons moved in. Yes, local papers love to run dog bites man headlines like "Vagrant dies in public," "Weirdo caught with child porn," and "Rape occurs." These stories are only "newsworthy" because they are happening at a protest that has been deemed newsworthy. Last I checked, there was no velvet rope at any of the Occupy events. And it's a continual protest, unlike one-day Tea Party events. Lowlifes have basically been given an open invitation to crash the party. Ok, so whatever "bad stuff" happens during these protests or occupations cannot be attributed in any way to the OWS movement. Got it. |
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Post by AustinHoya03 on Nov 18, 2011 14:10:03 GMT -5
Yes, local papers love to run dog bites man headlines like "Vagrant dies in public," "Weirdo caught with child porn," and "Rape occurs." These stories are only "newsworthy" because they are happening at a protest that has been deemed newsworthy. Last I checked, there was no velvet rope at any of the Occupy events. And it's a continual protest, unlike one-day Tea Party events. Lowlifes have basically been given an open invitation to crash the party. Ok, so whatever "bad stuff" happens during these protests or occupations cannot be attributed in any way to the OWS movement. Got it. Unless you can show me how movement organizers are actually encouraging criminal activity, yes. "Bad stuff," including criminal behavior, is going to happen at the Harvard-Yale tailgate this weekend. I guess we should blame the academic institutions. |
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Post by rosslynhoya on Nov 18, 2011 15:24:13 GMT -5
Yes, local papers love to run dog bites man headlines like "Vagrant dies in public," "Weirdo caught with child porn," and "Rape occurs." These stories are only "newsworthy" because they are happening at a protest that has been deemed newsworthy. Last I checked, there was no velvet rope at any of the Occupy events. And it's a continual protest, unlike one-day Tea Party events. Lowlifes have basically been given an open invitation to crash the party. Ok, so whatever "bad stuff" happens during these protests or occupations cannot be attributed in any way to the OWS movement. Got it. Up to and including firing shots into the East Wing of the White House. |
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Post by quickplay on Nov 18, 2011 15:49:57 GMT -5
Limited in the sense of you're basing it on just seeing a group of people or limited in the sense that you're not really interested in anything that doesn't go with the narrative your views need to follow? Probably a little of both. I will freely admit some inherent antipathy to the "Movement" based upon their continuing to inconvenience me as I attempt to go to City Hall for court. That said, my personal observations, limited by the fact that I have a job and places to go, do not favorably predispose me toward the protestors or their message. I would imagine there are some very intelligent, well-thought out ideas floating around Dilworth Plaza. Unfortunately, it is hard to separate those good ideas from the rabble, filth and stink the "movement" has left in a heap on my city. As someone who agrees with a lot of what the movement stands for, it's always frustrating to watch a movement which has a lot that many different ideologies can agree on (even if just the generally accepted corruption of our government and the need for serious change) become a free-for-all for all types of complaints and perpetual protestors. While it may sound crazy, there's a lot that the OWS and different Tea Party groups could agree on, and I wish there'd be some sort of coalition to enact change in some of those areas. |
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Post by AustinHoya03 on Nov 18, 2011 16:04:07 GMT -5
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Post by AustinHoya03 on Nov 18, 2011 16:11:40 GMT -5
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Post by Boz on Nov 18, 2011 16:31:36 GMT -5
I never realized there was an alleged connection. The guy is clearly mentally ill, it seems. I can't hold protesters accountable for that. I mean, it's not like he was "inspired" by Sarah Palin's congressional election map or anything.  On the other hand, occupiers in San Diego are really, really dumb: (yes, I just used "clearly" and "it seems" in the same sentence. I can live with it.  ) |
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Post by kchoya on Nov 18, 2011 20:41:25 GMT -5
Ok, so whatever "bad stuff" happens during these protests or occupations cannot be attributed in any way to the OWS movement. Got it. Unless you can show me how movement organizers are actually encouraging criminal activity, yes. "Bad stuff," including criminal behavior, is going to happen at the Harvard-Yale tailgate this weekend. I guess we should blame the academic institutions. If someone dies there, like at OWS, then yes, you need to look at the institutions. |
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