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Post by AustinHoya03 on Aug 26, 2011 14:13:54 GMT -5
FSU. I'd rather have FSU and Clemson if I'm the SEC but that's just based on FB alone. I think this move would blow up in A&M's face and they'd be regulated to the level of a Kentucky or Mississippi State in FB in the SEC--and it's a case of a program thinking far too much of itself. Aggies need to stay in the weakened Big 12 and they can emerge again-they go to SEC and they are the team that gets a beatdown routinely by powers and has a nice 8-4 season once in a while. Would Aggie ego allow them to just collect paychecks as an SEC member and not succeed on the field? I think not. Pac 12 wouldn't want Texas Tech. What do they bring? Lubbock is a rathole and that school is beyond ridiculous. It's a joke academically. I think Pac 12 expands--they want Oklahoma, Texas, and I wouldn't be surprised if they coveted Baylor more then Tech or Oklahoma State and they tried to bring in another West Coast team from another league. Oklahoma State might try to attach itself to Oklahoma but lets face it their options are limited if Pac 12 passes on them because SEC and Big 10 wouldn't want them-- either. Yeah, I think Texas Tech and Oklahoma State ride the coattails of Texas and OU to the Pac-16 once state legislatures get involved and push for those schools to be included as part of a "package deal." If the politicians don't get their way TTU and OSU wind up in the Mountain West. Baylor has done a lot over the past decade to improve facilities and its overall athletic program, but it's a private school and it still lags Texas Tech and Oklahoma State in terms of attendance, fanbase, merchandise sales, donors, etc. (I'm not sure if academics would be a factor in expansion or not, as the Pac-12 currently includes members as "academically diverse" as Stanford and Oregon State.) I also think the second SEC team will be FSU, unless UF can arrange to keep the 'Noles out politically. Interestingly, that would leave the ACC with the following teams (record over past five seasons in parentheses): BC (45-22) Clemson (39-27) UMD (34-30) NC State (28-34) Wake Forest (36-28) Duke (13-47) Ga. Tech (41-25) Miami (35-29) N. Carolina (31-32) U. Va. (26-35) Va. Tech (52-16) Overall W/L: 380-325 (.540 winning percentage) That's a pretty weak football conference. Only 2 teams have won over 65% of their games over the past five years: Boston College and Virginia Tech. Additionally, two members (UNC and Miami) may soon be hit by NCAA penalties. By comparison, here's the Big East: Cincinnati (45-20) UConn (37-27) Louisville (34-28) Pitt (38-25) Rutgers (40-24) USF (42-23) Syracuse (21-40) WVU (49-16) Overall W/L: 306-203 (.600 winning percentage) Add TCU (55-10) into the mix and the numbers change to 361-213 (.630). That's also a fairly weak football conference, but one that contains a slightly greater number of schools winning at least 65% of games over the past five years (3, 4 if you count TCU), and a better overall winning percentage. There are very few "big programs" in these conferences. From a pure W/L perspective, only Va. Tech, WVU, and TCU qualify. Based on program reputation, one could arguably throw FSU, Clemson, and Miami into the mix. If FSU goes to the SEC, Miami gets busted by the NCAA, Clemson continues its recent struggles, and the Big East looks poised to score a huge TV contract, is it inconceivable that Va. Tech could return to the Big East? If Va. Tech moves to the ACC, is it inconceivable that FSU could move to the Big East? Would BE football schools rather add a school like Va. Tech or a school like Kansas, which has a track around its football field, no support, and went 34-28 over the past five seasons? There are two points I'm trying to make here. One, that the Big East should be ready to expand if an ACC team leaves for the SEC. Two, that the schools we'd like to add to the BE as Georgetown basketball fans (Kansas, Mizzou) are not necessarily the schools that WVU football fans would like the conference to add. Note: I realize W-L is a terrible stat to use without taking into account strength of OOC schedule and other factors, but it's Friday, I'm lazy, and I don't know where to find the other stats. (FWIW, the Big 12 has an overall winning percentage equal to the Big East's over the past five years, but five teams with an individual winning percentage over 65%. Perhaps there is an imbalance of power in that conference?) Oh, and one more note: Texas A&M is 35-29 over the past five seasons. Just sayin'.
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Post by kchoya on Aug 26, 2011 14:21:51 GMT -5
All of this assumes the invites will be issued solely (or primarily) on football-based reasons. I think access to new markets, TV dollars, etc., will be the primary factor.
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Post by AustinHoya03 on Aug 26, 2011 15:40:40 GMT -5
All of this assumes the invites will be issued solely (or primarily) on football-based reasons. I think access to new markets, TV dollars, etc., will be the primary factor. Excellent point, and TV markets/dollars could certainly mitigate in favor of KU/Mizzou joining the Big East or Va. Tech/UNC joining the SEC. However, I think "national" programs add TV dollars regardless of location. Example: add Notre Dame to any conference and watch viewership in national markets rise and TV money pour in. FSU is not Notre Dame, but it remains a program with a high national profile and a winning tradition.
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Post by AustinHoya03 on Aug 29, 2011 13:05:21 GMT -5
Pat Forde says Minnesota will upset SC at the Coliseum. Ha. espn.go.com/college-football/preview11/story/_/id/6904469/college-football-preview-dashing-offseason-hellMy (probably just as laughable) upset pick for this weekend: Miami (OH) over Mizzou. My not-a-real-upset pick that will probably be referred to as an upset pick: Richmond over Duke. There's been some talk locally that SMU will push TAMU for at least a half in College Station. I don't see the Mustangs' defense keeping up with the Aggies' offense. Looking forward to a great weekend spent mostly on the couch. _______________________________ Week 1 Picks for Games That Matter: Villanova over Temple (Thursday) Boise State over UGA Oregon over LSU West Virginia over Marshall in the Friends of Coal Bowl for the Governor's Cup (Sunday)
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Post by AustinHoya03 on Sept 8, 2011 9:41:12 GMT -5
Didn't get to see as much football as I wanted to last weekend, but some general thoughts on Week 1: Utah State is a good football team. Not a great one, but certainly a program that has improved since I last watched them during the "Oh my God someone please beat Boise State" part of the season. With Boise gone from the WAC, and other teams leaving, there's no reason the Aggies can't be consistent conference champions if they continue to build their program. Texas struggled against Rice (the Longhorns run defense continues to suck), while OU and TAMU looked great against their cupcake opponents. It could be a long season for yours truly. At least the offense looks better, and Garrett Gilbert didn't throw any INTs. I still think he suffers from poor decision-making (he tried a flailing lateral to avoid a sack on the Texas side of the field that could have easily been 6 for Rice), and I hope David Ash gets a few more reps against BYU. _________________________________ Week 2 Picks for Games That Matter: Oklahoma State over Arizona in a Pac-16 preview (Thursday) Arizona State over Mizzou (Friday) Iowa over Iowa State for the (new) Cy-Hawk TrophyAuburn over Mississippi State Alabama over Penn State S. Carolina over UGA, officially ending the Mark Richt era at Georgia Michigan over Notre Dame under the lights at the Big House
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Post by hifigator on Sept 10, 2011 12:34:30 GMT -5
Michigan over Notre Dame under the lights at the Big House
Yeah, I just heard yesterday that they finally installed power at the stadium. So they can finally have a night game.
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Post by hifigator on Sept 10, 2011 12:43:58 GMT -5
also, I just caught this part:
I also think the second SEC team will be FSU, unless UF can arrange to keep the 'Noles out politically
I can honestly say that I have no problem with FSU joining the SEC, but from everything I hear, it isn't going to happen. The common mantra was that all existing SEC programs would lobby strongly against new members from within their own state -- USCe doesn't want Clemson, Georgia doesn't want Ga. Tech, Kentucky doesn't want Louisville and Florida doesn't want FSU. Now I don't know how strong such a sentiment is and whether it even exists to a significant degree in all cases. But as for the SEC, it is pretty clear that the biggest bargaining chip that a prospective new member could offer is a significant TV market. FSU doesn't bring that. Similarly, neither does Clemson. While Ga. Tech might appear to offer the Atlanta market, the truth is that Georgia owns more of that market than the Ramblin' Wreck. Further, the "market" is already there either way. The bottom line is that I would like FSU to be in the SEC and to face and SEC schedule every year. But it doesn't look like it's going to happen. So I guess your conclusion is correct, but I wouldn't say that Florida played some sort of political game to keep FSU out.
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Post by kchoya on Sept 10, 2011 15:22:47 GMT -5
Miss State QB dives and he has an easy TD there.
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Post by HometownHoya on Sept 10, 2011 22:48:21 GMT -5
Wow, that ND-Mich game was quite a game...full of everything you can ask for, including turnovers and a QB that just throws everything up there like a game of 500
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Post by kchoya on Sept 10, 2011 22:49:18 GMT -5
Apparently the defenses in Ann Arbor didn't get the message that the game is not 58 minutes long.
ON EDIT: With NU joining the league, I'll pay more attention to the B10, but I don't know if that White Stripes-Pom Pom thing at the Big House last night was new or not, but it sure was pretty cool, especially under the lights.
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Post by RDF on Sept 11, 2011 10:43:08 GMT -5
Actually liked the throwbacks Michigan/ND wore last night. Entertaining game but awful defensive football on both teams echoing what KC said.
This year in Big 10, it's Wisconsin and then a very big dropoff to next in line. Great thing is that doesn't matter in CFB, but will be surprised if they don't win conference.
I am not a ND fan at all but man have their fans got kicked in nuts the past 2 weekends. Over 1000 yards of offense, and not just the turnovers inside the 5/red zone-but then Michigan gets back into game when defense causes a fumble and Michigan picks it up and scores. Luck plays a part in things-but geez. Really like their offensive attack and think they've upgraded on defense talent wise--but need better Secondary those Safeties were overrated last year (picking off JaPicky Harris isn't hard and having that last image into offseason can give false hope) and does Gary Gray know how to defend a ball in the air? Defensive coaching-specifically in back 7 is at an all time low in CFB, so it's not just ND.
I'm still trying to figure out why Gary Pinkel iced his OWN kicker on Friday night in OT loss to ASU?? Not just once-he took back to back tiimeouts with Missouri having chance to hit game winning kick after ASU "Coug'd" it.
Speaking of the Cougs--very quietly a very good coach/man Paul Wolff has turned Washington State around. I know they've played Idaho State and UNLV (same team Wisconsin beat by less points) but they are lighting up the scoreboard and with a damn good QB in Jeff Tuel out with broken collarbone. Their backup QB has come in and Cougs have scored 60+ and 59 pts against UNLV last night. He said he was going to change their recruiting from JC oriented to HS recruits and played a ton of true FR the past 2 years, and glad to see he's off to good start. He was getting ripped for doing things that needed to be done to build a program and wish him success for not changing his plan.
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Post by hoyarooter on Sept 12, 2011 14:17:10 GMT -5
ASU commits dumb as rocks penalties all the time, so Pinkel apparently made two tries to draw them offsides and get five yards closer. Of course, the down side of that effort was freezing his own kicker. Oops.
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Post by AustinHoya03 on Sept 13, 2011 22:17:42 GMT -5
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Post by TBird41 on Sept 13, 2011 22:26:32 GMT -5
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Post by rosslynhoya on Sept 14, 2011 21:08:27 GMT -5
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Post by kchoya on Sept 15, 2011 15:06:41 GMT -5
Apparently Baylor got a bum rap; Kansas, K-State, Iowa State, and Mizzou have also not waived their right to sue either A&M or the SEC. Except that all of those other school waived their right, but once Baylor declined to join in, they changed their tune. (according to reports I've heard).
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Post by hoyarooter on Sept 15, 2011 19:18:08 GMT -5
Apparently Baylor got a bum rap; Kansas, K-State, Iowa State, and Mizzou have also not waived their right to sue either A&M or the SEC. Except that all of those other school waived their right, but once Baylor declined to join in, they changed their tune. (according to reports I've heard). Baylor = Larry David. ;D
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Post by hifigator on Sept 19, 2011 14:20:19 GMT -5
For what it's worth, the rumors down here are almost all that the SEC will go after Missouri -- and several say that they already have. Maybe it's just me, but for the past half dozen years or so, there has been realignment conversations, so maybe I have just trained myself to not give said conversations the time of day, but it sure seems like alignment kicked it into overdrive really quickly. Is there another reason, or is it simply a matter of not wanting to be the program or the conference that didn't act quickly enough?
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Post by SFHoya99 on Sept 19, 2011 15:37:11 GMT -5
For what it's worth, the rumors down here are almost all that the SEC will go after Missouri -- and several say that they already have. Maybe it's just me, but for the past half dozen years or so, there has been realignment conversations, so maybe I have just trained myself to not give said conversations the time of day, but it sure seems like alignment kicked it into overdrive really quickly. Is there another reason, or is it simply a matter of not wanting to be the program or the conference that didn't act quickly enough? I think it's pretty much that. I don't think anyone wants these moves, but the fear of getting left behind is big. Someone between the Big East and ACC was going to lose if everyone is right about four Super Conferences. The Big Integer, the SEC and the Pac-10 are going to rifle through the Big XII. But there's 10 teams there, and those conferences would be looking for exactly 10 teams. That works out nicely, unless the Pac-10 wants Boise or TCU, or the Big X wants Louisville, ND, or UConn. Or the ACC raids anywhere but the BE. Or the SEC wants FSU or something SE. In other words, someone in the B12 is going to get left behind. And while the BE and B12 could basically band together, it's less than ideal. So everyone's jumping for their own interests, even if at face they don't really want it.
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Post by AustinHoya03 on Sept 20, 2011 16:50:32 GMT -5
A little late, but here are your Week 3 Results for Games That Mattered (rivalry and trophy games only):
W. Michigan defeated C. Michigan, 44-14, in a Michigan MAC Trophy game for the Victory Cannon Colorado defeated Colorado State, 28-14, in the Rocky Mountain Showdown for the Centennial Cup Florida defeated Tennessee, 33-23 N. Carolina defeated U. Va., 28-17, in the South's Oldest Rivalry Notre Dame defeated Michigan State, 31-13, for the Megaphone Trophy Ohio defeated Marshall, 44-7, in the Battle of the Bell (for The Bell, duh) Louisville defeated Kentucky, 24-17, for the Governor's Cup Utah defeated BYU, 54-10, in the Holy War (also a Beehive Boot contest)
Week 4 Picks for Games That Matter:
Florida State over Clemson Alabama over Arkansas TAMU over Oklahoma State LSU over WVU Oklahoma over Mizzou in a revenge game
No rivalry games this week that I can see. Let me know what I'm missing.
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Also, if you ever have the opportunity to take in a game at the Rose Bowl, jump on it. I enjoyed a wonderful late summer day with friends and family while watching Texas stomp UCLA last Saturday. If the Big 12 implodes and Texas joins the Pac-12, there will be future trips to Pasadena in my travel plans.
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