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Post by hoyarooter on Aug 17, 2011 12:11:38 GMT -5
This is classic (right on, RDF):
4. That fat piece of dog crap Paul Dee who led the wrongful punishment of USC who had 1 player/agent related incident and mentioned to USC "You should've known" about a "high profile player" happens to be the AD for most of this "run of disgust". So what does this leader of men and honesty do tonight? Deny knowing anything happened. Paul--you fat piece of crap--YOU SHOULDVE KNOWN!!! Unlike USC, this guy was a friggin BOOSTER too--not a guy trying to get into agency and sign Reggie Bush, but a BOOSTER who contributed to school--you were honoring at halftime of games, let run onto the field with the team, and have his name on your campus for donating money.
FAT BASTARD should've known. This man is a disgrace to life--let alone collegiate sports.
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Post by nychoya3 on Aug 17, 2011 12:13:37 GMT -5
Wow, I just read the Yahoo piece. So much of it is based on the word of Shapiro who appears to be an utter sociopath. Yet the pictures and documentation corroborate at least the general arc of his story. If the coaches, athletics department, and compliance staff didn't know about this stuff to some degree, it's because they didn't want to know.
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Post by RDF on Aug 17, 2011 12:52:41 GMT -5
Wow, I just read the Yahoo piece. So much of it is based on the word of Shapiro who appears to be an utter sociopath. Yet the pictures and documentation corroborate at least the general arc of his story. If the coaches, athletics department, and compliance staff didn't know about this stuff to some degree, it's because they didn't want to know. A guy's word has more weight when he's got documentation and bills to show where his money was going. Also he broke 72 players, 10 coaches/staff tied Miami people, recruits who didn't sign, basketball recruit/coaching staff down specifically and didn't generalize a thing--he told who got what, where they were, had visual proof and time of events matches. He's telling truth and Death Penalty is only answer. Golden will be Penn State's new coach once the coaching version of "Frogger" hangs it up--hey Paterno just got nailed by a yard marker--look out JoePa! BTW to add to Paul "Donuts" Dee's "legacy" and the hypocrisy of NCAA---Dee was AD when Pell Grant Fraud happened, when Uncle Luke Skyywalker was paying guys, and this current debacle--yet he's allowed to lead an investigation/decide the fate of other schools by the NCAA? WTH??? Also--Luther Campbell came out today and only as a Miami booster could denied involvement/cheating--Hey Luke--when you do that crap---might not want to brag on ESPN documentary with great sarcasm how you "NEVER did anything to help pay/host players at parties...." can't talk out both ends--but typical of a scumball who wants to side up with players and be cool. Piece of crap. Last but not least--if anyone at Miami has a brain--might want to dismiss the 12 current players from playing or at least suspend them for season. if you play them--you deserve an extra year of Death Penalty. If USC got 2 year postseason ban, 30 scholarship reduction for 1 guy (albeit a high profile player), what will UNC get? and What UNC gets, Miami should get x a million. Sadly, I'll still support them once they start their program up again--but I can't switch teams/loyalty--team is my team and it's just part of it--you do this type of crap and get caught--you deserve to get killed.
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Post by FLHoya on Aug 17, 2011 16:57:17 GMT -5
Sadly, I'll still support them once they start their program up again--but I can't switch teams/loyalty--team is my team and it's just part of it--you do this type of crap and get caught--you deserve to get killed. Sadly, I feel the same way. I grew up in South Florida and this is my team...they'll get nailed hard by the NCAA and they should. When the reporters down in South Florida got word (sometime over the weekend) that the Yahoo story was going to be published soon, someone with knowledge of the subject matter was asked how bad it was on a scale of 1-10, and they said 10. I'm not even sure a 1-10 scale does it justice. Might as well call it a "72" or 73 or however many players Yahoo found corroboration for (Charles Robinson said Shapiro spilled on over 100 but they only went with the number they could independently verify). The U more than any other team I can think of truly does reflect their home region, and this scandal is quintessentially Miami/South Florida...a Rick Ross video crossed with outtakes from the Bernie Madoff trial.
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Post by hifigator on Aug 18, 2011 12:46:51 GMT -5
Yeah, I heard Jim Kelly interviewed on Mike and Mike the morning the story broke, and you could hear in his voice that he was really saddened, but you got the impression that he was -- without saying it -- feeling some of the blame himself. And he obviously didn't deny taking any benefits either. Skirting the issue by saying somthing like he didn't do anything out of the ordinary and that what he got was what everyone was getting at other schools. I'm not saying that's not true, just that it's no excuse. You can't get caught and then say it's ok because those that haven't been caught did it too.
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Post by FormerHoya on Aug 18, 2011 17:54:33 GMT -5
Sadly, I'll still support them once they start their program up again--but I can't switch teams/loyalty--team is my team and it's just part of it--you do this type of crap and get caught--you deserve to get killed. Sadly, I feel the same way. I grew up in South Florida and this is my team...they'll get nailed hard by the NCAA and they should. When the reporters down in South Florida got word (sometime over the weekend) that the Yahoo story was going to be published soon, someone with knowledge of the subject matter was asked how bad it was on a scale of 1-10, and they said 10. I'm not even sure a 1-10 scale does it justice. Might as well call it a "72" or 73 or however many players Yahoo found corroboration for (Charles Robinson said Shapiro spilled on over 100 but they only went with the number they could independently verify). The U more than any other team I can think of truly does reflect their home region, and this scandal is quintessentially Miami/South Florida...a Rick Ross video crossed with outtakes from the Bernie Madoff trial. I don't mean to attack, but... are you sad because they got caught? Why else are you sad? Isn't this exactly the program that you began rooting for? Wasn't the "outlaw" thing always their deal? Didn't you believe "Da U" 30 for 30 was great? Again, nothing against you personally, but I always just assumed that when people rooted for teams that don't graduate players and always flirt with the law/broken rules, that the "wrongness" or "badassery" of the thing was part of the attraction.
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Post by FLHoya on Aug 18, 2011 19:03:55 GMT -5
I don't mean to attack, but... are you sad because they got caught? Why else are you sad? Isn't this exactly the program that you began rooting for? Wasn't the "outlaw" thing always their deal? Didn't you believe "Da U" 30 for 30 was great? Again, nothing against you personally, but I always just assumed that when people rooted for teams that don't graduate players and always flirt with the law/broken rules, that the "wrongness" or "badassery" of the thing was part of the attraction. Nothing personal taken...I don't really pretend like I've got a great moral compass on this one. Although to be fair, I think what both RDF and I are saying is that...sadly...we'll keep on supporting the team during/after the sanctions, if and when they come. They're the only "hometown" team I ever supported...always hated (and still do) all the Miami pro teams. I get the bargain though. Miami deserved their probation in the 90s and they'll deserve whatever the NCAA hands down here based on their findings.
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Post by hoya9797 on Aug 18, 2011 19:40:01 GMT -5
I don't mean to attack, but... are you sad because they got caught? Why else are you sad? Isn't this exactly the program that you began rooting for? Wasn't the "outlaw" thing always their deal? Didn't you believe "Da U" 30 for 30 was great? Again, nothing against you personally, but I always just assumed that when people rooted for teams that don't graduate players and always flirt with the law/broken rules, that the "wrongness" or "badassery" of the thing was part of the attraction. Nothing personal taken...I don't really pretend like I've got a great moral compass on this one. Although to be fair, I think what both RDF and I are saying is that...sadly...we'll keep on supporting the team during/after the sanctions, if and when they come. They're the only "hometown" team I ever supported...always hated (and still do) all the Miami pro teams. I get the bargain though. Miami deserved their probation in the 90s and they'll deserve whatever the NCAA hands down here based on their findings. The stuff in the '90s was far worse. Defrauding the Pell Grant program was real criminal behavior. hope that whatever portion of this that turns out to be true is mainly a bunch of college kids acting like morons with the help of one of the world's biggest morons. I think, when it's all said and done, a lot of the claims in the yahoo story will either turn out to be grossly exaggerated or completely unverifiable. The real danger is if the stuff about the coaches and recruiting are true. If so, they are really dead. If that is a dead end and it turns out to be mostly former (and long gone) players taking some money, then the punishment will be manageable. A big problem is that the timing is really bad and the NCAA is probably looking to make an example of someone after they let Auburn skate and are not doing much, so far, to Ohio State. And, second, the court of public opinion have already found UM very guilty so the NCAA will likely feel pressure to come down hard. Hopefully, the fact that UM has been very forthcoming with this to the NCAA (unlike USC and Ohio State) and the fact that any of the coaching staff or administration that might have had any dealings with this guy are gone will help when the NCAA decides what do to.
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Post by hoya9797 on Aug 18, 2011 21:30:41 GMT -5
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Post by RDF on Aug 19, 2011 1:07:15 GMT -5
Nothing personal taken...I don't really pretend like I've got a great moral compass on this one. Although to be fair, I think what both RDF and I are saying is that...sadly...we'll keep on supporting the team during/after the sanctions, if and when they come. They're the only "hometown" team I ever supported...always hated (and still do) all the Miami pro teams. I get the bargain though. Miami deserved their probation in the 90s and they'll deserve whatever the NCAA hands down here based on their findings. The stuff in the '90s was far worse. Defrauding the Pell Grant program was real criminal behavior. hope that whatever portion of this that turns out to be true is mainly a bunch of college kids acting like morons with the help of one of the world's biggest morons. I think, when it's all said and done, a lot of the claims in the yahoo story will either turn out to be grossly exaggerated or completely unverifiable. The real danger is if the stuff about the coaches and recruiting are true. If so, they are really dead. If that is a dead end and it turns out to be mostly former (and long gone) players taking some money, then the punishment will be manageable. A big problem is that the timing is really bad and the NCAA is probably looking to make an example of someone after they let Auburn skate and are not doing much, so far, to Ohio State. And, second, the court of public opinion have already found UM very guilty so the NCAA will likely feel pressure to come down hard. Hopefully, the fact that UM has been very forthcoming with this to the NCAA (unlike USC and Ohio State) and the fact that any of the coaching staff or administration that might have had any dealings with this guy are gone will help when the NCAA decides what do to. USC wasn't "forthcoming" because the incident involved NON boosters and 1 player/his family in dealings that were 2 hours outside of their campus. Their HC didn't know about this and Dee said they should know. Paul "Donuts" Dee was escorting this known booster around--a man who took a swing at compliance guy at Miami in the UM Box at Orange Bowl--in front of media and UM Administrators/Athletic Dept. people. USC got 2 year postseason ban and loses 30 scholarships. Mark Emmert the President of NCAA roomed in college with Gordon Gee of Ohio State-they'll get a light slap. Despite the fact their HC knew about this prior to the season, during the season, and after the season, lied to public 4-5 times which ended with him holding more "I'm Sorry" pressers then Jim Calhoun "bubble Boy" pressers after an incident or tough season where he needs another boil lanced. Liking an outlaw image on the field is one thing--talking trash, brawling, etc...because it's settled on the field. Cheating the Pell Grant system was disgusting. This is pathetic given who was in charge--the leaderless, fat, obese, sloppy, arrogant, fat bastard of trash worthless piece of dog crap Paul Dee. If you want to throw blame at others for "not knowing what they should know" then you better accept same applies to you/your school--which under your leadership has 2 of the biggest scandals uncovered in NCAA history. If you are truly innocent--how can you cooperate with NCAA if the player/his family won't talk? If you didn't know anything about it--you can't say much. Being judged by a panel that included UCLA/Notre Dame people wasn't necessarily a fair trial either--seeing how the scores on the field were ending up--but that is another story. Read the facts about the case and what happened to USC considering what NCAA was able to prove and what isn't happening to others that have done far worse is beyond unfair--it's disgustingly bias. 1 player (high profile) was their justification. Well WTF are Cam Newton and Terrelle Pryor? Throw in Deviar Posey--who is pretty high profile. I'd say UNC had high profile guys involved. I'd say the Miami case which Yahoo admits they could only name 72 because of the evidence but Shapiro named more (Bryant McKinnie anyone??) and we'll see how it's handled. Consistency has to be in play--unfair or fair--but you have sporadic enforcement of justice and it's tiresome.
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Post by theexorcist on Aug 25, 2011 9:02:05 GMT -5
Quick question - is the worst of the 30 for 30 documentaries "The U"? It's so blatantly apologetic and one-sided in favor of the Hurricanes (there's one part with Luther Campbell where he laughingly justifies paying players and it's shrugged off as a natural thing). PLUS there's a discussion about the Cotton Bowl where everyone laughs off someone a Texas player a concussion on the first play of the game.
I'm certainly biased in this since I've never liked UM, but the story of Miami does have enough for a documentary - and even one with a pro-Miami slant. But every time I see it, it just seems like an infomercial.
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Post by kchoya on Aug 25, 2011 10:40:54 GMT -5
Quick question - is the worst of the 30 for 30 documentaries "The U"? It's so blatantly apologetic and one-sided in favor of the Hurricanes (there's one part with Luther Campbell where he laughingly justifies paying players and it's shrugged off as a natural thing). PLUS there's a discussion about the Cotton Bowl where everyone laughs off someone a Texas player a concussion on the first play of the game. I'm certainly biased in this since I've never liked UM, but the story of Miami does have enough for a documentary - and even one with a pro-Miami slant. But every time I see it, it just seems like an infomercial. I didn't find it that way. I thought it was trying to capture the essence of The U back in the 80's. I don't think it glorified the program. Most people who watched it probably came away with respect for how good those teams were, but little respect for how they went about their business. I imagine a similar doc that tried to capture what Hoya Paranoia was really like might engender the same complaint you voiced. BTW, I actually liked the Iverson 30 for 30 a lot less than I wanted to.
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Post by Boz on Aug 25, 2011 11:02:27 GMT -5
The Allen Iverson documentary may have benefited and been improved somewhat by including, ummm, Allen Iverson.
I could be wrong.
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Post by RDF on Aug 25, 2011 11:37:01 GMT -5
Quick question - is the worst of the 30 for 30 documentaries "The U"? It's so blatantly apologetic and one-sided in favor of the Hurricanes (there's one part with Luther Campbell where he laughingly justifies paying players and it's shrugged off as a natural thing). PLUS there's a discussion about the Cotton Bowl where everyone laughs off someone a Texas player a concussion on the first play of the game. I'm certainly biased in this since I've never liked UM, but the story of Miami does have enough for a documentary - and even one with a pro-Miami slant. But every time I see it, it just seems like an infomercial. What's really interesting is that Simmons and company wanted to make a 30/30 on Georgetown and when that fell through they moved to Miami football. I'd have been fascinated by an in depth look at Hoyas back in day-but really once they did the Nova thing for HBO it would've been re-hashing the same stories. I like the 30/30 because they show the programs/people for what they are (in the well done stories) and fact KC didn't care for the Iverson one, interested in why? Think it's a perfect symbol for Iverson--and Boo Williams comment is what Iverson is all about--"You love him because you know he's going to be at your side in a foxhole, but he's also the reason you are in the foxhole in first place". No sugar coating-it's real. Iverson grew up in chaos and lives his life in same manner. Steve James did a great job and can't fault him for not getting Iverson because even if he did--I'd bet Iverson would delay shooting due to arriving hours late, skipping taping events completely and is completely unreliable and can't be counted on being somewhere on time. As for the Miami stuff: Luther Campbell is a joke. As you mention--he's basically bragging about how he helped players but then goes on the rampage last week saying he "NEVER" did anything to violate NCAA rules. Thing I found from these episodes is that the EXCUSES that come from these guys was pathetic. They were always "cheated" or "slighted" in losses--and they completely ignore the facts that things were getting out of control after Erickson's arrival--not to mention his drinking problem that fit in with the chaos and the Pell Grant scandal under his watch-and that fat, piece of dog crap Paul "Donuts "Dee. You turn the ball over 6 times against Penn State but "felt you were the better team". No you weren't--you gagged in big game. It happens--but don't make excuses. I will defend them for ND fight---Notre Dame was notorious for this and Lou Holtz teams were notorious for this--that ND team had a fight later in year against USC the same season and for same reason--the timing of leaving field to go to the tunnel. Also that call of a fumble was a disgrace--it was a TD or down by contact and instead ruled a fumble--but as Jimmy Johnson said "you don't play to a level that allows officals calls to matter", but still a brutal call. Have no problem with the hit in Texas game. It was clean, hard, and that is how you beatdown a team--not with tough guy talk, or wearing fatigues (the single dumbest thing done in Jimmy Johnson Era) you go out and kick someone's ass on the field. Robert Bailey leveled that guy and said he was going to do it-but backed it up. Whether people want to hear it or not-that is how you want football players playing/thinking--knock the snot out of people and kick their ass. Football is a chance to assault another human being without being penalized and that's how you should play--hit through the man and try to hurt him--again not cheapshot--but hurt. The bounties being talked about and dirty shots to injure someone are classless-but trying to hit someone to knock them woozy should be goal of every defensive player as long as it's within rules of game. Michael Barrow's hit of Tamarick Vanover is still one of the greatest hits I've ever seen in a game and to hear an entire stadium groan was a great moment. It's part of what made the Orange Bowl and those classic games great--was the intensity and ferocity. It was very interesting to see the change in comments too. From the Schnellenberger/Jimmy Canes to the Erickson Era to the Davis Era. The attitude and excuses grew as to why things dropped off. "Swagger" was Jimmy Johnson coached football. Guys who could back up the talk and played physical football. I still remember when he instructed Kevin Smith to go talk trash/intimidate Jerry Rice in pregame before the NFC Title game in San Francisco and it set a tone for the change in dominance in NFL. Jimmy knew how to get under skin of 49ers and it was playing physical and being a bully--they didn't respond to that at all-and Johnson OWNED them. It was beauty of his coaching. Knowing how to push buttons and motivate his own team but also knowing how to agitate opponents. Loved when he bombed Notre Dame too--that was an ass kicking that was not only deserved but set tone for what Miami football was-- don't want to be liked, dont' care, and play hard from start to end of game. That is what Cane fans LOVED. The garbage with Luther Campbell and the FAKE SWAGGER is a joke. Fake swagger is Lamar Thomas. Guy tried to be Michael Irvin and I can say without a doubt that Michael Irvin would've NEVER had a ball taken from him by George Teague in any game let alone a National Title ass kicking at hands of Alabama. To me that Thomas group was beginning of end--they were out of control, overrated, and saved by a great group of defensive players that Jimmy left the program.
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Post by kchoya on Aug 25, 2011 11:46:01 GMT -5
Quick question - is the worst of the 30 for 30 documentaries "The U"? It's so blatantly apologetic and one-sided in favor of the Hurricanes (there's one part with Luther Campbell where he laughingly justifies paying players and it's shrugged off as a natural thing). PLUS there's a discussion about the Cotton Bowl where everyone laughs off someone a Texas player a concussion on the first play of the game. I'm certainly biased in this since I've never liked UM, but the story of Miami does have enough for a documentary - and even one with a pro-Miami slant. But every time I see it, it just seems like an infomercial. What's really interesting is that Simmons and company wanted to make a 30/30 on Georgetown and when that fell through they moved to Miami football. I'd have been fascinated by an in depth look at Hoyas back in day-but really once they did the Nova thing for HBO it would've been re-hashing the same stories. I like the 30/30 because they show the programs/people for what they are (in the well done stories) and fact KC didn't care for the Iverson one, interested in why? Think it's a perfect symbol for Iverson--and Boo Williams comment is what Iverson is all about--"You love him because you know he's going to be at your side in a foxhole, but he's also the reason you are in the foxhole in first place". No sugar coating-it's real. Iverson grew up in chaos and lives his life in same manner. Steve James did a great job and can't fault him for not getting Iverson because even if he did--I'd bet Iverson would delay shooting due to arriving hours late, skipping taping events completely and is completely unreliable and can't be counted on being somewhere on time. As for the Miami stuff: Luther Campbell is a joke. As you mention--he's basically bragging about how he helped players but then goes on the rampage last week saying he "NEVER" did anything to violate NCAA rules. Thing I found from these episodes is that the EXCUSES that come from these guys was pathetic. They were always "cheated" or "slighted" in losses--and they completely ignore the facts that things were getting out of control after Erickson's arrival--not to mention his drinking problem that fit in with the chaos and the Pell Grant scandal under his watch-and that fat, piece of dog crap Paul "Donuts "Dee. You turn the ball over 6 times against Penn State but "felt you were the better team". No you weren't--you gagged in big game. It happens--but don't make excuses. I will defend them for ND fight---Notre Dame was notorious for this and Lou Holtz teams were notorious for this--that ND team had a fight later in year against USC the same season and for same reason--the timing of leaving field to go to the tunnel. Also that call of a fumble was a disgrace--it was a TD or down by contact and instead ruled a fumble--but as Jimmy Johnson said "you don't play to a level that allows officals calls to matter", but still a brutal call. Have no problem with the hit in Texas game. It was clean, hard, and that is how you beatdown a team--not with tough guy talk, or wearing fatigues (the single dumbest thing done in Jimmy Johnson Era) you go out and kick someone's ass on the field. Robert Bailey leveled that guy and said he was going to do it-but backed it up. Whether people want to hear it or not-that is how you want football players playing/thinking--knock the snot out of people and kick their ass. Football is a chance to assault another human being without being penalized and that's how you should play--hit through the man and try to hurt him--again not cheapshot--but hurt. The bounties being talked about and dirty shots to injure someone are classless-but trying to hit someone to knock them woozy should be goal of every defensive player as long as it's within rules of game. Michael Barrow's hit of Tamarick Vanover is still one of the greatest hits I've ever seen in a game and to hear an entire stadium groan was a great moment. It's part of what made the Orange Bowl and those classic games great--was the intensity and ferocity. It was very interesting to see the change in comments too. From the Schnellenberger/Jimmy Canes to the Erickson Era to the Davis Era. The attitude and excuses grew as to why things dropped off. "Swagger" was Jimmy Johnson coached football. Guys who could back up the talk and played physical football. I still remember when he instructed Kevin Smith to go talk trash/intimidate Jerry Rice in pregame before the NFC Title game in San Francisco and it set a tone for the change in dominance in NFL. Jimmy knew how to get under skin of 49ers and it was playing physical and being a bully--they didn't respond to that at all-and Johnson OWNED them. It was beauty of his coaching. Knowing how to push buttons and motivate his own team but also knowing how to agitate opponents. Loved when he bombed Notre Dame too--that was an ass kicking that was not only deserved but set tone for what Miami football was-- don't want to be liked, dont' care, and play hard from start to end of game. That is what Cane fans LOVED. The garbage with Luther Campbell and the FAKE SWAGGER is a joke. Fake swagger is Lamar Thomas. Guy tried to be Michael Irvin and I can say without a doubt that Michael Irvin would've NEVER had a ball taken from him by George Teague in any game let alone a National Title ass kicking at hands of Alabama. To me that Thomas group was beginning of end--they were out of control, overrated, and saved by a great group of defensive players that Jimmy left the program. My complaint was more stylistic than anything. It was too long, and I don't know if the way James chose to tell the story worked.
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Post by RDF on Aug 25, 2011 12:58:24 GMT -5
KC, I think he was really limited in how to go about it when the focus of the story wouldn't speak about it--so he had to tell it in a manner that made the uninformed viewer understand not just the incident but the history of the town, etc.....which helped viewers who had formed opinions based on what they had heard--either way in regards to Iverson.
Thought he did a good job considering that Iverson wasn't involved and really wished he'd have focused on Iverson post Hampton a bit more--but only so much time and again without Iverson speaking to him--hard to do.
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Post by kchoya on Aug 25, 2011 14:27:41 GMT -5
KC, I think he was really limited in how to go about it when the focus of the story wouldn't speak about it--so he had to tell it in a manner that made the uninformed viewer understand not just the incident but the history of the town, etc.....which helped viewers who had formed opinions based on what they had heard--either way in regards to Iverson. Thought he did a good job considering that Iverson wasn't involved and really wished he'd have focused on Iverson post Hampton a bit more--but only so much time and again without Iverson speaking to him--hard to do. Except, it wasn't a matter of "only so much time." I think that 30 for 30 was 2 hours -- one of the longest. I wasn't bothered by the fact that Iverson wasn't in it. But I too wish there was more time spent on the post-Hampton time. I understand how James was trying to tell the story. I just felt he relied too much on his family, etc., at the expense of everything else.
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Post by AustinHoya03 on Aug 26, 2011 0:00:52 GMT -5
TAMU may have to say "goodbye to Texas University" for good if it decides to SECede from the Big 12. Time to dust off the old first verse of the Aggie War Hymn? texas.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1256278en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aggie_War_Hymn#LyricsMy guess: this is all spin. Notre Dame doesn't want to be in a conference with Texas, even if DeLoss Dodds and Jack Swarbrick are old friends. TAMU goes to the SEC, Pac-12 accepts Texas, Texas Tech, OU, and Oklahoma State despite Larry Scott's recent comments regarding the Longhorn Network.
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Post by TBird41 on Aug 26, 2011 0:29:49 GMT -5
TAMU may have to say "goodbye to Texas University" for good if it decides to SECede from the Big 12. Time to dust off the old first verse of the Aggie War Hymn? texas.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1256278en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aggie_War_Hymn#LyricsMy guess: this is all spin. Notre Dame doesn't want to be in a conference with Texas, even if DeLoss Dodds and Jack Swarbrick are old friends. TAMU goes to the SEC, Pac-12 accepts Texas, Texas Tech, OU, and Oklahoma State despite Larry Scott's recent comments regarding the Longhorn Network. Who do you have as the second team to the SEC then?
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Post by RDF on Aug 26, 2011 11:05:08 GMT -5
TAMU may have to say "goodbye to Texas University" for good if it decides to SECede from the Big 12. Time to dust off the old first verse of the Aggie War Hymn? texas.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1256278en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aggie_War_Hymn#LyricsMy guess: this is all spin. Notre Dame doesn't want to be in a conference with Texas, even if DeLoss Dodds and Jack Swarbrick are old friends. TAMU goes to the SEC, Pac-12 accepts Texas, Texas Tech, OU, and Oklahoma State despite Larry Scott's recent comments regarding the Longhorn Network. Who do you have as the second team to the SEC then? FSU. I'd rather have FSU and Clemson if I'm the SEC but that's just based on FB alone. I think this move would blow up in A&M's face and they'd be regulated to the level of a Kentucky or Mississippi State in FB in the SEC--and it's a case of a program thinking far too much of itself. Aggies need to stay in the weakened Big 12 and they can emerge again-they go to SEC and they are the team that gets a beatdown routinely by powers and has a nice 8-4 season once in a while. Would Aggie ego allow them to just collect paychecks as an SEC member and not succeed on the field? I think not. Pac 12 wouldn't want Texas Tech. What do they bring? Lubbock is a rathole and that school is beyond ridiculous. It's a joke academically. I think Pac 12 expands--they want Oklahoma, Texas, and I wouldn't be surprised if they coveted Baylor more then Tech or Oklahoma State and they tried to bring in another West Coast team from another league. Oklahoma State might try to attach itself to Oklahoma but lets face it their options are limited if Pac 12 passes on them because SEC and Big 10 wouldn't want them-- either.
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