SirSaxa
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Post by SirSaxa on May 9, 2011 16:35:41 GMT -5
Bynum's hit may not have been the WORST I've ever seen, but it is in the top 5. And no, it was not common place to see that kind of cheap shot in the 80s, 70s, 60s. Who was that guy on Boston? Jim Luscutoff? Or something like that? He was the "hatchet man" on some otherwise great teams. I guess his coach, Hall of Famer Red Auerbach, accepted that level of tough play -- maybe demanded it. There didn't seem to be any other reason for JL to be on those Celts.
Detroit's Bad Boys had some well known incidents, and Chocolate Thunder, Darryl Dawkins was involved in some bad incidents too. Heck, Maurice Lucas was Bill Walton's "protector" on the court.
But the absolute worst I can ever recall, was Kermit Washington's sucker punch of Rudy Tomjanovich. That was REALLY scary. Like, "life-threatening" scary. I think those two guys --- much later -- had some kind of reconciliation. But at the time.... awful, awful moment. Not something one would ever expect or want to see in a basketball game.
OK, so Bynum's deplorable cheap shot didn't rise to that level, not close. But neither can it simply be excused as "Playoff Basketball". It wasn't within the flow of a tough, close game. It wasn't a hard hit through the lane. It was an assault. Big difference. Nothing sportsmanlike in that hit. Cheap, frustration, he deserves a significant suspension for it.
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Post by SFHoya99 on May 9, 2011 16:46:12 GMT -5
Now that the Lakers are out, i'm interested again. Kinda wide open, isn't it.
One interesting thing about the Mavs-- they played a lot of bad lineups during the year when they didn't have to do so.
Now Dirk is playing more minutes and many of the scrubs are riding the pine.
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Post by hoyarooter on May 9, 2011 19:40:19 GMT -5
I had the good fortune to miss the game yesterday, since I was at a Mother's Day brunch. Coincidentally, though, I ducked out of the brunch around 2:30 to see what was happening in the game, and what do I see? Bynum's little love tap on Barea.
But I say that facetiously. I don't mind rough play within the context of the game. But that wasn't a basketball play, and there is no place for it in the game. It was a bush move, as was Artest's similar elbow at the end of game 2 that got him suspended for game 3. The Lakers should be able to lose with a little more class than that. I haven't seen Odom's foul on Dirk, so I can't comment on that.
This also marks the second consecutive road elimination game in which the Lakers have been pulverized (see Boston, 2008). Make of that what you will.
One point that RDF made above is one that I have been telling people for a couple weeks. People think the Lakers are old? Look at Dallas. Terry and the decrepit Peja didn't exactly look old in this series, particularly yesterday, when they were making 15-16 threes. Unless you are the Jordan/Pippin Bulls, you can't win every year, and if there is NBA basketball in 2011-12, I expect to see the Lakers among the contenders again.
I'm rooting for Dallas and the Bulls now. I have nothing against the Thunder and the Grizzlies, but the Dallas fans have paid their dues, and I really think it's now or never for that team, so I hope they get it done. I can't possibly root for the Celtics or the Heat (although I tip my hat to Rondo - he's one tough MF), and the Hawks are no-hopers, so that leaves the Bulls.
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Post by HometownHoya on May 9, 2011 20:06:58 GMT -5
Good D Jeff...that was a travel by Lebron
Jeff has looked pretty good so far tonight. He was mismatched against Miller for a bit while LeBron and Pierce were going at it and was doing real good on offense. Straight up against Bronbron he has played him close, denying the ball, and in general being tenacious (in transition too), so much so that Spolestra (sp?) has told Lebron to go inside and post Jeff up, the only place where he has a definite advantage. Jeff has done well anyway pushing LeBron out on those post ups. Keep it up Jeff!! 8:50 left
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Post by DanMcQ on May 9, 2011 21:12:31 GMT -5
I've said all along that the Celtics will go as far as Rondo takes them, and tonight a one-armed Rondo without the same-night adrenaline was a liability at the end of the game. Not helped by Garnett's inexplicable decision to submit a Bosh-like game of pansy outside jumpers instead of what worked so well in game 3, but Rondo's limitations allowed Miami to help off him enough that it really disrupted the Celtics offense. Difficult to see them winning 3 in a row to win this series.
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Post by kghoya on May 10, 2011 0:13:42 GMT -5
This MEM/OKC game just doesn't want to end.
I'd like to go to bed.
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Post by RDF on May 10, 2011 0:50:50 GMT -5
He got knocked down and banged up. He also got back up and played. Did it hurt? Yep. But he milked it for more then what it was. Did you watch basketball in the 80's and most of 90's? This wouldn't even be talked about and Barea is a target--he's a cocky little mascot type who puffs out knowing he won't have to be on the court to make the plays to back up anything when it matters. He got last laugh--they pounded Lakers, got the sweep, and are moving on but people asking for a 10-15 game suspension are typical of the wimps that exist today. Georgetown used to do far worse in college games then you saw yesterday. Yes, I watched. And yes, this would have been talked about even back them. The defending champion gets its ass handed to them in a sweep, and then takes cheap shots throughout the series. You don't think this would be talked about? I actually wonder if you watched basketball in the 90's. Why do you think people still talk about the Pistons walking off the court against the Bulls? They talked about that because Pistons walked off the court prior to the end of the game so they didn't have to shake hands/acknowledge the Bulls. That is what Lebron did when Dwight Howard and Magic upset Cavs in '09--and nobody even mentions it anymore. Defending champs got their ass kicked and next year this won't be spoken about--because it was 2nd round Sweep. Nobody remembers the losers--unless someone gags--Nick Anderson in NBA Finals type of gag. That stays in memories. It's bigger news when the best player for the team resorts to that stuff--Kobe was 1st guy to head over and congratulate the Mavs and gave them full credit for kicking their ass and admonished his teammates but kept it "we" instead of blaming "them". How this compares to Isaiah and company walking off the court by Bulls bench prior to end of the game?? |
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Post by RDF on May 10, 2011 0:52:55 GMT -5
Bynum's hit may not have been the WORST I've ever seen, but it is in the top 5. And no, it was not common place to see that kind of cheap shot in the 80s, 70s, 60s. Who was that guy on Boston? Jim Luscutoff? Or something like that? He was the "hatchet man" on some otherwise great teams. I guess his coach, Hall of Famer Red Auerbach, accepted that level of tough play -- maybe demanded it. There didn't seem to be any other reason for JL to be on those Celts. Detroit's Bad Boys had some well known incidents, and Chocolate Thunder, Darryl Dawkins was involved in some bad incidents too. Heck, Maurice Lucas was Bill Walton's "protector" on the court. But the absolute worst I can ever recall, was Kermit Washington's sucker punch of Rudy Tomjanovich. That was REALLY scary. Like, "life-threatening" scary. I think those two guys --- much later -- had some kind of reconciliation. But at the time.... awful, awful moment. Not something one would ever expect or want to see in a basketball game. OK, so Bynum's deplorable cheap shot didn't rise to that level, not close. But neither can it simply be excused as "Playoff Basketball". It wasn't within the flow of a tough, close game. It wasn't a hard hit through the lane. It was an assault. Big difference. Nothing sportsmanlike in that hit. Cheap, frustration, he deserves a significant suspension for it. I'd say Rambis getting close lined in Finals against Celtics was worse. Guy threw an elbow to midsection and knocked him on his ass. He didn't put him out of the game or playoffs. Was it stupid? Yeah--but it's a hard foul and everyone overreacts. Comparing this to Rudy T and Kermit Washington is just so ridiculous.  |
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Post by RDF on May 10, 2011 0:56:14 GMT -5
Bynum's hit may not have been the WORST I've ever seen, but it is in the top 5. And no, it was not common place to see that kind of cheap shot in the 80s, 70s, 60s. Who was that guy on Boston? Jim Luscutoff? Or something like that? He was the "hatchet man" on some otherwise great teams. I guess his coach, Hall of Famer Red Auerbach, accepted that level of tough play -- maybe demanded it. There didn't seem to be any other reason for JL to be on those Celts. Detroit's Bad Boys had some well known incidents, and Chocolate Thunder, Darryl Dawkins was involved in some bad incidents too. Heck, Maurice Lucas was Bill Walton's "protector" on the court. But the absolute worst I can ever recall, was Kermit Washington's sucker punch of Rudy Tomjanovich. That was REALLY scary. Like, "life-threatening" scary. I think those two guys --- much later -- had some kind of reconciliation. But at the time.... awful, awful moment. Not something one would ever expect or want to see in a basketball game. OK, so Bynum's deplorable cheap shot didn't rise to that level, not close. But neither can it simply be excused as "Playoff Basketball". It wasn't within the flow of a tough, close game. It wasn't a hard hit through the lane. It was an assault. Big difference. Nothing sportsmanlike in that hit. Cheap, frustration, he deserves a significant suspension for it. You also don't seem to remember the Rick Mahorn, Laimbeer, Barkely, Oakley, type of fouls that were given out. If a guy went to basket he was expected to get knocked on his ass and there wasn't any "anything above the shoulders is a flagrant foul" nonsense. It's part of the game. Now Bynum's play got what it deserved but everyone's acting like he injured the guy--Barea took a shot and made the hoop and has best laugh--his team kicked Bynum's ass, is moving on and has shot to win. Everyone overreacts when little guys get hit. Horry's shot on Nash was worse then what we saw on Sunday. |
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Post by RDF on May 10, 2011 1:02:26 GMT -5
RDF, yes and in the 70's too, and I don't agree. It would have been called a cheap hit back then. It was an awkward fall at an awkward angle and Barea is lucky to have landed without hurting his shoulder. Brasky, I admit I'm a homer for them and GU players. As I've stated before, I root their teams. Why not? We've discussed it before with you, RDF, etc... and you keep pointing it out as it was not known. Haha! 5'11" Barea dominated and frustrated the Lakers during his minutes in court. Phil J. said it, Bynum said it, the commentators, etc... He was a match-up nightmare for the Lakers. That's objective. PR small-ballers Joey Rodriguez and Napier recently looked great too (they're getting their shot to make the Olympic qualifying team). Yes, I wish we had someone with those cojones on our GU roster to lead the team. These are players with good handles, great basketball I.Q., don't look like deer-caught-in-headlights when they come in the game from the bench, penetrate and dish, and are not afraid to control the flow of the game. "Carmelo Poopancourt", dude? That's not objective. We both agree on the_way and his lovefest for all things Greg.  So what should Georgetown do--hold tryouts for Menudo? People hate the Lakers, so they overreact to everything they do. Robert Horry of Spurs cheapshotting Steve Nash on sideline was far worse. Anytime you drive to hoop you better understand that is a possibility--especially up that much late--which is why coaches dont' have guys go to the hole late with a huge lead. Is it right? Of course not-but it's not to be taken like nobody in world expected this was a possibility. Speaks to Bynum's flaws as a competitor he'd do this in a losing case and just not try to block the shot--but guys do stupid crap sometimes. This call for a 10-15 game suspension. Just stupid. It was a dumb thing by an immature player and nothing nearly as dangerous and physical as what used to take place. Maybe if they'd let these guys fight like we used to see--less guys would act like punks because someone might actually whip their ass. Bynum can't fight--he took a cowardly way out--but it's not like that was worst thing ever. |
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Post by RDF on May 10, 2011 1:05:37 GMT -5
I've said all along that the Celtics will go as far as Rondo takes them, and tonight a one-armed Rondo without the same-night adrenaline was a liability at the end of the game. Not helped by Garnett's inexplicable decision to submit a Bosh-like game of pansy outside jumpers instead of what worked so well in game 3, but Rondo's limitations allowed Miami to help off him enough that it really disrupted the Celtics offense. Difficult to see them winning 3 in a row to win this series. KG being KG. Always been this way and always will. That's why he's a great sidekick and a joke when he was called "The Franchise". Bosh preening after his putback/tip in in front of Ray Allen was his signature moment--for being what Chris Bosh is--a clown. Some guys just don't get it--and if that wasn't a reaction that was rehearsed.... Rondo getting injured hurt but old legs took over tonight. |
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Post by RDF on May 10, 2011 1:07:13 GMT -5
I had the good fortune to miss the game yesterday, since I was at a Mother's Day brunch. Coincidentally, though, I ducked out of the brunch around 2:30 to see what was happening in the game, and what do I see? Bynum's little love tap on Barea. But I say that facetiously. I don't mind rough play within the context of the game. But that wasn't a basketball play, and there is no place for it in the game. It was a bush move, as was Artest's similar elbow at the end of game 2 that got him suspended for game 3. The Lakers should be able to lose with a little more class than that. I haven't seen Odom's foul on Dirk, so I can't comment on that. This also marks the second consecutive road elimination game in which the Lakers have been pulverized (see Boston, 2008). Make of that what you will. One point that RDF made above is one that I have been telling people for a couple weeks. People think the Lakers are old? Look at Dallas. Terry and the decrepit Peja didn't exactly look old in this series, particularly yesterday, when they were making 15-16 threes. Unless you are the Jordan/Pippin Bulls, you can't win every year, and if there is NBA basketball in 2011-12, I expect to see the Lakers among the contenders again. I'm rooting for Dallas and the Bulls now. I have nothing against the Thunder and the Grizzlies, but the Dallas fans have paid their dues, and I really think it's now or never for that team, so I hope they get it done. I can't possibly root for the Celtics or the Heat (although I tip my hat to Rondo - he's one tough MF), and the Hawks are no-hopers, so that leaves the Bulls. Odom/Dirk thing was just stupid crap. Odom missed a FT, then took another "practice" FT and Dirk did the "KG block" and mavs were up 30--so Odom just throw a bow in Dirk's chest--and it was stupid play by Odom--but nothing that big of a deal. Got tossed so things wouldn't escalate which didn't happen because Bynum did his thing after that. |
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Post by hoyaLS05 on May 10, 2011 1:23:44 GMT -5
OKC's top four in minutes this season are, on average, younger than Pitt's top four. Wow.
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Post by RDF on May 10, 2011 1:53:40 GMT -5
For all of the bashing Westbrook has taken this postseason--Durant didn't really seem to want the ball too much when game was on the line--he got all "alpha male" once the work had been done--but Westbrook/Harden won this game for Thunder tonight. Durant's at that point where league wants him to join the elite stars of the game-but you have to do more then shoot jumpers if that is to happen--got to demand the ball and get your ass to the rim--with game on line--instead of when team has 6pt lead against opponent who has no perimeter threats left due to everyone fouling out. Battier is a great defender but he wasn't having to work too hard--just stood in front of Durant most of the 9 min he went awol and most of initial 2 OT's. Finally Durant decided to join the fray after work had been done. They have annointed him an elite star and he'll have to Edited that away to lose that status--but more games like tonight and those trips to FT line start shrinking--because he does nothing to draw fouls--he's given trips that stars get but hasn't earned it--yet. Up to him.
Grevis Vasquez was great tonight--kept Memphis in game and was fun game to watch-guys making shots/plays unlike the Boston/Miami game which was NBA version of Butler-UConn for most of 4th quarter. Lebron hit a few outstanding shots and Wade's shot was huge--but the sloppy turnovers in 4th/OT killed Celts.
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Post by HoyaFanNY on May 10, 2011 5:28:28 GMT -5
the celtics last possession of the 4th quarter was hoya-like.
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Post by EasyEd on May 10, 2011 10:09:42 GMT -5
Interesting statistics:
Durant, 35 points, 13 rebounds, 4 steals, 16-18 FTs
Kendrick Perkins, C, 4 points, 8 rebounds, fouled out
Marc Gasol, C, 26 points, 21 rebounds
Chris Bosh, PF, 20 points, 12 rebounds
Kevin Garnett, PF, 7 points, 10 rebounds
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Post by prhoya on May 10, 2011 10:26:35 GMT -5
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Post by DanMcQ on May 10, 2011 10:40:31 GMT -5
the celtics last possession of the 4th quarter was hoya-like. The Celtics postseason is becoming Hoya-like... ...PG suddenly must play with one arm ...ace shooting guard/forward suddenly can't shoot ...big men can't finish around the basket ...hmmm - it must be the offensive scheme...  |
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Post by rosslynhoya on May 10, 2011 10:49:05 GMT -5
the celtics last possession of the 4th quarter was hoya-like. The Celtics postseason is becoming Hoya-like... ...PG suddenly must play with one arm ...ace shooting guard/forward suddenly can't shoot ...big men can't finish around the basket ...hmmm - it must be the offensive scheme... That, or because JT2 is still pulling the puppet strings up in Boston thirty-five years later. When will Doc Rivers become his own man and step out of a completely unrelated individual's shadow?  |
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Post by RDF on May 10, 2011 11:06:11 GMT -5
Interesting statistics: Durant, 35 points, 13 rebounds, 4 steals, 16-18 FTs Kendrick Perkins, C, 4 points, 8 rebounds, fouled out Marc Gasol, C, 26 points, 21 rebounds Chris Bosh, PF, 20 points, 12 rebounds Kevin Garnett, PF, 7 points, 10 rebounds People who judge how guys played based off stat lines deleted. So we know how Ed judges things. Perkins is never going to win a statistical battle-but his teams win games. He's biggest difference in OKC--due to him allowing Ibaka to take Jeff's spot and providing what is needed. Bosh biggest plays come off fact entire Celtic team has to overreact to how Wade/Lebron drive the lane and Heat had Celtics in penalty with 7 min left in 4th quarter. A tip in being 7'0 against Ray Allen when game is already decided hardly is impressive. Then again-Bosh/KG aren't that different--as I've always pointed out. Garnett has/was never a franchise caliber player--he's a great "supporting guy" but not the guy because he's incapable of scoring consistently and doesn't play in paint like he should--which is exactly how Bosh plays, although KG is vastly superior in terms of defensive ability--which makes Bosh a homeless version of Dirk--only in a homosexual avatar body. Durant's performance in a 63 minute game wasn't the stuff of legend/what league wants him to be. He's got to do it and will get shot but he was a disappointment last night. That guy was nowhere to be found until Thunder had game wrapped up in triple OT. Westbrook and Harden saved their season and Durant was standing in the corner watching. |
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