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Post by RDF on Jun 13, 2011 0:46:36 GMT -5
Alleninxis---if you are waiting for Wade to be "healthy"--you'll be waiting for rest of your life. Wade is the guy who is teflon--and he was biggest jackass in this Series. He was awful tonight. I thought he was worst of Big 3 and he'll get protected for getting a "ring" that shouldn't matter--he's done nothing since Shaq and Zo left. He was main guy of the organized move to Miami (anyone find it funny Lebron wanted to change his number to "honor" Jordan--when Miami retired Jordan's number and this was done with James in Cleveland) and he's thrown Bosh under the bus, watched as Lebron carried that team past Boston/Chicago--minus his 4th Quarter in game 5 where he was the "hero" after his made up shoulder crap. Then he acts like a d-bag prior to Game 5 and loses the pivotal game with his gag a the FT line, he was a no show tonight, and turned ball over like Dominic James-like carelessness. Must be a "creepy thing"--and hopefully Creepy Crean is working on selling Wade's shoulder implant for a fund raiser soon. Eff Wade
Bosh showed up in 4th on offense--but his defense sucks. He can't guard the paint, small guards finish at rim in his face and he doesn't board. He also was atrocious for the opening 2 games--especially when you consider the lack of efficiency.
Lebron--victim of joining an organization that everyone despises. There is just something about the Heat that is so lame--and I mentioned this when he signed there. It's a waste of a great player being in that rat hole. They have no fans (Mark Cuban's comment postgame is LEGENDARY in regards to what he said about fans) and they are using white sheets to cover up empty seats (not for a whiteout) in the friggin NBA FINALS!! Get Lebron outta there ASAP! I realize that won't happen but just hate seeing him wasted in a place that doesn't even get excited to have the Finals in town.
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Post by RDF on Jun 13, 2011 0:58:46 GMT -5
Now to the champs---BRAVO! Rick Carlisle summed it up--they had BILLIONS of supporters and felt it--and they got it done. Nothing like seeing arrogance put in it's place.
As for the Mavs--deep team and one of the best basketball minds working for them--Tim Grugrich (sp?) who just loves the game and is a great coach. Better team won, deeper team won, and team that was toughest won-they had to fight/claw to steal some games in each series and it paid off when it mattered. From Barea/Terry finding their games when starting otu slow, to role players coming up huge (DeShawn Stevenson quietly had a huge series shooting" and to the star who stayed--Dirk who could've left this Summer, stays and carries team to championship. Started slow but finished them off in the 4th and in Finals, Dirk had 62 4th Quarter pts and Lebron/Wade combined for 62. That's Series summed up.
Just glad that Dirk walked off court to have private moment and not put up with the phony postgame embrace--that was cool! Then he came out to celebrate with teammates and enjoy it--but avoided the bullcrap Wade would lay on him and he stuck it up their ass.
NBA is back in big way and it's not going to get any easier with young stars aiming to stake their claim. The great ones rise to the top and seeing who of the next generation does this will be fun--but to do that, the Kobe's Dirks, Celtics, won't be stepping out of the way to make it easy. Everything Heat had along way was too easy and to me that proved to be difference in Finals--the team that had to work harder/earn tougher wins was tested/wouldn't go away in 4th and Heat were staggered when an opponent wouldn't miss/quit.
BIG D got it done and congrats!
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Post by TBird41 on Jun 13, 2011 1:38:41 GMT -5
Posnanski just crushes the Heat/LeBron: joeposnanski.blogspot.com/2011/06/feeling-heat.html#more"But the way it ended made me feel like the whole season of rooting against Miami was kind of pointless. Sure, the Heat came close. Sure, the Heat overwhelmed teams at times. Sure the Heat got to the brink of the most brazen championship in recent memory. But, then it got too hard. And the way it ended make me feel like this Miami Heat team, with LeBron James playing the lead, wasn't really good enough to be worth my disdain. "
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Post by DanMcQ on Jun 13, 2011 8:20:27 GMT -5
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Post by RDF on Jun 13, 2011 11:08:27 GMT -5
Sadly, the majority of club patrons probably thought "Man those soccer players are tall". As for the move--love it! That's the ultimate Eff You to Heat. We'll win on your homecourt, and then take our party to your city. Love it. Any truth to rumor that Wade might miss '12 season with an infected tear duct? ;D
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Post by hoyarooter on Jun 13, 2011 11:39:21 GMT -5
Lost in all this is that the Mavs won despite having lost at midseason the player I considered to be their second best player - Caron Butler.
I'm really happy for the Mavs and their fans, and it was an incredibly classy move by Cuban last night having the trophy presented to Donald Carter. Totally agree with RDF that the Mavs being battle tested made the difference. As I wrote after they beat the Lakers, there was just something about this team - except for the one collapse against Portland, it seemed like every time a game was on the line down the stretch, they came through big time.
I expect both the Heat and the Bulls to get better, and look forward to some knockdown dragout battles between those two teams (barring injuries) down the road to see who represents the East in the finals.
As for Dirk 62 - Wade/James 62 - that's a bit misleading, given that one of Wade/James had more than 3/4 of those points. LeBron had a really lousy series. That doesn't mean he isn't the best player in the league - he is. He was clearly the Heat's best player against the Celtics and Bulls. But his finals failure is going to mean more criticism heaped on his shoulders - and if the presser last night is any indication, I don't expect him to handle it real well.
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Post by rosslynhoya on Jun 13, 2011 12:50:13 GMT -5
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Post by prhoya on Jun 13, 2011 13:11:56 GMT -5
"JJ Barea, well, what's really left to say? If you ever had a vivid and horrible nightmare about losing a basketball game, Barea was the guy making the winning shot." ;D
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Post by RDF on Jun 13, 2011 13:41:19 GMT -5
"JJ Barea, well, what's really left to say? If you ever had a vivid and horrible nightmare about losing a basketball game, Barea was the guy making the winning shot." ;D Gotta give JJ major credit for finding his game--he was awful in Games 1-3 and then put it together in time to help save the season. PRHoya---PUERTO RICAN PRIDE on display with Barea rocking the flag in postgame! Knew you would be smiling/loving that! Rooter-good point about the "something about them" angle and you can use Portland series as first sign--that blown 23 pt lead loss would've crushed the Mavs in past--but it almost got to point that it was "Now or Never" and they just wouldn't quit. That Laker Series Game 1 was like Heat losing Game 2 of Finals. It didn't end the series-but it gave Dallas the belief they would win it--instead of hoping they could. Took it from there and just outfought Miami. Eff Wade--I know he played better then Lebron but he's got nothing to lose in this--and he knew this--which is why he's protected by all. He was same jackass that posed/preened in front of their Bench in Game 2, then mocked Dirk prior to Game 5, and then did what jerkoffs do and he does routinely--embelish his injury and leave the court only to "return" to be the "hero". He sucked last night and couldn't be happier to see 1 person lose. He's gone from a hard working, likeable player to a pompous jackass and to paraphrase him: The World got what they wanted--the Heat Lost! ;D
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Post by prhoya on Jun 13, 2011 15:03:34 GMT -5
Congrats to the Mavs!!! Kudos to Rick Carlisle for making great decisions throughout the playoffs to get the team to the Championship. From dealing with the loss of a key player to making offensive and defensive adjustments throughout the games to getting the most of your players and effectively using the entire roster. This should be a lesson for all coaches and players on what makes a TEAM reach the top. According to Jon Barry and the rest of the ESPN crew, his key decision was changing his starting line-up after Game 3 of the Finals by bringing in Barea to create havoc. Result: 3-0 the rest of the way. Kudos to Cuban for staying out of the way like an owner should! Now he gets to enjoy it. Lesson for the Redskins owner? Kudos to the players for behaving as a team, playing hard for each other, maintaining team chemistry and not pouting after Carlisle changed line-ups! Finally, kudos to Barea! ;D He just became a very rich man. At $1.8M, he was a bargain. Cuban, Carlisle and the Mavs got a great price/value. Time to pay up. After what he did in the playoffs, players like ex-VCU's J. Rodríguez and other small ballers with exceptional skills, great bball I.Q., team-first mentalities and big cojones (no fear/full of confidence) will get second looks instead of getting dismissed because of their physical traits. Barea playing defense on Bosh or Lebron; frustrating Lebron into pushing him off for a charge; taking it to the Big 3 or body-checking them for screens or before passing; the double-teaming of Barea on the perimeter or paint and then his splitting or going around it for some positive offensive result... amusing, inspiring and awesome!!!
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Post by prhoya on Jun 13, 2011 15:25:08 GMT -5
Gotta give JJ major credit for finding his game--he was awful in Games 1-3 and then put it together in time to help save the season. (Oops! I saw your post after posting mine) It was a matter of settling down and Carlisle making the adjustment to insert him in the starting line-up to exploit his strenghts, change the pace of how the first 3 games had gone, create havoc and frustrate the Heat, their bench, their coach, and their fans. Then, Carlisle had the luxury of inserting Terry and Stevenson off the bench with a tiring Heat team. After that, the 3's started to go in. By Game 6's 4th quarter, the spacing for the Mavs was excellent and it was a result of tired Heat players not having the energy to pursue as they had done in the first games of the series. His defense was great too for a 5'10" or any other sized player. Mario C and Wade clearly got away with putting their shoulders down or pushing off Barea, but Lebron did not. They're probably as frustrated as Bynum or Kobe. The Heat were prepared for J.J. off the bench, not the other way around. Great move by Carlisle!
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jun 13, 2011 15:35:17 GMT -5
Glad it ended the way it ended, particularly for Dirk. Agree with those who point out that Dallas is a team -- with a lot of players willing to play roles and defense at this point in their careers (Chandler, Marion, Kidd, etc.).
That said, these playoffs were hardly an crowning of TEAM over INDIVIDUALS as the Heat made it about as far as you can get without winning. And they seemed to lose because, well, what happened to LeBron?
I know people want to say I told you so over LeBron, but I'm still flabbergasted. It's one thing to not be as good a crunch time player as Kobe or Jordan or Wade or Dirk or whomever... it's another to disappear completely. For the second year in a row.
This isn't he's not a winner, or choking under pressure. It's not even TRYING. I'm baffled. And it's not like he does it every series. Just those two. The Mavs put Jason Kidd on him and he just lazed around. Jason Kidd! One on One!
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Post by prhoya on Jun 13, 2011 15:55:07 GMT -5
Eff Wade--I know he played better then Lebron but he's got nothing to lose in this--and he knew this--which is why he's protected by all. He was same jackass that posed/preened in front of their Bench in Game 2, then mocked Dirk prior to Game 5, and then did what jerkoffs do and he does routinely--embelish his injury and leave the court only to "return" to be the "hero". He sucked last night and couldn't be happier to see 1 person lose. He's gone from a hard working, likeable player to a pompous jackass and to paraphrase him: The World got what they wanted--the Heat Lost! ;D I bet you loved the play where Barea penetrated the paint, bumped Wade who was coming in from the side to stop his penetration, and passed to Chandler for the alley-oop/lay-up. The slow mo shows Wade's one of many flops!! Yes, the NBA is turning into Italian soccer. Everyone is acting and complaining throughout the game. As someone who hadn't watched NBA basketball in some time, I think it is gotten worse and makes sports fans like me stay away. It's up to the league to stop it. Maybe it could try a 1-year experiment with replay where the refs could go to the replay tv (the same they use now to look whether it was a 3 or not), look at borderline flagrant fouls (like the one by Howard) or flops, and change their calls. Or, to take the refs' discretion away, give the coaches a small number of challenges to calls for each half, or whatever. The game is already stopped for a FT or to be taken out of bounds, so it's not like it would interrupt the flow of the game. Plus, it's not like in football where the replay monitor is 30 yards away. The replay would also be shown to the fans at the arena on the local Jumbotron, just like it is shown to fans sitting in front of their tv's. Fans at the Dallas arena would applaud a change of call in Howard's case. Another example would be reversing a foul call after watching Wade or Lebron flop or throw up their arms without contact. Even in Miami's Arena, the fans and Lebron/Wade would not complain and just smile a little if a foul call is reversed after witnessing the slow mo acting on the Jumbotron. The players would be exposed, it would reduce the acting, the game would be called correctly and it's fair for both sides, even if you don't have a "superstar" or three on your team. Maybe some NBA fans around here can tell us if the league (the owners) considers it a problem and is planning to do something about it. During one of the Finals games, one of the commentators went on and on about it. So, at least, the issue is getting more and more exposure.
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Post by hoyarooter on Jun 13, 2011 18:10:43 GMT -5
Barea kills me, and I say that in a totally positive way. He drove me crazy in the Laker series, but it was because he played so well, and no other reason. That play last night where LeBron got called for the charge, it was like an elephant running over a flea. I just sat there and laughed. And earlier on, Chalmers should have been called for a foul when he elbowed Barea, and I thought Barea was going to go flying into the Atlantic Ocean the way he careened away.
The startling thing about the Barea/Stevenson switch was that they both played better offensively after the change was made. Huge, huge props to Carlisle for rolling the dice there and hitting a seven.
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Post by MCIGuy on Jun 13, 2011 18:50:12 GMT -5
Great series. I found there were reasons to root for both teams (seriously it was overkill with what the Heat and the city of Miami had to put up from a spiteful nation). Can't complain about the outcome though. Congrats to Dirk and the gang. Maybe Chicago should have gone after Dirk last summer during free agency instead of LeBron and Boozer.
With that said I hope the guys on the Heat grow up and get over this. It is time for LBJ to man up and do what it takes to win a ring.
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Post by strummer8526 on Jun 13, 2011 18:53:43 GMT -5
Glad it ended the way it ended, particularly for Dirk. Agree with those who point out that Dallas is a team -- with a lot of players willing to play roles and defense at this point in their careers (Chandler, Marion, Kidd, etc.). That said, these playoffs were hardly an crowning of TEAM over INDIVIDUALS as the Heat made it about as far as you can get without winning. And they seemed to lose because, well, what happened to LeBron? I know people want to say I told you so over LeBron, but I'm still flabbergasted. It's one thing to not be as good a crunch time player as Kobe or Jordan or Wade or Dirk or whomever... it's another to disappear completely. For the second year in a row. This isn't he's not a winner, or choking under pressure. It's not even TRYING. I'm baffled. And it's not like he does it every series. Just those two. The Mavs put Jason Kidd on him and he just lazed around. Jason Kidd! One on One! I thought the same thing about LeBron down the stretch. How many times did you hear a commentator say that Mario Chalmers did something with the ball in the last 5-10 minutes? This is a win-or-go-home NBA Finals game. In the last five minutes, every play should be run for Wade and LeBron. Instead, Wade's dribbling the ball out of bounds, Chalmers is all over the place, and LeBron is already in the locker room changing into his street clothes.
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Post by DanMcQ on Jun 13, 2011 21:08:01 GMT -5
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Post by RusskyHoya on Jun 13, 2011 21:49:39 GMT -5
No, he's just bitter. Not much else to it. Nah, that's not bitter. THIS is bitter. At least the Heat can take solace in the fact that Chris Bosh got them all named honorary citizens of Pandora?
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Post by DanMcQ on Jun 13, 2011 23:45:10 GMT -5
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