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Post by HoyasAreHungry on Apr 10, 2011 8:05:55 GMT -5
why anyone is questioning whether we want this kid or whether he would fit in is insane.
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Post by bronxhoya87 on Apr 10, 2011 8:11:24 GMT -5
The majority of this board lacks bball IQ and has no idea how you build a successful program. The idea of Porter and Whittington coming in together should be a major selling point by the staff to Porter. Competition makes everyone better. Blue chippers want to play with other blue chippers.
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Post by geedell on Apr 10, 2011 8:24:34 GMT -5
I'm curious how he would fit in with Whittington (and I'd guess he's asking himself the same question)? From what I can read, they sound like much the same player, with Whittington have perhaps a longer range. I'm always a bit cautious about big guys coming in from nowhere. Is he going to be able to board when the opposing players are just as big and are used to playing more physical than he's seen? Or is it going to be a work in progress? I don't know much about either; it just looks to me like they're the same body type and with similar games. A 6'9 forward who can run the floor, handle and has an awesome mid-range game...you find a way to make it work |
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Post by Filo on Apr 10, 2011 9:16:28 GMT -5
The majority of this board lacks bball IQ and has no idea how you build a successful program. The idea of Porter and Whittington coming in together should be a major selling point by the staff to Porter. Competition makes everyone better. Blue chippers want to play with other blue chippers. Thanks, Red Auerbach. We all appreciate the learnin'. |
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Post by EtomicB on Apr 10, 2011 9:18:52 GMT -5
The majority of this board lacks bball IQ and has no idea how you build a successful program. The idea of Porter and Whittington coming in together should be a major selling point by the staff to Porter. Competition makes everyone better. Blue chippers want to play with other blue chippers. You blur the lines again though Bronx... Competition is great for any team however you'd like that "comp" to be between different classmates as much as possible when it comes to positions. Blue chipper's do want to play with other blue chipper's but they'd prefer it to be at different spots on the floor. look at the last few classes the staff has brought in position wise not talent level(see I know how you think.. Ha!)the kids almost always play different positions. The staff selling Porter on competing for minutes with another incoming freshmen who plays the same spot is not a good look to me, especially when that position is already filled by an established player. The minutes at the 3 are short already. You can tell me Porter is better but until they hit the court and get acclimated to the system nobody knows for sure who will fit better. Kids want to PLAY! Plain and simple. Look at the situation with the Hinds kid you love. WVU got verbals from him and the Boatright kid from Chicago(who is a player!) so Boatright decided to go Uconn instead. My guess is the staff is selling him on the versatility of the system and how he'll be able to develop his overall skills because he'll play with and without the ball, inside and outside ect.... |
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Post by calhoya on Apr 10, 2011 9:28:42 GMT -5
The majority of this board lacks bball IQ and has no idea how you build a successful program. The idea of Porter and Whittington coming in together should be a major selling point by the staff to Porter. Competition makes everyone better. Blue chippers want to play with other blue chippers. You blur the lines again though Bronx... Competition is great for any team however you'd like that "comp" to be between different classmates as much as possible when it comes to positions. Blue chipper's do want to play with other blue chipper's but they'd prefer it to be at different spots on the floor. look at the last few classes the staff has brought in position wise not talent level(see I know how you think.. Ha!)the kids almost always play different positions. The staff selling Porter on competing for minutes with another incoming freshmen who plays the same spot is not a good look to me, especially when that position is already filled by an established player. The minutes at the 3 are short already. You can tell me Porter is better but until they hit the court and get acclimated to the system nobody knows for sure who will fit better. Kids want to PLAY! Plain and simple. Look at the situation with the Hinds kid you love. WVU got verbals from him and the Boatright kid from Chicago(who is a player!) so Boatright decided to go Uconn instead. My guess is the staff is selling him on the versatility of the system and how he'll be able to develop his overall skills because he'll play with and without the ball, inside and outside ect.... Totally agree. Kids are looking for opportunity to play--sooner than later. Rarely do you see two comparably ranked players at the same position join a program together--unless one is interested/willing to convert or learn a new position. Right now, it seems to me that the Hoyas need a quality point guard in either 2011 or 2012. Of course with all the speculation about no scholarships and transfers, perhaps there is another need we don't know about yet. |
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Post by idhoya on Apr 10, 2011 9:33:35 GMT -5
interchangeable
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Post by hoyasexy on Apr 10, 2011 9:44:14 GMT -5
This. Otto and Greg, if as advertised, will see plenty of time on the floor together. Haven't heard a great deal about their defense (we never do, as most recruitniks tend to focus exclusively on offense), but so long as one of them can guard a 4, there should be no reason why they can't play together. |
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Post by wahoohoya on Apr 10, 2011 9:44:26 GMT -5
Question from someone who certainly lacks bball IQ - could Porter also play some time at the 4 in our system?
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Post by blueandgray on Apr 10, 2011 9:54:53 GMT -5
I'm curious how he would fit in with Whittington (and I'd guess he's asking himself the same question)? From what I can read, they sound like much the same player, with Whittington have perhaps a longer range. I'm always a bit cautious about big guys coming in from nowhere. Is he going to be able to board when the opposing players are just as big and are used to playing more physical than he's seen? Or is it going to be a work in progress? I don't know much about either; it just looks to me like they're the same body type and with similar games. Whittington plays 10 minutes a game. Porter plays 30 a game. |
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Post by guru on Apr 10, 2011 10:03:08 GMT -5
This. Otto and Greg, if as advertised, will see plenty of time on the floor together. Haven't heard a great deal about their defense (we never do, as most recruitniks tend to focus exclusively on offense), but so long as one of them can guard a 4, there should be no reason why they can't play together. We're not getting Porter. I would love to see him as a Hoya, too, but it's not going to happen. |
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Post by alleninxis on Apr 10, 2011 10:17:59 GMT -5
posted already
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Post by SirSaxa on Apr 10, 2011 10:22:22 GMT -5
Excerpt from your second link: Scott County Central standout Otto Porter, considered Mike Anderson’s top target until he left for Arkansas, also remains on Missouri’s recruiting radar. Haith has spoken to his coach, Kenyon Wright, but as of Friday had not contacted Porter.
“When I talked to him on the phone, it sounded like he was interested, but it sounded like he had some other stuff going on,” Wright said.
The 6-9, 200-pound Porter is ranked 31st overall in the latest ESPNU 100. He is also considering Kansas and Georgetown.
As for where Missouri stands compared to hisother suitors, Porter said, “It’s impossible to know until I talk to Coach.” Reading the comments above, it doesn't sound like Haith is making Porter a priority. Maybe it will come down to GU v KU. |
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Post by SirSaxa on Apr 10, 2011 10:23:59 GMT -5
Did see Otto at the wizards tonight game with Markel and some of the other players. Saw coach Thompson but he was sitting at the end of the row Thanks for the update. Let's hope all the kids had a great time! Otto - you could be playing your home games there! BE A HOYA! |
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Post by sleepy on Apr 10, 2011 10:24:53 GMT -5
agree guru i'd be shocked if we got a commitment from Otto. The good thing is that it is obvious that the coach realizes that he needs to drastically improve talent. athleticsm, and length and do it now.
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Post by EtomicB on Apr 10, 2011 10:27:26 GMT -5
This. Otto and Greg, if as advertised, will see plenty of time on the floor together. Haven't heard a great deal about their defense (we never do, as most recruitniks tend to focus exclusively on offense), but so long as one of them can guard a 4, there should be no reason why they can't play together. We're not getting Porter. I would love to see him as a Hoya, too, but it's not going to happen. Why do think this Guru? Is it cause the team loses out on recruits most times? Do you think the KU pull is too strong? |
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Post by wahoohoya on Apr 10, 2011 10:28:53 GMT -5
This. Otto and Greg, if as advertised, will see plenty of time on the floor together. Haven't heard a great deal about their defense (we never do, as most recruitniks tend to focus exclusively on offense), but so long as one of them can guard a 4, there should be no reason why they can't play together. We're not getting Porter. I would love to see him as a Hoya, too, but it's not going to happen. Why do you say that? I'm not necessarily optimistic but we do have specific advantages over the other two - namely academics and the Gtown family - that could ring true with the Porters. Kid seems grounded enough not to be swayed by negative recruiting and misperceptions of our system. So to me it's really a matter of his comfort being away from home. |
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Post by blueandgray on Apr 10, 2011 10:37:31 GMT -5
not to mention that he'd be playing in the big east and we've had as much success getting bigs to the league as anyone.
i'd put our chances at landing otto somewhere under 50% but more than what some on this board are suggesting. in the end, i wouldn't be shocked as i think we have a legit shot at him.
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Post by wahoohoya on Apr 10, 2011 10:42:56 GMT -5
agree guru i'd be shocked if we got a commitment from Otto. The good thing is that it is obvious that the coach realizes that he needs to drastically improve talent. athleticsm, and length and do it now. Given who we've been targeting (mostly unsuccessfully) the past few years, I don't think this is a new development. I think our big disadvantage landing elite athletic wings is that we have no track record putting guys like this in the league (who actually play) - mostly because we don't get that talent. We likely need to show that a guy like Hollis or Whittington can excel in our system and become a first round pick before we become more attractive to elite SFs. Wouldn't hurt if we could put some guards in the league as well. |
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Post by swhoya on Apr 10, 2011 11:04:38 GMT -5
The majority of this board lacks bball IQ and has no idea how you build a successful program. The idea of Porter and Whittington coming in together should be a major selling point by the staff to Porter. Competition makes everyone better. Blue chippers want to play with other blue chippers. Man...I was asking a genuine question. I haven't seen either play, so they could either compliment each other, or not. Blue chips may want to play with blue chips, but not necessarily if that other blue chip is going to take away PT. And you act like all these kids are the exact same, think the same way, etc. They don't. You need to get over yourself. If you were such a basketball genius, you'd be running a major program and getting paid much more than you are being paid now, for whatever it is you do (which ain't basketball). You certainly wouldn't have time to be posting on boards like this so much. Someone comes on and asks a legitimate question, and you take it as an opportunity to 1) insult everyone else, and 2) act like you know something you don't. I read through this thread a bit, and as others have said, maybe your perspective adds something. The fact you express it like a ten year old trying to cover a serious self esteem issue...well, no one wants to read it. Try talking like a grown up that went to Georgetown, and people will respect your opinion a whole lot more. |
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