DanMcQ
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Post by DanMcQ on Apr 5, 2010 22:44:25 GMT -5
In a two point game, getting a few of your usual calls can be all the difference.
That said, you're not going to win too many national championship games shooting 34% from the field.
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seaweed
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Post by seaweed on Apr 5, 2010 22:45:04 GMT -5
only bright side is I already turned CBS off for 11.25 months
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Post by happyhoya1979 on Apr 5, 2010 22:45:33 GMT -5
I am donating my Duke winnings from my bracket to charity this year. I have to feel clean.
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Post by jagtrader on Apr 5, 2010 22:46:08 GMT -5
It would have been pretty sweet to see a team lose a national title because of a free throw it missed on purpose.
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Post by CAHoya07 on Apr 5, 2010 22:47:04 GMT -5
Oh what could have been...
With 3.6 seconds left, I was thinking how awesome it would be if Duke were the team to get "Laettner'd." It almost happened in a much different, spectacular fashion.
Helluva game, Butler.
Not gonna happen, but I hope Coach K takes the Nets job and leaves the Duke program in shambles.
Only slightly more realistically, I hope Duke does what UNC did this past year and completely tanks in their title defense. Pretty unlikely though, with Singler and Smith as seniors.
Duke = Evil. Crushing the dreams of every little school out there. It would have been an ending for all time.
Ugh.
Minus the Hoyas' flop, great tournament though. Just say no to expansion.
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Post by paranoia2 on Apr 5, 2010 22:48:22 GMT -5
Cahill restrained himself. The game played out well the last 10 minutes. Howard is a good dude. He beat the hell out of Duke's entire post rotation. And his decking of Singler was a thing of beauty. Like a parting gift when you didn't win on the old game shows.
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hoyaalf
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Post by hoyaalf on Apr 5, 2010 22:49:33 GMT -5
Please.
The world's greatest college program in history [ask them] just barely beat a tiny college from the mid-west.
I can't tell you how impressed I am.
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Post by PhillyHoya on Apr 5, 2010 22:51:10 GMT -5
Geez, I knew I should have watched Monday Night Raw tonight....... It wasn't that good tonight. Dancing With the Stars kept my attention more.
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DanMcQ
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Post by DanMcQ on Apr 5, 2010 22:52:36 GMT -5
Did Ochocinco go in the right direction this time?
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PhillyHoya
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Post by PhillyHoya on Apr 5, 2010 22:57:08 GMT -5
Austin on Twitter: So @tylawson3 last Year @ndotsmitty this yr....so ya kno wat that means nxt yr lol.....@cwright_4 @jcdueceuno @simsity30 @gmonroe_10? (Lol)
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Post by gujake on Apr 5, 2010 22:59:18 GMT -5
It would have been pretty sweet to see a team lose a national title because of a free throw it missed on purpose. Not to get off-topic on the Duke-hating, but do any of the stat-heads have an opinion on this? It seemed like a curious decision to me. Wouldn't it have to be more than 2x as likely for Butler to score on a made shot than on a missed shot to make it worth it? Obviously there are a bunch of other possible factors to work into the equation, but if anything I think it might have to be quite a bit more than 2x because of (1) Duke's ability to foul on purpose if up by 3 and (2) the chance Duke mistakenly fouls if up 2 and Butler hits both free throws.
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Post by Eurostar on Apr 5, 2010 23:15:46 GMT -5
Honestly, Duke has improved a lot this season from beginning to end. Zoubek was a big time project coming in but in the 2nd half of the season when he started playing better and getting more minutes I think Duke became a much better team.
That being said Zoubek, please know that youre still a tool. No one should full body fist pump after making the first of two free throws with 4 seconds left in the national championship game. If Hayward had hit that half court shot we would finally have something to supplant the Laettner shot.
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Post by FLHoya on Apr 5, 2010 23:31:10 GMT -5
One interesting game there. Nobody's ever going to use this game tape to coach offense to young'ns at a summer camp (how far has jump shooting fallen across the board in the past 20 years?), but both teams got after it. It would have still made a good 80s movie ending that makes you think--just add Matt Howard getting a girlfriend/a former girlfriend to come back and a Kenny Loggins song over the credits and it'll do.
What impressed me about Butler--they didn't quit on it when the shots weren't falling in the final 10 minutes. The comment a few hours ago was spot on--this looked the whole night like a game that Duke would run away with if they could ever get two 3's in a row. But every time Duke got the lead to 4-6 points in the second half, Butler tightened up the D. Seemed like they were making key stops forever in the second half.
Sadly...and this is probably a commentary on college basketball in 2010...they never seemed to have the juice to make a decisive run this time.
Butler seemed to have an offensive gameplan and goshdarnit they were stickin' to it--clear out the lane and attack Duke's MTM defense off the dribble. Another thing they stuck with even when it wasn't paying off--they were verrrrrrrry timid early on, settling for some questionable off balance shots and playing scared of Duke's size. Once they realized they could get to the rim most times though, it was game on.
BUT--this was the missing piece for me--what else did they have? I picked Butler to beat Syracuse because I liked their ball movement on the perimeter when they played us in NYC. I thought--there's a team that will share the ball and always get good open shots against any rigid defense. They didn't have that tonight. It was all attacking the rim--if the shot gets blocked, oh well, get after the loose ball and try again next time. If you have to take a bump and a contested shot, maybe there's a bailout call (not likely tonight, officials called it loosely).
Maybe it's because Duke was sticking to its guns and not bringing help defense on the drives, so the reversals weren't there...if that's the case, good on Duke. In those last few minutes when Butler scored off the drive/dish and pick and roll on two straight possessions, that was straight up beautiful and the first time all night I wondered if Duke really had something to think about besides whether they had an athletic advantage.
It was always going to be that last play (not the halfcourt shot) for Butler wasn't it? Both teams got what they wanted there, so I guess in the end nobody can complain. Just wonder what if.
I cannot recommend highly enough watching a FF game without sound. It is superb, and one gets to make their own judgments on key plays and key calls. The officiating--a solid B tonight.
The outcome--not the stuff dreams are made of. Although let's be honest--everyone was going to diss the Nat'l champ on some level this year if the school didn't start with a K.
Further, let's be honest: college basketball needs a heel.
It'll make it that much better when the title belt changes hands.
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Post by RDF on Apr 5, 2010 23:31:19 GMT -5
Butler is what Duke was--only they are from CinderFELLA school so everyone loves the "underdog". They flop, hold, and get help from officials. These guys played 22 of a possible 40 second half minutes of a Final Four without making a FG. That is AWFUL BASKETBALL--and yet they come out of the tournament even due to FT's. Question is--how does a perimeter oriented team get to the FT line so much? They drive but get their stuff swatted or miss easy shots, so why the calls?
Duke--everyone knows I can't stand them--but they got it done in an atmosphere that most wouldn't. That is toughness. They found a way to win and they took advantage of a bracket that was easy---and most teams didn't. Kentucky lost to a team Duke beat by 20+ points and WVU was lucky to be within 8 at Half when Butler was healthy.
This was another CBS "created" classic game involving Butler-where Bulldogs miss shots, hold the ball, hope the refs help them--Matt Howard spends more time on his back then a prostitute, and game is close. That doesn't make a great game. It was fitting of this season in CBB and the team who was best coached in terms of developing marginal players--Lance Thomas and Brian Zoubek won a National Title playing significant roles---and winning games they should won. It wasn't about talent this year--it was about effort and maintaining focus and Duke did that.
Like em or not--they got National Title #4 and have maintained their program at a level that John Thompson SHOULD HAVE while coaching Georgetown. It's exactly why some of us are bitter about his laziness on recruiting trail after 1989, and while he built a an elite program--he also helped bring it back to pack.
PLAYERS win games, and having a team that develops their players to their fullest consistently keeps you in hunt-if you keep knocking on the door-you will break it down eventually--which Duke has proven.
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Post by DanMcQ on Apr 5, 2010 23:32:58 GMT -5
On a more serious note: Duke does not win this game without Kyle Singler's game long defense on Gordon Hayward.
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Post by DanMcQ on Apr 5, 2010 23:36:37 GMT -5
Encouraging to see they burn couches in Durham too. Must be an ACC tradition.
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Apr 5, 2010 23:43:39 GMT -5
Despite the closeness of the score, the game never turned in the second half even for a minute, it seemed. Butler was consistently playing down 1, 3, or 5, it seemed. While close, they didn't really put Duke back on their heels to have to make plays down 3 or 4. Not a surprising outcome even when you consider how the game went minute to minute. Disgusting nonetheless.
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Post by westendhoya on Apr 5, 2010 23:51:22 GMT -5
"@coachkays: Don't worry, next years One Shining Moment will be a 3 minutes of song displaying 96 dollar signs." Pretty Funny
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Post by wrestlemania on Apr 5, 2010 23:52:50 GMT -5
Geez, I knew I should have watched Monday Night Raw tonight....... It wasn't that good tonight. Dancing With the Stars kept my attention more. I really miss Lesnar -- some of the stuff they do on DWTS reminds me of the F-5. Vitale's green jacket is bad -- as in Long Island or Cleveland bad. RDF basically has it right -- frankly, the Butler brand of hoops looks a lot like the women's game -- I pull for the underdog but that's not the right direction for men's hoops.
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Post by njhoya06 on Apr 6, 2010 0:19:06 GMT -5
Pretty embarrassing performance by DanMcQ whining about the officials in the thread tonight
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