blueandgray
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Post by blueandgray on Mar 19, 2010 10:30:54 GMT -5
i don't get why so many people are going with the "greg is gone" scenario. by staying his sophmore year he propably improved his draft status by 5 or 6 picks. by staying his junior year he'd likely improve it by another 5 or 6 picks. in the meantime, he'd be the leading candiate for BE POY, a BE regular season chanpionship, BE tourney championship, and could make a run at a FF. To me, and probably to greg, that's worth more than a couple of bucks and some splinters.
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Post by Dhall on Mar 19, 2010 10:33:27 GMT -5
Aren't the Hoyas also going to Hawaii next year for a preseason tourney? Sure, he could buy a place in Hawaii if he went pro, but to a college kid the trip with his friends like that is still pretty cool.
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Post by detmut on Mar 19, 2010 10:33:52 GMT -5
A big we lose to Indiana...which is embarassing. Monroe, Vaughn, Benimon, Lubick, Sims and we're in serious play for Maurice Walker. How many bigs do you want us to have? 7? Benimon is only 6'7". He may be wide but he is not tall for a "big".
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blueandgray
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Post by blueandgray on Mar 19, 2010 10:38:56 GMT -5
Aren't the Hoyas also going to Hawaii next year for a preseason tourney? Sure, he could buy a place in Hawaii if he went pro, but to a college kid the trip with his friends like that is still pretty cool. how much $ would he really make his first year??? he might buy a place in hawaii but in all likelyhood the standard hotel room the team would be staying in would probably be nicer.
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Post by Dhall on Mar 19, 2010 11:03:28 GMT -5
Aren't the Hoyas also going to Hawaii next year for a preseason tourney? Sure, he could buy a place in Hawaii if he went pro, but to a college kid the trip with his friends like that is still pretty cool. how much $ would he really make his first year??? he might buy a place in hawaii but in all likelyhood the standard hotel room the team would be staying in would probably be nicer. Last year, the contract for the 5th pick was total $9m over three years and the contract for the 10th pick was $6m over the three years. So $2-3m per year likely for Greg. If he never earns a second contract, that is not enough money to last him the rest of his life for even a middle class lifestyle in any city in this country. It has certainly happened that guys in the top 10 never sign a second contract. So that's why he needs to continue to improve at Georgetown for another year, go in the top 5 in the 2011 draft, get a shoe deal, start on his NBA team as a rookie, ...
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Post by patrickchewing on Mar 19, 2010 11:08:32 GMT -5
Greg is coming back
"Georgetown's Greg Monroe, asked if this was his last game at GU: "No. It wasn't."
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Post by williambraskyiii on Mar 19, 2010 11:11:08 GMT -5
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Post by NCHoya on Mar 19, 2010 11:12:57 GMT -5
Why all the hate on Benimon? He was a lightly recruited freshman. Taking that into account, he played pretty well, what were the expectations? Also, you guys act like there is not a learning cuve, he will improve every year he is at GU. Geez, if we defined every player by their freshman year, I guess there would pretty much be no one of use except the one and dones.
I am excited to see Lubick, everything I have heard about him is everything this team needs.
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Post by Boz on Mar 19, 2010 11:13:29 GMT -5
I understand your point, and I think it would behoove everyone to let this subject drop for a while as Greg figures out what is best for him....also because we're just going to drive ourselves crazy. Having said that, when I think of Greg Monroe and DaJuan Summers, I don't see the same type of person -- or decision making process -- at all. Not a knock on either, just different. EDIT: On the other hand, I know neither of them personally, so I guess I'm just spitting into the wind like every other post in this thread.
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Post by williambraskyiii on Mar 19, 2010 11:20:45 GMT -5
I think 2 yrs from now , we'll all be able to appreciate Benimon a whole lot more. I don't blame him for being thrown to the tigers , I just expect him to continue to work VERYYYYYYYY HARD. He was somewhat in over his head. Not a knock at all .. and the experience was great for him. I agree with this. My point is, under no circumstances should Benimon have been thrust into the position to be our SIXTH man at times. Everytime he was out on the court we were going 4 v. 5 on offense. And he wasn't like a Rivers-type defensive stopper. He is a freshman and I hope he works his butt off and improves his game, but his role as an in-over-his-head freshman was a huge problem for this team. I don't blame Benimon - he tried very hard and busted his butt. I blame Coach for ultimately needing to pluck a lightly-recruited big fish in a very small pond from the hills of Virginia as our first "big" off the bench.
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Post by RDF on Mar 19, 2010 11:22:33 GMT -5
Dajuan played out of position his Soph/JR seasons. Was upset he wouldn't try to be a better player overall--but that seems to be the norm lately--just be good enough--but don't push yourself to be great. This program needs to have someone come in and say my goal is to win championships, be the #1 pick in NBA draft, and dominate at the next level. Now whether they say that publicly or privately--that is what is needed because this "I'm happy fitting in" stuff is for the birds.
They also need a coach who understands his personnel--if a guy is going to play like a SF and you continue to play him at PF--why not keep him, and play him at SF--like you did when the team won Championships and went to the Final Four?
As for Benimon, it's not fair to the kid at all that he gets criticized. If anything he's a victim of showing more then anyone expected and it was his minutes that need to be scrutinized--not his level of play. What you get from him in 5-6 minutes is what you get in 15-16 minutes-so it's not his fault--and it's more of a reflection as to the poor handling of recruitment/roster attrition that needs to be assessed and changed.
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Post by williambraskyiii on Mar 19, 2010 11:24:50 GMT -5
Dajuan played out of position his Soph/JR seasons. Was upset he wouldn't try to be a better player overall--but that seems to be the norm lately--just be good enough--but don't push yourself to be great. This program needs to have someone come in and say my goal is to win championships, be the #1 pick in NBA draft, and dominate at the next level. Now whether they say that publicly or privately--that is what is needed because this "I'm happy fitting in" stuff is for the birds. They also need a coach who understands his personnel--if a guy is going to play like a SF and you continue to play him at PF--why not keep him, and play him at SF--like you did when the team won Championships and went to the Final Four? As for Benimon, it's not fair to the kid at all that he gets criticized. If anything he's a victim of showing more then anyone expected and it was his minutes that need to be scrutinized--not his level of play. What you get from him in 5-6 minutes is what you get in 15-16 minutes-so it's not his fault--and it's more of a reflection as to the poor handling of recruitment/roster attrition that needs to be assessed and changed. Thanks RDF - you said it better than I did.
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Post by Big Dog on Mar 19, 2010 11:35:32 GMT -5
This program needs to have someone come in and say my goal is to win championships, be the #1 pick in NBA draft, and dominate at the next level. Now whether they say that publicly or privately--that is what is needed because this "I'm happy fitting in" stuff is for the birds. The program also needs every single one of the top 10 recruits in the country, seven seven-footers (ten!), six no. 1 point guards, five Jeff Greens, four Patrick Ewings, three Michael Sweetneys, two Grant Hills, one LeBron James, and a partridge in a pear tree. I have high expectations to, and I hold the program to them. But some of this stuff is just ridiculous. If it was just a matter of effort to collect all of the best players in the country and to blow through the NCAA tournament to win a Final Four, everyone would be doing it. Teams--even very good teams--lose first round games. It is embarrassing. It was unexpected. They didn't look good out there. But maybe, just maybe, as TC said brilliantly in another thread, when the heart and soul of your team has issues with a consistent motor, and has always had those issues, your team is going to lack a consistent motor. I just think there's a tremendous amount of overreaction to yesterday's loss, just like there was probably an overreaction to our BET performance. The Greg Monroe Hoyas are very inconsistent and frustrating Hoyas. After a certain point, you aren't a bunch of "what ifs"--you are who your record and roller coaster performance says you are. Everybody has been waiting for the switch to flip permanently for two years now, and it never has. It isn't going to, no matter how badly we or JTIII want it too. Coaching only goes so far as well. If coaching made all the difference and nobody ever made recruiting mistakes, UCLA, Duke, UNC, and UConn would be in the Final Four every year.
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Post by cnyhoya on Mar 19, 2010 11:37:32 GMT -5
Agree. Benimon exceded expectations. The fact that he was needed for so many minutes is a roster problem.
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Post by MetsHatHoya on Mar 19, 2010 11:42:41 GMT -5
yeah i never thougth benimon would see any minutes. If he can just work on his jump shot over the summer, i think we would be solid. Towards the end of the season i noticed teams were leaving him open knowing he would not shoot.
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Post by MetsHatHoya on Mar 19, 2010 11:45:12 GMT -5
Hoyas really playing in a hawaii tourney next year? If so, can anyone confirm that? look like i will be making some plans for hawaii if that is the case
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Post by Boz on Mar 19, 2010 11:52:43 GMT -5
The program also needs every single one of the top 10 recruits in the country, seven seven-footers (ten!), six no. 1 point guards, five Jeff Greens, four Patrick Ewings, three Michael Sweetneys, two Grant Hills, one LeBron James, and a partridge in a pear tree. Your 2010-2011 Georgetown University Hoyyyyaaaaassss...... www.hulu.com/watch/49523/futurama-invincible-nuclear-mutants#s-p13-n3-sr-i0
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Post by gtown59270 on Mar 19, 2010 12:00:35 GMT -5
I agree with you big dog !
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Post by cnyhoya on Mar 19, 2010 12:01:59 GMT -5
This program needs to have someone come in and say my goal is to win championships, be the #1 pick in NBA draft, and dominate at the next level. Now whether they say that publicly or privately--that is what is needed because this "I'm happy fitting in" stuff is for the birds. But maybe, just maybe, as TC said brilliantly in another thread, when the heart and soul of your team has issues with a consistent motor, and has always had those issues, your team is going to lack a consistent motor. The Greg Monroe Hoyas are very inconsistent and frustrating Hoyas. I think this is too harsh on Greg. He is a very skilled player, and I don't blame the inconsistencies on him at all. I just think he is mostly a finesse big man and we have long needed more size, strength and toughness down low. It's not his fault that we didn't have that. Just as it wasn't Dujuan's fault that he had to play out of position at the 4.
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Post by RDF on Mar 19, 2010 12:41:55 GMT -5
This program needs to have someone come in and say my goal is to win championships, be the #1 pick in NBA draft, and dominate at the next level. Now whether they say that publicly or privately--that is what is needed because this "I'm happy fitting in" stuff is for the birds. The program also needs every single one of the top 10 recruits in the country, seven seven-footers (ten!), six no. 1 point guards, five Jeff Greens, four Patrick Ewings, three Michael Sweetneys, two Grant Hills, one LeBron James, and a partridge in a pear tree. I have high expectations to, and I hold the program to them. But some of this stuff is just ridiculous. If it was just a matter of effort to collect all of the best players in the country and to blow through the NCAA tournament to win a Final Four, everyone would be doing it. Teams--even very good teams--lose first round games. It is embarrassing. It was unexpected. They didn't look good out there. But maybe, just maybe, as TC said brilliantly in another thread, when the heart and soul of your team has issues with a consistent motor, and has always had those issues, your team is going to lack a consistent motor. I just think there's a tremendous amount of overreaction to yesterday's loss, just like there was probably an overreaction to our BET performance. The Greg Monroe Hoyas are very inconsistent and frustrating Hoyas. After a certain point, you aren't a bunch of "what ifs"--you are who your record and roller coaster performance says you are. Everybody has been waiting for the switch to flip permanently for two years now, and it never has. It isn't going to, no matter how badly we or JTIII want it too. Coaching only goes so far as well. If coaching made all the difference and nobody ever made recruiting mistakes, UCLA, Duke, UNC, and UConn would be in the Final Four every year. Big Dog--if you have the ability to be the best prospect in the world and settle for being a nice low end lottery pick--you aren't being pushed. Greg is "happy fitting in"-well he should be dominating games and being the best player on court and nothing else should be tolerated. He improved this year--but he still isn't a consistent shooter, he's a subpar defensive player, and dominates small people. Minute he faces strength--he is not the same player--and if that is good enough for him to leave--and in his mind that will translate against bigger/stronger/better players--then what does that say about him/type of mentality he/program have? 23-10 in a mediocre year in CBB doesn't deserve a 3 seed. This team played consistent basketball for one week-and was rewarded for it--which they didn't earn during year. They fell right back into post Duke mode--where they were "great" and lost to USF. If being "decent" is accepted and tolerated--then expect more failure and that is what needs to change at Georgetown. If you can be the best player-then that is the goal and do it. Don't settle--be great. Opportunity/Talent wasted is far worse then having none.
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