cnyhoya
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Post by cnyhoya on Mar 19, 2010 13:09:30 GMT -5
Unfair. What's with the Greg bashing? He's not perfect (and he is not "the best prospect in the world" as you say), but he is a great player, and there is no question he could be a starter on an NCAA champiomship team. With the right players around him.
19P 13R 6A 2B is not a bad night (except for the 7 turnovers - ouch)
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mapei
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Post by mapei on Mar 19, 2010 14:03:30 GMT -5
Greg has been our best player this year, looking at the entire year. More recently it's been Chris for some games, and for quite a stretch it was Austin. But actually Greg has been more consistent than either. There are some legit reasons for our being where we are instead of better, starting with the lack of depth, but Greg isn't one of them. No he's not Patrick Ewing or even DuJuan Blair. But how many big men in the NCAA currently would you trade him for? Not many.
At any rate, I think it's unlikely he will return next near (despite his post-game comment), and his loss will be felt. Negatively.
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richfame
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Post by richfame on Mar 19, 2010 14:26:16 GMT -5
I think the bashing is unfair but I think I understand it. People on this board including me at first wanted him to be alonzo mourning. This clearly didnt happen, they are too totally different players with 2 distinct personalities.
The second problem is he the focal point in the offense but not how some of us envision it.. He doesnt get the ball in the post and take us on his back and will us to victory. We dont always see him wear the heart on his sleeve. Once again this doesnt make him les of a player, just different than what some people would like..
I personally hope he stays and JT3 can figure this out.
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Post by afalcon10 on Mar 19, 2010 14:39:15 GMT -5
I think Monroe will keep his word and return actually.
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ceshoya
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Post by ceshoya on Mar 19, 2010 15:35:32 GMT -5
Even though Greg is our most talented player, I think we've seen the last few weeks that if he does come back, Cris Wright will be the heart and soul of next years team. He's really evolved into a pretty good leader this year, even if the others didn't follow last night.
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RDF
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Post by RDF on Mar 19, 2010 16:03:14 GMT -5
When you are 23-11, nobody led anything. Chris was a great leader for 4 games last week and team followed suit. 4 games out of a 34 game schedule is not what a leader is made of. Chris is a guy who plays hard--give him that--and he was only guy I thought showed up ready to play--but a leader lifts his teammates and this team lacks one--then again a Coach can lead........oh nevermind.
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CAHoya07
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Post by CAHoya07 on Mar 19, 2010 16:19:13 GMT -5
I think the real question is: what is best for Greg? I'm really not sure. He could leave now and probably be a top 10 pick. However, I think he would get pushed around a lot in his rookie year. He still is too soft sometimes, lacks touch, so-so FT%, and has too many turnovers. However, he is a great rebounder and passer and very versatile. His post moves have definitely improved. I think he could be deadly if he developed a mid-range jumper. If he stays, in my opinion his stock can only go up. He has shown steady improvement freshman to sophomore year, and there's no reason to think he won't continue this improvement. He could really be a top 3 pick in 2011. I also think Greg seems like the kind of person that really likes school and the college experience. I could not say the same for DaJuan. I think Greg is slightly less ready than Jeff Green was when he left. Doesn't mean he's not ready, but I think Jeff after three years was more of a finished product than Greg after two. That said, I would be surprised if Greg didn't at least test the waters. A friend also told me that the impending NBA lockout in 2011 could play a factor in his decision. Greg might not want to forced to stay for his senior year if there is a lockout. After the Big East Tournament I'd say it was 70/30 Greg leaving vs. staying, but after the disappointing first round loss, I'd say it's closer to 50/50. But that's just me, I'm far from an expert. Just going off my gut feeling, but there are a lot of factors in play. What's really sad is that I knew we were going to have the conversation in the off-season, I just didn't know that it would happen so soon... Whatever happens though, I wish Greg the best, and even though post-season accomplishments did not happen so far in his two years, he has been, for the most part, a pleasure to watch. He has also had to deal with high expectations that Jeff and Roy never had.
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ceshoya
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Post by ceshoya on Mar 19, 2010 16:21:13 GMT -5
When you are 23-11, nobody led anything. Chris was a great leader for 4 games last week and team followed suit. 4 games out of a 34 game schedule is not what a leader is made of. Chris is a guy who plays hard--give him that--and he was only guy I thought showed up ready to play--but a leader lifts his teammates and this team lacks one--then again a Coach can lead........oh nevermind. That's why I said he evolved, because with him it's a process that hopefully will continue. There isn't a guy on this team who is a natural leader.
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Post by mrsixer123 on Mar 19, 2010 18:08:19 GMT -5
Its in the denial section of GUhoyas.com. +3 Hahahhahahhahahhahahahhhaha
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mrsixer123
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Post by mrsixer123 on Mar 19, 2010 18:11:10 GMT -5
Did anyone see the comcast tape with greg walking to the locker room and being carted away? He was fighting back smiling!!! Yes, he saw the camera and had to fight off not smiling!!!!!! This after a terrible loss
WOW!!!!! Just WOW!!!
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Post by krukster201 on Mar 19, 2010 19:24:50 GMT -5
Sixer go away .... please .. I'd love to meet you one day to verbally abuse the hell outta you ..and yes - I've actually stayed away from the board the entire day. Only to come back and find stupid remarks from your ridiculous pebble brain.
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azarin
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Post by azarin on Mar 19, 2010 20:00:52 GMT -5
Did anyone see the comcast tape with greg walking to the locker room and being carted away? He was fighting back smiling!!! Yes, he saw the camera and had to fight off not smiling!!!!!! This after a terrible loss WOW!!!!! Just WOW!!! Nah, I missed it. Too busy reading text messages from hanging sources.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Mar 19, 2010 21:45:03 GMT -5
He wont...because he isnt coming to Gtown. Thats my point. We don't want Abraham Moses to come here anyway, because thenwe wouldn't have a spot for Moses Abraham. If you can't even get the kid's name right, maybe you should go troll some other team's board, bozo.
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paranoia2
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Post by paranoia2 on Mar 20, 2010 1:10:49 GMT -5
Greg would be awesome to watch as a junior if he was able to play a point forward. IMO signing Abraham is vital because freeing Greg from post play would be a great incentive for him to come back. Make Julian the 5 with Henry & hopefully a talented spring signing & then let Greg really develop his perimeter skills. Imagine Monroe at the front of a press? Then the 3 headed center monster punishing anyone that came down the lane and not worrying about fouls. Rotate Nate and Hollis in on the front line and have a deep backcourt with Chris, Austin, Jason, Vee & Markel. Benimon & Bowen lend support.
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Post by bronxhoya87 on Mar 20, 2010 7:55:01 GMT -5
Monroe is a great passer and a great "turneroverer" of the ball.
This Moses fella is not ready to contribute at this level on offense. I dont think we will see him much next year if he comes.
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mrsixer123
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Post by mrsixer123 on Mar 20, 2010 8:59:45 GMT -5
Sixer go away .... please .. I'd love to meet you one day to verbally abuse the hell outta you ..and yes - I've actually stayed away from the board the entire day. Only to come back and find stupid remarks from your ridiculous pebble brain. YAWN. You wouldn't do anything if we were face to face. Check the tape wuss if you don't believe me. The kid wanted to smile and had to fight with all his might not to
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Post by DanMcQ on Mar 20, 2010 9:12:10 GMT -5
Knock it off and discuss basketball or we'll start banning posters.
As a non-moderator, taking a facial expression caught on a minute of TV footage and putting your take on what it means on it and then trashing a kid because of it is a dangerous and unfounded leap to take. If you listened at all to the player's post-game interviews you would know your interpretation of his feelings about the game is dead wrong.
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Post by blueandgray on Mar 20, 2010 10:10:53 GMT -5
Did anyone see the comcast tape with greg walking to the locker room and being carted away? He was fighting back smiling!!! Yes, he saw the camera and had to fight off not smiling!!!!!! This after a terrible loss WOW!!!!! Just WOW!!! I was in shock and disbelief and all I could do was smile and laugh. It was either laugh or cry and I chose the former.
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Post by afalcon10 on Mar 20, 2010 13:22:15 GMT -5
Monroe was smiling after that loss? Are you deleted serious?
afalcon10: profanity, including that disguised to escape the moderators, is not allowed here. Keep it up and a ban is coming.
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Post by wahoohoya on Mar 20, 2010 14:38:44 GMT -5
Was reading about the potential 2011 NBA lockout. Of particular interest were comments from David Falk - who may or may not be advising Greg on his decision. He supports a higher age limit for incoming rookies, higher salaries for marquee players, and lower salaries for role players. He also talks about how the NCAA tournament is one of the biggest marketing tools for the NBA, as players use it to gain an identity and a brand that will serve them throughout their NBA careers. I've always believed that and this current NBA landscape with all these players with little or no college experience is a major reason why the NBA doesn't hold my interest anymore. After reading Greg's comments last week during the Big East Tournament about how he hasn't earned the comparisons yet with the great Georgetown players of the past since he has only been here two years, it sounds like Greg understands the long-term benefit of building a legacy in college.
Of course that's just one factor - Greg should ultimately do what is in the best long-term interests for him and his family. I just wanted to point out that the impending NBA lockout in 2011 doesn't necessarily make it smarter for Greg to leave now since the landscape of the NBA and how players are paid looks to be changing. What it comes down to is how can Greg best position himself to be in that upper echelon of NBA players and not merely a role player. Personally (and admittedly with wishful thinking), I think it makes all the sense in the world for him to stay and grow mentally and physically tougher for another year (or two) and build that lasting legacy. Of course if JTIII doesn't bring is some more energetic rebounders/defenders to stir things up Greg is probably better off leaving now, but sounds like we've got some decent help on the way next year.
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