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Post by wahoohoya on Mar 23, 2010 12:42:47 GMT -5
Is it just me or does it make a lot of sense to come back next year just based on the other big men competition this year? This years mock lottery has: Favors, Cousins, aldrich, Aminu, and Davis all going above greg, plus Vessley, whiteside, and Motiejunas asother bigs in the lottery. There are a lot of bigs in this draft. Next year the only bigs in the lottery are: Perry jones(HS senior), Valnucias(some euro highschooler), C.J leslie(HS senior), Mason plumlee, Serpahin another euro That competition is a lot thinner. Mason plumlee going 8th next year when greg is only predicted to be 9th in this years draft at best. Greg would be the first big taken in next years draft if he returned, IMO. It's a good point, but not sure how much your long-term earning prospects are affected by being a Top 5 (or Top 3) versus Top 10 pick. Clearly better to be a higher pick, but you always hear about how you really get paid with your second contract. So Greg should do whatever he needs to do to ensure he can be successful in those first few years in the league regardless of where he is picked (read - stay in school!).
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Post by SSHoya on Mar 23, 2010 12:47:51 GMT -5
I don't think we can know any of the financial ramifications because of the potential lockout in 2011 and a new CBA. If Greg is a lottery pick he would sign a contract under the current CBA, correct? Thus he would lock in his first contract and the guaranteed money. However, if he stays another year, and there is a lockout in 2011, he may be departing school in an uncertain labor market, and who knows what agreement will be reached between the NBAPA and owners. If anyone knows more about how this might affect potential lottery picks, love to hear it.
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Post by Dhall on Mar 23, 2010 12:49:04 GMT -5
Is it just me or does it make a lot of sense to come back next year just based on the other big men competition this year? This years mock lottery has: Favors, Cousins, aldrich, Aminu, and Davis all going above greg, plus Vessley, whiteside, and Motiejunas asother bigs in the lottery. There are a lot of bigs in this draft. Next year the only bigs in the lottery are: Perry jones(HS senior), Valnucias(some euro highschooler), C.J leslie(HS senior), Mason plumlee, Serpahin another euro That competition is a lot thinner. Mason plumlee going 8th next year when greg is only predicted to be 9th in this years draft at best. Greg would be the first big taken in next years draft if he returned, IMO. I'd be shocked if all of those guys that you mention enter the draft this year. Even if they do, Greg stands a very good chance of getting drafted ahead of most if not all of them. He demonstrated a lot of skill and potential all year. Still very hard to predict this year, never mind next year. The one thing you can say for sure is that he will be a more talented 6'11" big man 12 months from now. For guards, if their shooting percentage goes down they are in big trouble - if I were Austin I'd be thinking about that, but his medical condition probably makes it impossible for him to leave this year because he has to prove it is a non-issue on the court.
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Post by wahoohoya on Mar 23, 2010 12:49:57 GMT -5
With the advent of insurance policies, I think the risks of coming back are mitigated somewhat. Monroe's potential at the next level seems to be collateral enough for him to get some injury policy worth a couple million dollars. That is not equivalent to what he could make in the NBA, but it might be security enough to make him consider coming back if he thinks it will improve his long term earning potential. Additionally, he has just as good a chance of getting injured his first year in the pros as he does at the college level. Unlike say Greg Oden, I don't think there are huge advertising/endorsement dollars for Greg right now, so a lot of the calculus boils down to strictly salary money. Its quite possible coming back to play another year could improve his long term earning potential enough, when combined with the downside protection of an insurance policy, that it is actually in his financial interests to come back. Hopefully he sees it my way. That's how I see it. Make a name for yourself in college other than being that guy who is supremely talented but not a competitor. Win a title (or two) and you'll be revered coming into wherever you get drafted rather than criticized harshly before you play your first game. And get stronger before having to endure what you'll face in the NBA. Biggest no brainer of all time!
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Post by tjm62 on Mar 23, 2010 13:39:39 GMT -5
I didn't know about those types of insurance policies -- that seems to be an interesting wrinkle on the situation.
I have no doubt Greg could improve his draft stock by coming back -- and a big Hoyas run would get him the national attention we all know he deserves.
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Post by b52legend on Mar 23, 2010 13:44:49 GMT -5
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Post by wrestlemania on Mar 23, 2010 14:05:26 GMT -5
I wonder if there are any statistics that compare the relative progress of players in the NBA who jump after HS, freshman year, sophomore year etc. Probably would have a few asterisks but the Kwame Brown fiasco (okay, bad example) makes me wonder how many of these guys get past their first deal in good shape, even the lottery picks.
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Post by tashoya on Mar 23, 2010 14:20:34 GMT -5
How do we even know that Greg wants to go pro? Maybe he's studying to be a doctor or something and he'll have to put in all 4 years (I can hope can't I?).
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Post by CAHoya07 on Mar 23, 2010 14:47:10 GMT -5
How do we even know that Greg wants to go pro? Maybe he's studying to be a doctor or something and he'll have to put in all 4 years (I can hope can't I?). You're funny. ;D
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Post by tashoya on Mar 23, 2010 14:51:25 GMT -5
Would be funny if he became an orthopedist. I can imagine a patient coming in and saying something like:
Patient: "Hey Doctor Monroe. How's everything?" Dr. Monroe: "I'm well thanks. How're things with you?" Patient: "Well, not great actually. I'm having a problem with my right hand." Dr. Monroe: "Yeah. Tell me about it."
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Post by tjm62 on Mar 23, 2010 14:55:50 GMT -5
Would be funny if he became an orthopedist. I can imagine a patient coming in and saying something like: Patient: "Hey Doctor Monroe. How's everything?" Dr. Monroe: "I'm well thanks. How're things with you?" Patient: "Well, not great actually. I'm having a problem with my right hand." Dr. Monroe: "Yeah. Tell me about it." instantrimshot.com/
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Post by richfame on Mar 23, 2010 17:23:06 GMT -5
TAS- That was funny!! great posts
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Post by hoyacrazy on Mar 23, 2010 19:07:49 GMT -5
Greg should return. He is a very skilled young man, he needs to understand the value of protecting the orange. He gets striped far to often. Strenghten those hands big fella. He also needs to develope more leg strength to finish plays at the rim. He gets bumped and knocked off balance by the bigs that are defending him and misses a lot of shorty's because of it, so instead of AND ONE, we get a missed lay up. He could also use another year to develope another low post move, his drives are usually long banana curls instead of quick 1 step blow bye's. With Greg this team is a Nat'l Title contender with him we are not.
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Post by hoyacrazy on Mar 23, 2010 19:11:45 GMT -5
The last line on the previous post should read " With Greg this team is a Nat'l Title contender without him we are not".
Sorry!
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Post by blueandgray on Mar 23, 2010 19:59:09 GMT -5
Greg should return. He is a very skilled young man, he needs to understand the value of protecting the orange. He gets striped far to often. Strenghten those hands big fella. He also needs to develope more leg strength to finish plays at the rim. He gets bumped and knocked off balance by the bigs that are defending him and misses a lot of shorty's because of it, so instead of AND ONE, we get a missed lay up. He could also use another year to develope another low post move, his drives are usually long banana curls instead of quick 1 step blow bye's. With Greg this team is a Nat'l Title contender with him we are not. We all know there are things Greg can improve on, however in my mind, he made great strides from his freshman to sophmore year. His became stronger, he got better going to his right, and the difference in his rebounding was night and day. He to me was the most improved player from one year to the next followed closely by Jason, Austin and Chris. I see Hollis being the most improved next year. That said, if Greg stays, I expect to see another quantum leap of improvement.
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Post by dreamhoya on Mar 23, 2010 20:19:05 GMT -5
This board is harsh. Think we need a little more support to the team.
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Post by tashoya on Mar 23, 2010 20:46:20 GMT -5
I would love for him to stay because he's a really, really good player and seems like a great kid that really represents the University well. Additionally, I'd LOVE for him to be an impact rookie and I don't think he's quite there yet.
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Post by tashoya on Mar 23, 2010 20:49:11 GMT -5
Also, something about afalcon being gone that has improved my mood. It's the little things. Greg may stay or Greg may go but afalcon is gone. Talk about addition by subtraction.
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Post by jester on Mar 24, 2010 16:17:33 GMT -5
Just saw this on Cousin's enjoying school - obviously Greg comes from a different background but you can see how much some kids enjoy school the right way.
"DeMarcus Cousins readily admits he has thought about playing in the NBA for several years now. He’ll even acknowledge that he thought he would jump at a chance to leave Kentucky after one year for the NBA when he signed with the Wildcats a year ago.
Now he’s not quite so certain about his future, even though he’s had a monstrous freshman season going into Thursday’s game against Cornell in Syracuse, N.Y.
“Whenever I do decide to leave, I will miss this a lot, probably more than I ever thought,” Cousins said. “No matter where I have played or been, I have never been accepted like this. It just feels so good to be accepted.
“It is going to be a tough decision, much harder than I thought it ever would be. I have always dreamed of that next level, but we’ll have to see. Life is good at Kentucky for me.”
Although I also guess Greg is missing out on this:
"Cousins did deny one recent rumor that he’s so popular that female students have even volunteered to give him a neck massage before classes. "
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Post by kchoya on Mar 24, 2010 16:28:39 GMT -5
Just saw this on Cousin's enjoying school - obviously Greg comes from a different background but you can see how much some kids enjoy school the right way. "DeMarcus Cousins readily admits he has thought about playing in the NBA for several years now. He’ll even acknowledge that he thought he would jump at a chance to leave Kentucky after one year for the NBA when he signed with the Wildcats a year ago. Now he’s not quite so certain about his future, even though he’s had a monstrous freshman season going into Thursday’s game against Cornell in Syracuse, N.Y. “Whenever I do decide to leave, I will miss this a lot, probably more than I ever thought,” Cousins said. “No matter where I have played or been, I have never been accepted like this. It just feels so good to be accepted. “It is going to be a tough decision, much harder than I thought it ever would be. I have always dreamed of that next level, but we’ll have to see. Life is good at Kentucky for me.” Although I also guess Greg is missing out on this: "Cousins did deny one recent rumor that he’s so popular that female students have even volunteered to give him a neck massage before classes. " Anyone wanna bet Cousins isn't gone from Campus the day after UK's last game?
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