#3 Georgetown- #14 Ohio 1st Rd.Discussion

[hoyas big supporter]

I say the post-season 2010 Revenge Tour continues after we take care of business with Ohio, first we down them then have a shot at Tennessee and OSU.

[3xhoya]

Mar 14, 2010 22:10:10 GMT -5 vcjack said:

Mar 14, 2010 22:07:24 GMT -5 CTHoya08 said:

I don't know what to make of Ohio State. I can't tell whether to look at their last few games and think "this team is vulnerable" or "this team manages to find a way to win."

I really thought WV was vulnerable with the way they played against Cincy and ND so guess that shows what I know

WVU was vulnerable. We lost to them by 2 on a last second off balance shot. Plus we clearly did not have our legs and were ice cold from 3 for the majority of the game.

[professorhoya]

[quote author=dudeslade board=general thread=21833 post=370343 time=1268621519
Tennessee? Are they the Kansas/Kentucky beaters or the team that got wiped by USC? Someone above said they are a less athletic/cohesive version of WVU? Does that sound right?
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I think they might be more athletic.

WVA is atheltic but not that athletic.

[b52legend]

I am a big fan of the SEC, so I have actually watched Tennessee play quite a few times beyond their big games against Kentucky and Kansas. I generally come away unimpressed. They are certainly not the team they have been the last few years.

- They are not that tall and not near as lengthy as a lot of our BE foes such as UConn, Cuse or WVU. Chism is very good at 6-9, primarily because he can shoot the three, but with Greg I don't see that being a huge issue. Overall they are not very athletic. The coach's son plays substantial minutes as do a few walk-ons. They have some athletic, quick guards - but they are not good shooters.

- I think the best comparison in the BE is actually to Villanova. They have some quick guards who will drive, they try to push the pace, and they will jack up terrible shots.

- They don't shoot the 3 point shot well at all - they are 31% on the year - that is terrible. That said, they will still jack them up and they can get hot. The only time this team is really dangerous is when they are making the 3. The did this at home at a much higher rate then on the road.

- Basically Tennessee wins by creating turnovers and getting a team flustered. We DOMINATE the press - so I don't see that being a problem at all. Tennessee does not rebound near as well as most BE teams, as they simply are not as physical.

If we can get a match-up with Tennessee I think we have a very good shot at beating them. Compared with some of the other 6 seeds, see ND, I think it is actually a favorable matchup.

[professorhoya]

Mar 14, 2010 23:01:54 GMT -5 b52legend said:

I am a big fan of the SEC, so I have actually watched Tennessee play quite a few times beyond their big games against Kentucky and Kansas. I generally come away unimpressed. They are certainly not the team they have been the last few years.

- They are not that tall and not near as lengthy as a lot of our BE foes such as UConn, Cuse or WVU. Chism is very good at 6-9, primarily because he can shoot the three, but with Greg I don't see that being a huge issue. Overall they are not very athletic. The coach's son plays substantial minutes as do a few walk-ons. They have some athletic, quick guards - but they are not good shooters.

- I think the best comparison in the BE is actually to Villanova. They have some quick guards who will drive, they try to push the pace, and they will jack up terrible shots.

- They don't shoot the 3 point shot well at all - they are 31% on the year - that is terrible. That said, they will still jack them up and they can get hot. The only time this team is really dangerous is when they are making the 3. The did this at home at a much higher rate then on the road.

- Basically Tennessee wins by creating turnovers and getting a team flustered. We DOMINATE the press - so I don't see that being a problem at all. Tennessee does not rebound near as well as most BE teams, as they simply are not as physical.

If we can get a match-up with Tennessee I think we have a very good shot at beating them. Compared with some of the other 6 seeds, see ND, I think it is actually a favorable matchup.

How did they beat Kansas and Kentucky with that group?

I mean those are both very solid teams.

[prhoya]

Mar 14, 2010 22:13:54 GMT -5 hoyas big supporter said:

I say the post-season 2010 Revenge Tour continues after we take care of business with Ohio, first we down them then have a shot at Tennessee and OSU.

This is the theme of this year's team and we love it. That Tenn game was horrible. They beat us around. As for OSU, Sweet Sixteen is not the same as Final four, but we'll take it.

[hoyafrigginsaxa]

- Basically Tennessee wins by creating turnovers and getting a team flustered. We DOMINATE the press - so I don't see that being a problem at all. Tennessee does not rebound near as well as most BE teams, as they simply are not as physical.

Hell Yeah B52. We sure do DOMINATE the press. When pressed we get a lot of fast break points and when we get fast break points, We win

[whatmaroon]

Mar 14, 2010 23:15:31 GMT -5 professorhoya said:

How did they beat Kansas and Kentucky with that group?

I mean those are both very solid teams.

They didn't turn the ball over much in either game, and both teams missed their 3's. Kentucky was 2-22 and Kansas was 7-27. When they beat Kansas, they were 9-18 on 3's. Against Kentucky, there were only 6-25 but 22-34 inside the arc. Looking at the ESPN PBP, those were almost all layups and dunks, no jumpers.

[Boz]

The Ohio fans seem like good peeps, for the most part. Obviously, I am partial to anyone who hates Ohio State, and they probably hate the Buckeyes more than most.

A shame to have to send them home so early.

[CTHoya08]

Mar 14, 2010 23:57:03 GMT -5 Boz said:

The Ohio fans seem like good peeps, for the most part. Obviously, I am partial to anyone who hates Ohio State, and they probably hate the Buckeyes more than most.

A shame to have to send them home so early.

Maybe the people posting on their message boards hate the Buckeyes, but the sense I get from my Ohioan friends is that most of the students at Ohio (and Miami, and Toledo, etc.) are Buckeye fans who couldn't care less about their own teams.

[momzer]

Observations:
1. Redemption tour continues, probably vs. TN and OSU. The way we are playing, I like our odds.
2. Bilas has us at Elite 8.
3. Incredibly, Gottlieb has us as only team in Midwest to be able to beat Kansas. Love you Dougie, today.
4. How did we get seeded lower than Nova? We should be in south beating DOOK again.
5. With Arinze now out, apparently Boeheim's silence cost him the #3 #1 seed. SUcks certainly has a better resume than DOOK. DOOK didn't beat anyone in the top 25 RPI.
6. As long as we don't THINK we should win and play like every game is our last, which it is, they should take care of business this weekend.
7. SDSU-TN game is considered a toss-up. Gotta like Fisher coaching in NCAAs.
8. WVU got screwed. Not that I give a sh!t, but thems the facts.
9. 7:25 PM on Thursday gives boys more than enough rest from BET. Get lead early, expand on it in 2nd half and let Vee and Hollis handle offense. Get Henry some time in the middle.
10. Turner is OSU's Butler, but their inside presence is nowhere near as good as WVU. No second chances and Hello-KS.
11. Is it possible that Twerps beat KS? Nope.
12. Most important- ONE GAME AT A TIME!!!!!!

[Coast2CoastHoya]

Ohio's decent; much better than Rutgers. Thursday at 7:25pm. Let's get it done.

Ohio has a good distributor in D.J. Cooper, Armon Basset takes most of their shots (with mixed results), good rebounders in DeVaughn Washington and Reggie Keeley, and a guy named Tommy Freeman who happens to have the #1 TS% in the nation (and #4 eFG%) according to kenpom (though he gets limited possessions).

And, ya know, they have a (de)Vaughn and a Freeman. Interesting.

Should be a fun one.

[jgalt]

Mar 14, 2010 23:32:35 GMT -5 whatmaroon said:

Mar 14, 2010 23:15:31 GMT -5 professorhoya said:

How did they beat Kansas and Kentucky with that group?

I mean those are both very solid teams.

They didn't turn the ball over much in either game, and both teams missed their 3's. Kentucky was 2-22 and Kansas was 7-27. When they beat Kansas, they were 9-18 on 3's. Against Kentucky, there were only 6-25 but 22-34 inside the arc. Looking at the ESPN PBP, those were almost all layups and dunks, no jumpers.

Tenn. was also on some crazy emotional high during the Kansas game because they had basically 7 guys on the roster at that point (hence by Pearl's son gets so much playing time and he got tons that game). With Kentucky, Tenn played them three times, much like Gtown and Cuse and just like Gtown and Cuse the lower ranked team won once, Tenn's win just happen to come during the reg season. (not to mention Kentucky is the most vulnerable one seed i have ever seen and could easily lose to anyone in the field with a good coach and video review staff)

B52, who is off the roster at Tenn? I couldnt keep up with who left for good and who came back. Which players left for good from the opening roster?

[bmartin]

Mike Wise picked Hoyas to win the national championship. 5 of the other 8 Post writers picked Kansas, including Liz Clarke and Prisbell. Steinberg picked Ohio State. Wilbon picked Kansas State. Adam Kilgore picked Texas A&M. 7 of them have Syracuse in Final Four but none have them winning..

[b52legend]

Mar 15, 2010 5:09:17 GMT -5 jgalt said:

Mar 14, 2010 23:32:35 GMT -5 whatmaroon said:

They didn't turn the ball over much in either game, and both teams missed their 3's. Kentucky was 2-22 and Kansas was 7-27. When they beat Kansas, they were 9-18 on 3's. Against Kentucky, there were only 6-25 but 22-34 inside the arc. Looking at the ESPN PBP, those were almost all layups and dunks, no jumpers.

Tenn. was also on some crazy emotional high during the Kansas game because they had basically 7 guys on the roster at that point (hence by Pearl's son gets so much playing time and he got tons that game). With Kentucky, Tenn played them three times, much like Gtown and Cuse and just like Gtown and Cuse the lower ranked team won once, Tenn's win just happen to come during the reg season. (not to mention Kentucky is the most vulnerable one seed i have ever seen and could easily lose to anyone in the field with a good coach and video review staff)

B52, who is off the roster at Tenn? I couldnt keep up with who left for good and who came back. Which players left for good from the opening roster?

The two games against Kansas and Kentucky were certainly stand out wins for the Vols, but are more anomalies than anything else IMO. Good points by jgalt, and also it should be noted that both games were at home. They lost by near 30 just the other day to Kentucky on a neutral floor.

They lost Tyler Smith for good as he was kicked off the team. Cameron Tatum, Brian Williams, and Melvin Goins were also involved in the incident, but they are all back on the team playing now. Of those guys, Smith was the only starter and a likely 1st Team All SEC player, so he was a big loss. They clearly were able to play some good basketball without him though.

[jackdog74]

I like our chances against both Tennessee and OSU. Tennessee beat two #1 seeds at home in emotionally charged atmospheres. But there's a reason they're a six. See USC game.

As for OSU, the Big Ten is a steaming pile of dog manure. If Robbie Hummel had not blown out his knee, Purdue runs through the rest of the Big Ten and Big Ten tournament. Purdue would have been a legit #1 with us as a 2 and OSU as the 3. I think that injury cannot be overlooked.

So OSU wins a weak Big Ten. Remember, we beat this team in Dayton. And if Ted "The Show" Valentine understood the difference between a block and a charge, we would have beat them in Atlanta. I like our boys. We can beat anyone.

[GUJook97]

I feel like we all had the same discussion with respect to Gonzaga in 2008. Not that we should be taking Ohio lightly ourselves, but as was said above, I dont see how SDSU-Tennessee isnt a dead toss up. The line is already down to 3 and I bet it moves even more.

[rosslynhoya]

Mar 15, 2010 8:34:40 GMT -5 GUJook97 said:

I feel like we all had the same discussion with respect to Gonzaga in 2008.

Boo!! Hiss!!!!!

[GUJook97]

Well, it's true!

[FLHoya]

Mar 15, 2010 8:39:38 GMT -5 rosslynhoya said:

Mar 15, 2010 8:34:40 GMT -5 GUJook97 said:

I feel like we all had the same discussion with respect to Gonzaga in 2008.

Boo!! Hiss!!!!!

That's as good an excuse as any to share this depressing nugget: immediately after the BET Final on Saturday night, I was in the lobby of the Hotel Penn, when what should I see but a dude wearing a Stephen Curry #30 Davidson jersey under his unzipped jacket.

That'd be nice to get a tournament win or few and put that business a little more to bed.