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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on May 13, 2010 9:30:23 GMT -5
I've also heard the fact that she was smokey. But i'm skeptical of that idea, mostly because she died. As far as we know stabbing the smoke monster with that exact knife doesn't kill it. Unless it's something like only some one who's "special" can kill the smoke monster. I just don't buy that.
I'm also still unsure of what exactly happened while MiB was knocked out. He wakes up and the well has been filled in and the village is destroyed. 1) how long was he out? 2) Did she destroy the village or did she influence the people to speed up the process of " they come they destroy etc" and they really destroyed each other 3) whatever she did, how did she do it?
The producers always insist the show is about the characters and that's what they really care about in the long run. That's the answers we'll get is what happens to these characters. Some of the island mystery stuff may not get answered.
I think we won't fully be able to judge this season and the series until after the finale and it's all drawn together. I still believe they'll tie the sideways together in a satisfactory way.
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Post by TC on May 13, 2010 10:10:35 GMT -5
As far as we know stabbing the smoke monster with that exact knife doesn't kill it. Unless it's something like only some one who's "special" can kill the smoke monster. Do we know that? Sayid was supposed to stab Fake Locke before he said a word, and Fake Locke said "Hello" before Sayid stabbed him. On the other hand, MiB sneaks up behind Fake Mommy and stabs her before she says anything. |
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on May 13, 2010 10:25:25 GMT -5
I suppose that could be true, but i always took that to be figurative rather than literal, like if you let him talk to you he'll talk you out of it.
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Post by Nevada Hoya on May 13, 2010 15:08:57 GMT -5
There was definitely not entirely clear on a lot of things and left us wanting to know more some stuff that we'll probably never know. ( How does the "mom" have powers? when did she get to the island? What exactly happened when jacob's brother went into the source?- My theory his soul was transformed into the smoke monster taking his darkness and making it into pure evil. Or did it just free the evil in there and he died and the evil co-opted his image? Or something else?) Of course, "mom" came from the West Wing of the island.  I didn't know what to make of Jacob's twin turning into the smoke monster and his body wrapped up in branches, since he was known to be talking to Jacob later on and taking the appearance of Locke. I guess the evil spirit took his body, but he was not allowed to kill Jacob directly. In the course of this episode neither Jacob nor ____ was exactly an example of goodness. Jacob sided with his "mom" who killed his real mom, so ____ speaking to his real mom's spirit made him a little more likeable. But when he undergoes the change to the smoke monster, all bets were off. |
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Post by Boz on May 18, 2010 21:41:37 GMT -5
Poor Richard. A rube to the end.
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Post by TC on May 18, 2010 21:43:38 GMT -5
Poor Richard. A rube to the end. This episode was a lot better than last week. I give it 8 out of 10 blood-of-Jacob drinks from what must have been some dysentery-filled river water. |
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Post by TC on May 18, 2010 22:54:45 GMT -5
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Post by strummer8526 on May 18, 2010 23:20:48 GMT -5
One of my favorite parts of the episode: Jacob's "Those were just some names written on a wall in chalk." Translation: "Not everything in this show has some cosmic significance, so stop looking for it." I have never expected that this show was going to explain the meaning of life. But it has been damn entertaining for five years now, and I'm incredibly excited to see how they bring it home (and for that matter, what they choose to bring home and what they choose to leave as "just some names written on a wall").
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Post by Nevada Hoya on May 19, 2010 14:04:00 GMT -5
Poor Richard. A rube to the end. I thought Richard was not supposed to die.  |
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on May 19, 2010 14:38:06 GMT -5
So now that jack is the new jacob, Does that mean the smoke monster can't kill him and he'll need ben to do it? Although I guess technically he couldn't kill any of the candidates anyway. How's he going to kill them now that they know he's trying to kill them. Or will he just forget about trying to kill them and just go after the source now? Sunday's going to be awesome.
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Post by kchoya on May 19, 2010 14:57:51 GMT -5
Poor Richard. A rube to the end. I thought Richard was not supposed to die. Who said he's dead? |
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Post by TC on May 19, 2010 17:02:41 GMT -5
Maybe he and Lapidas are playing catch with Vincent, Rose, and Bernard in a circle of characters we'll never see any resolution for.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on May 19, 2010 18:04:53 GMT -5
Rose, bernard, and vincent got their resolution. They're all living happily in a hut on the island. They have no desire to leave, and they're at peace. Of course this peace would be rudely interrupted if MIB blows up the island, but they seem at peace and ready to die if it should come to that.
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Post by Boz on May 19, 2010 18:14:42 GMT -5
;D Happy birthday a few days early, Moz. |
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Post by Nevada Hoya on May 19, 2010 20:10:57 GMT -5
I thought Richard was not supposed to die. Who said he's dead? Jen Chaney: That's very true. But when he did he realize he should take advantage of that opportunity? After Smokey showed up. I don't think he had a particular plan in place until MIB killed poor Richard (so much for "Ab Aeterno"). |
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Post by TC on May 23, 2010 22:57:12 GMT -5
Good overall but I'll save my 4 or 5 complaints till tomorrow.
9 out of 10 Duck Tapes
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Post by hoopsmccan on May 24, 2010 9:07:08 GMT -5
I think overall a good job. The first half focus on relationships I think hit the mark. Mrs. McCann had the tissues ready for the Penny/Desmond reunion that never materialized (Penny did make a cameo in the church at the end...good thing they gave a bunch of the ex-Losties series on ABC). The sideways resolved itself decently well...I liked that even in a created reality, some people still made themselves the bad guy (Locke causing dad's injury, Sayid still a killer, and Kate still wanted). The whole 'it was the most important time in your life' thing is a bit weak...I guess their lives were a bit meaningless pre-island, but I hope Kate and Sawyer didn't hook up after they got off the island or that could make for a pretty awkward eternity.
There are a ton of things that weren't tied up neatly (or at all), but I gave up on much of that through the course of this season. Sad to see the show go...even at its worst, it was better and more ambitious than most shows out there.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on May 24, 2010 9:07:46 GMT -5
I loved it. I can see some people being disappointed, but on the whole i think the majority of people will be very happy with the way the show ended. I thought it was great and a perfecting ending with jack closing his eye.
besides addressing what the heck happened just a couple of issues i want to touch on.
1) Michael and Walt. There seemed to be a lot of grumbling about why Michael and Walt weren't in the place that the losties created to meet back up again and have their happy endings. In my mind they basically addressed that with Michael saying he wasn't ready to move on yet. That's my explanation at least.
2) As the credits rolled they showed footage of the wreckage on the beach. What was that? It totally threw me because i kept expecting something to happen and I thought it was part of the episode. Seemed out of place.
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Post by hoopsmccan on May 24, 2010 9:23:08 GMT -5
I loved it. I can see some people being disappointed, but on the whole i think the majority of people will be very happy with the way the show ended. I thought it was great and a perfecting ending with jack closing his eye. besides addressing what the heck happened just a couple of issues i want to touch on. 1) Michael and Walt. There seemed to be a lot of grumbling about why Michael and Walt weren't in the place that the losties created to meet back up again and have their happy endings. In my mind they basically addressed that with Michael saying he wasn't ready to move on yet. That's my explanation at least. 2) As the credits rolled they showed footage of the wreckage on the beach. What was that? It totally threw me because i kept expecting something to happen and I thought it was part of the episode. Seemed out of place. On #2, I kept expecting Jimmy Kimmel to step out of the wreckage. Once that didn't happen, I thought maybe it meant another plane crashed and things would start again for others...though I don't know who the MIB would be. Jack was in a similar position as Jacob's brother, but there was no indication he had become smokey. |
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Post by mchoya on May 24, 2010 9:36:55 GMT -5
I loved it. I can see some people being disappointed, but on the whole i think the majority of people will be very happy with the way the show ended. I thought it was great and a perfecting ending with jack closing his eye. besides addressing what the heck happened just a couple of issues i want to touch on. 1) Michael and Walt. There seemed to be a lot of grumbling about why Michael and Walt weren't in the place that the losties created to meet back up again and have their happy endings. In my mind they basically addressed that with Michael saying he wasn't ready to move on yet. That's my explanation at least. 2) As the credits rolled they showed footage of the wreckage on the beach. What was that? It totally threw me because i kept expecting something to happen and I thought it was part of the episode. Seemed out of place. 1) Michael wasn't able to move on because he killed Ana Lucia and Libby, so he was doomed to walk the island. As far as Walt is concerned, I think Christian said that the sideways-time was created as a place where the castaways could all unite because it was the most meaningful time they had. Walt got off the island when he was 13. I think he lived a life where his time on the island wasn't the most meaningful time they had, thus he didn't to be at the sideways-Lamp Post 2) I think the wreckage was just meant to show all that was left of the castaways after they had come to accept death. Also, there were about 12 commercial breaks and 45 minutes of commercials. If there was ever a finale made for DVR, this was it. That being said, I thought the last sequence, starting with Locke and Ben at the church, was a great closer and probably one of the best sequences to come from Lost. |
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