OFFICIAL LOST SEASON 6 THREAD

[hoopsmccan]

May 5, 2010 0:20:14 GMT -5 Boz said:

Frank Lapidus came all this way just for that??

Who did Jeff Fahey Edited off anyway??

He had the Ensign Ricky look about him this season...once they didn't need him to fly the plane, that was it. What the heck are Ben and Richard doing?

[Boz]

FWIW, the Washington Post girls think that Lapidus is still alive. I don't buy it.

A. What's the point? Unless they want him to serve as some deus ex machina solution to some upcoming conflict.

B. OK, I realize that I am watching a show that involves time travel, smoke monsters, disappearing islands, ghosts and people who talk to them. However, getting slammed and knocked out by a 1,000-lb. bulkhead door on a submarine that is rapidly sinking to the bottom of the ocean (or at least lagoon) might even test my ability to suspend disbelief.

More thoughts later if I have time this afternoon.

[jgalt]

May 5, 2010 11:00:54 GMT -5 hoopsmccan said:

May 5, 2010 0:20:14 GMT -5 Boz said:

Frank Lapidus came all this way just for that??

Who did Jeff Fahey Edited off anyway??

He had the Ensign Ricky look about him this season...once they didn't need him to fly the plane, that was it. What the heck are Ben and Richard doing?

Miles is with them too, blew my mind last night when i remembered those three still existed.

[HoyaSinceBirth]

All I can say is the final 4 hrs are going to be epic.

[jgalt]

May 5, 2010 12:40:40 GMT -5 HoyaSinceBirth said:

All I can say is the final 4 hrs are going to be epic.

Or an epic let down ;D Im trying not to get my hopes up so my spirit isnt crushed.

Plus with Breaking Bad going to 11 on the blow my mind scale (figuratively and literally) this week, Lost will have a tough time blowing me away

[kchoya]

May 5, 2010 12:40:40 GMT -5 HoyaSinceBirth said:

All I can say is the final 4 hrs are going to be epic.

Apparently the finale will be 2.5 hours.

[HoyaSinceBirth]

yeah i learned that too. Very exciting.

[vcjack]

I'm going to go ahead and predict that tonight's episode is going to be sick

[HoyaSinceBirth]

Um wow.

I'm sure some will be unsatisfied with some of the answers, mainly just what exactly the light is since that's not 100% clear( It immediately made me think of the briefcase from pulp fiction)

but we learned the origin of the donkey wheel and who adam and eve are. Where Jacob and the man in black came from ( really you couldn't give him a name? He looked like justin bieber)

There was definitely not entirely clear on a lot of things and left us wanting to know more some stuff that we'll probably never know. ( How does the "mom" have powers? when did she get to the island? What exactly happened when jacob's brother went into the source?- My theory his soul was transformed into the smoke monster taking his darkness and making it into pure evil. Or did it just free the evil in there and he died and the evil co-opted his image? Or something else?)


Still makes it very unclear who's in the right in this battle. Jacob and his brother have a very odd relationship.

but still amazing episode

[RBHoya]

Insane episode. Loved it. I too wish we had more insight into how Jacob/MiB's adopted mother got to the island, or how in the hell she knows such perfect English. Or, more about the people who MiB was associating with. But still, sick episode and I love the back story of the Jacob/MiB relationship. Jacob seemed a lot more vulnerable tonight, but I still think he is the coolest character in the show.

Just amazing sometimes, when I think back to how far the show has come, what it's "about" now vs. what it seemed to be "about" early on... it has totally changed, but still awesome.

The two main things I think they have to rectify in the final stretch here are 1) Resolve the 2 timelines and 2) What is the island--the original question posed in this series ("Guys... where are we??") and I don't think it has been fully answered yet. I'm unbelievably excited for next week, which will officially be "Lost Week" for me.

[TC]

Meh. The Locke/Kate/Jack scene at the end really soured me on this episode, and goes to my contention that they are treating the audience like children this season. Also felt that Allison Janney was distracting - an unknown actress or less well known actress would have been better.

With two episodes left, can you really afford to spend an entire episode not moving the story forward whatsoever?

[vcjack]

"or how in the hell she knows such perfect English."

They were talking in Latin first and then there was a noise and switched to English to indicate that they are "still" talking in Latin but they just want to make it easier for the actors and audience (think Sean Connery switching from Russian to English in Hunt for the Red October and then back again to Russian when Alec Baldwin gets on the sub)

[Boz]

I agree with TC, except that "two episodes left" is really a misclassification.

In truth, there are about three and a half episodes left, just airing on two nights.

I'm not saying I didn't like the episode, just that I think it should have come a little sooner in the season. There is nothing in last night's episode that ties directly to the specific events of the previous episode, nor is there anything in there that would have given anything away, had it been aired further in advance of "the war," for lack of a better term.

I too did not like Allison Janney, nor the little inside joke at the beginning about how Jacob and _____'s real mother's name was Claudia. Ha, ha, we get it. (In fairness, they do this on Lost a lot, including shout outs to other shows like Seinfeld; I've never really thought very many of them were all that clever).

IMO, who Adam and Eve are is a pretty minor mystery. I'm glad they revealed it, but I don't think it required as much time as they spent on it.

Now, criticisms aside, it really was a great episode, mainly because I think the two guys playing Jacob and ______ do such a great job. (Even the actors who played them as children gave me a very Lord of the Flies vibe.)

But it leads to some questions:

CJ Cregg made the speech at the beginning that we heard from ____ at the beginning of last season. ("The come, they corrupt, they kill, it all ends the same.") But that's not what happened at all. She killed them all. So:

1. We are led to believe that CJ was Jacob before Jacob became Jacob (i.e. protector). I don't buy it. I think she was protector AND destroyer. In other words she was also the Smoke Monster before _____ became the smoke monster.

2. If she really killed them all, does her speech, the one that _____ gave to Jacob have any merit at all? OK, so maybe those people in the village were "bad people," and maybe others who came to the island were similarly "bad people." But it is Smokie who does far more corrupting and killing than any of the people. In my estimation, that speech is a condemnation not of the people who come to the island, but of Smokie's role on the island.

3. I was disappointed that last night's episode did not clear up some of the rules of the game. Jacob and ____ can't kill each other, but apparently they can beat the snot out of each other. (And technically, Jacob did kill his brother.) But the reason we get is that their "mother" said they can't?? Really?? That's the reason? Also, it was not explained why they can't kill candidates.

I think that third question might get answered in the final hours.

I'll try to think of some more stuff today.

[HoyaSinceBirth]

yeah i knew hardcore losties would get Editeded about the flash backs to season 1, but not everyone who watches lost remembers that stuff and would've made the connection so i was fine with it.

I think they waited till now just because they wanted the suspense and build up for the origin of jacob and the smokemonster( although we're a little hazy on that).

I was listening to the radio this morning and they said something about a cable satellite being out of orbit that may knock out cable on the night of the lost finale and the 24 finale the following day. I hope that doesn't come to pass.

[HoyaSinceBirth]

the creators on the inclusion of the season 1 footage:

Getting back to Adam and Eve for a second, can you talk me through the thought process of including that flashback to "House of the Rising Sun." Was there ever a thought of not having it in there and hoping the viewer could fill in the blanks, or did you just feel that the skeletons were too obscure a mystery to not have that extra context?

DL: The reason that we put it in certainly wasn't because we thought it was too obscure and we wanted to hit people over the heads with it. It was more a matter of, here's an episode where our characters don't appear in it at all, and we wanted to make it clear to the audience that this little family drama, this dysfunctional relationship between these three people is really responsible for everything that's happening to the passengers of Oceanic 815. We wanted to illustrate that by, at the very end of the show saying, "Oh, right, Jack and Kate and Locke are affected by the fact that Mother decided to raise her kids this way, and Jacob ended up bringing these people to the island." The idea was to say that this chapter of the series is significant to the story we've been telling you, and that the series is about the survivors of Oceanic 815. To have an episode that they did not appear in at all was never our intention.

CC: We also liked the juxtaposition of what those characters were like in "House of the Rising Sun" versus where they are now. We felt it was interesting for the audience to see the growth, the change, the evolution, the degree to which these characters had been affected by their time on the island. And we felt that the most effective way to do that was to recontextualize the Adam and Eve discovery by replaying that scene. It really provided a contrast that shows you how these characters have evolved.

www.hitfix.com/blogs/whats-alan-watching/posts/exclusive-interview-lost-producers-damon-lindelof-and-carlton-cuse-talk-across-the-sea

[TC]

Yeah, that's a bunch of nonsense. They put it in for casual viewers and it was distracting to focus on Jacob/MiB for an entire episode and then throw in 20 seconds of Jack/Kate/Locke. If they wanted to tie it in to today, they would have continued the split narrative (half 815'ers, half flashback story) with a theme in present day tying it into the Jacob/MiB story.

[strummer8526]

See, I do buy that explanation. The cut to Jack/Kate/Locke almost made me nostalgic or something...like remember the days when finding fresh water was their big problem of the episode? The cut scene really didn't bother me at all.

[HoyaSinceBirth]

my favorite quote from that interview:
"As we've gone into this final season and you've introduced new characters like Dogen and Lennon and the other Temple people, and new mysteries, there have been some people who've said, "Okay, they don't have to answer all the old mysteries if they don't want to, but it's not fair for them to keep introducing lots of new ones at this late date." How do you respond to that?

DL: Are there any readers who actually like the show?"

[jgalt]

May 11, 2010 21:22:11 GMT -5 HoyaSinceBirth said:

Um wow.

I'm sure some will be unsatisfied with some of the answers, mainly just what exactly the light is since that's not 100% clear( It immediately made me think of the briefcase from pulp fiction)

No you are not the only one:

www.bestweekever.tv/2010-05-12/lost-recap-across-the-sea-of-doubleyou-tee-eff/

for as jokie as the Best Week Ever recaps are I find that they are the most practical and useful for organizing your thoughts. All these other sites that try to get to heavy into the symbolism just kind of get bogged down in all the minutia.

Any way from the BWE recap, I agree with them that the family was acting much more like gods from Greek Mythology than any Judaic religion (though they should have been speaking Greek i guess) but it doesnt explain the direct symbolism of the name Jacob or him drinking blessed wine to take over the island.

I, like most of you guys, think that MiB was favored all along and still was because the mom wasnt completely good. I think she embodied both of them, but when she stole twins that allowed her to divide her "power." I think that she was Smokie all along and that MiB going into the light only reincarnated the smoke after she died. She had to be Smokie when she destroyed the people's village.

I, of course, have adjusted my expectations for the show and am not expecting a great life changing revelation, but i have begun to think i would have enjoyed the series much better had it just been the losties, a native tribe who hates visitors, and some magical island; including all the dahrma stuff (though alot of that could have stayed). I would have like to see "Lord of the Flies" with adults who have some interesting over laps in their past lives, plus some crazy religious natives who hate them and have killed everyone else who has come.

Getting off the island should have been the focus of the show more than all this candidate stuff. Even if you want to include a ploy line about people fighting over control of the island, thats ok, but the focus of the main characters should have been getting off the island not what it has become today.

Basically i think the focus of the show has become too broad and that has negatively effected the depth of the drama of the show. I am less connected to any of the characters now than i was in season 2. I dont care about them in the sideways time line. And i am really not willing to sit through any more painfully obvious "surprises" and back of the head "who is it?s". I can see all that coming from miles away and it really detracts from the show.

The show should have focused on how people react and adapt when faced with being lost on an island (which is what i thought it was going to be) not why is there all this stupid symbolism with everything. If I wanted to watch a show that had all sorts of symbolism and inter woven plot lines I would have re-watched "Day Break" with Taye Diggs (which was a vastly under rated show).

[hoopsmccan]

Seems like you should have jumped off the bus 4 seasons ago...