hoyadrummer
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Post by hoyadrummer on Feb 18, 2005 16:33:35 GMT -5
First I'd like to make it clear I don't want Esh to fail. Frankly I could care less how he does at anything. If he rebounds and has a great career, awesome. If nothing works out for the guy, it's a shame. That being said, it's amazing that so many on this board are so supportive of a coach who refused to acknowledge the concerns and opinions of his own fanbase. Esherick is family, he's a Hoya, someone who dedicated 25 years to GU Hoops, and you support family, even when they make mistakes, even if those mistakes meant he had to be let go, you still support him, because he's family.
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RDF
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Post by RDF on Feb 18, 2005 16:33:52 GMT -5
When I saw the title, I thought this was about him replacing Jim Henson's son as voice of Muppets. That's something he MIGHT be able to do without screwing it up, but then again, I would guess he would lose Miss Piggy and Beaker to Sesame Street as they wanted to "become better Puppets, but Esh didn't allow them to work extra on having people stick hands up their rear and do voices".
The man's ego knows no boundary and it's amazing. After his commentary last March sealed his fate and seeing how a coach and Staff do make a difference, I'm hoping Esh gets to take his "greatness" to Las Cruces and show the Aggies what a "heck of a coach" looks like. Maybe McKinley Boston will have Blake the Bonecrusher Esherick help in Strength and Conditioning---"LIFT YOUR HANDS HIGH AND DESTROY THE SIGNS!"
I know New Mexico refers to their arena as "The Pit" well having Esh coach at NMSU would be the "PITS" and they could call their arena "The TOILET" as in where the program would be heading.
some may find this too harsh and give the "he's a GU grad, etc...." but his ego and mouth open the lanes for a good verbal beating. I hope he does well but to succeed he needs to change a lot of things and from this article, he's not shown that has happened or will anytime soon.
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jahidihoya
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Post by jahidihoya on Feb 18, 2005 16:38:48 GMT -5
More cathartic Esh-inspired laughs:
1) Losing to Seton Hall's SIX players 2) Walking off the court for about five minutes to go to the bathroom during a conference game!
Look, I wish him the best. In fact, I would LOVE it if Syracuse or UConn would hire him!
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HoyaSox04
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Post by HoyaSox04 on Feb 18, 2005 16:45:13 GMT -5
Esherick is family, he's a Hoya, someone who dedicated 25 years to GU Hoops, and you support family, even when they make mistakes, even if those mistakes meant he had to be let go, you still support him, because he's family. Great, I'm glad he's family. How about you tell all the die-hard republicans who've graduated from GTown, like Antonin Scalia, how Bill Clinton is a fellow hoya and therefore is family and should be supported like a brother, no matter what he's done wrong in the past. Can you do me a favor and videotape that conversation for me?
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Post by HoyaSox04 on Feb 18, 2005 16:50:32 GMT -5
Seriously, I don't understand what's with all this "He's a hoya for life, blah blah blah" sentiment, so now we can't talk bad about him.
The man was a bad head basketball coach for our program. What's wrong with saying that? He will more than likely be a bad head coach elsewhere. Do I wish ill will upon the man? No, truthfully I don't give a crap about him anymore. That doesn't mean I can't diss him for ruining three years of my college experience. I'm sorry that all you people who didn't go to GTown the last three years didn't get a chance to experience in person how bad things really were. If you did, you might not be telling some of us to lay off him.
I hope he really does run the one-fist/two-fist offense better than any team in the Sun Belt conference, I really do. One thing's for sure, the game of college basketball sure misses that mustachio of his.
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GIGAFAN99
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Feb 18, 2005 17:08:07 GMT -5
Oh yeah and from the Aluquerque Tribune:
"Esherick is a college basketball analyst for AOL Radio. He said the job gives him the chance to travel and learn from other coaches. "
Alright, let's see who can spin this so that Esh seems like an arrogant SOB who thinks he's the greatest coach ever.
Any "I'm sure that's a mistake by the writer" comments don't count.
And...go.
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Post by FormerHoya on Feb 18, 2005 17:16:39 GMT -5
"Esherick continued stating,'I've been able to pick up some great hairstyling tips from Gene Keady, some pointers on academics from Bob Huggins, and while he doesn't coach basketball, I got some great ideas on how to conduct myself off the field from Mike Price."
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Joe Hoya
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Post by Joe Hoya on Feb 18, 2005 17:17:58 GMT -5
Oh yeah and from the Aluquerque Tribune: "Esherick is a college basketball analyst for AOL Radio. He said the job gives him the chance to travel and learn from other coaches. " Alright, let's see who can spin this so that Esh seems like an arrogant SOB who thinks he's the greatest coach ever. Any "I'm sure that's a mistake by the writer" comments don't count. And...go. Give the posters on the board about an hour and there will be 43 comments about it, so don't worry. Again, I'd like to hear what he was asked before he said that "heck of a coach" remark. Quotes are always thrown into articles, and rarely are they included in the context in which they were said. If he volunteered it, then fine, go ahead and question it. But if he was asked how he thinks he would do, I would expect any person to say the same thing.
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TBird41
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Post by TBird41 on Feb 18, 2005 17:18:53 GMT -5
"Esherick continued stating,'I've been able to pick up some great hairstyling tips from Gene Keady, some pointers on academics from Bob Huggins, and while he doesn't coach basketball, I got some great ideas on how to conduct myself off the field from Mike Price." Esh: "I also plan on incorporating Larry Eustachy's ideas about the proper way to hit on sorority girls-I mean, sometimes you can't find a strip joint worth spending time in, but you can ALWAYS find quality co-eds"
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FormerHoya
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Post by FormerHoya on Feb 18, 2005 17:20:16 GMT -5
He probably talked to Larry Eustachy about proper off the court behavior as well. Absolutely. I can't believe I forgot that one. Good catch. Of course, both of those guys have jobs again.
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jahidihoya
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Post by jahidihoya on Feb 18, 2005 17:27:53 GMT -5
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Post by FromTheBeginning on Feb 18, 2005 17:31:08 GMT -5
"I don't want Craig to fail------I could care less about him" "Do I wish ill upon the man? No. ------ I don't give a crap about him" Come on guys - let's not mince words. You hope he fails at whatever he does. Let's not try to play both sides of the street. Esh is gone - why can't you concentrate on the positive things we have in front of us instead of jumping at every opportunity to dance on the man's grave. Craig was a friend of mine and I'm sorry things ended the way they did - but that was of his doing. But the key word here is "end". Let's just give it a rest
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jahidihoya
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Post by jahidihoya on Feb 18, 2005 17:32:07 GMT -5
Another cathartic Esh moment:
Turning down the NIT invitation
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Post by Fan Of The Game on Feb 18, 2005 17:34:30 GMT -5
That said, I certainly hope Esherick lands on his feet with a head coaching position and succeeds. There is no good reason to hope he fails. I don't think anyone is hoping he fails, more predicting. Ask me if I think Othella Harrington is going to end up in the NBA hall of fame. When I tell you I don't think he will, it doesn't mean I don't like Othella, it doesn't mean I don't want him to become a better player and someday reach that goal. It's just an observation based on his past success. Although, I guess to make this methaphor more accurate, Othella would have had to have insisted at some point to the media that they should name the Hall of Fame after him.
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Feb 18, 2005 17:38:26 GMT -5
"I don't want Craig to fail------I could care less about him" "Do I wish ill upon the man? No. ------ I don't give a crap about him" Come on guys - let's not mince words. You hope he fails at whatever he does. Let's not try to play both sides of the street. Esh is gone - why can't you concentrate on the positive things we have in front of us instead of jumping at every opportunity to dance on the man's grave. Craig was a friend of mine and I'm sorry things ended the way they did - but that was of his doing. But the key word here is "end". Let's just give it a rest This is a Hoya basketball forum, so Esherick is fair game. This thread is just one in a sea of many positive threads, so there is more than enough balance. The thing is that I think people are being quite fair to him. Having people "wish him well" is more than you would have gotten six months ago, if you ask me. Sure, it probably sounds phony because a bunch of people wanted to throw him under the bus, but I think it is more important to recognize how things have progressed and recognize that Hoya fans are now willing to give him the benefit of the doubt in some respects as he seeks other opportunities. If we are not welcoming of this development, I do not see how the stuff about Esherick will end.
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RDF
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Post by RDF on Feb 18, 2005 17:55:09 GMT -5
The question I have is why is the guy going public about APPLYING for a job?? What normal person who doesn't have an overinflated sense of their abilities talks about themselves in reference to a job interview?? He's dug his own grave with Hoya followers and if you choose to ignore that, I have no problem with it, but he's fair game and brought this response on with his own words and poor performance.
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Joe Hoya
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Post by Joe Hoya on Feb 18, 2005 17:59:55 GMT -5
I get the impression that he didn't call up any newspapers, he probably received a call from a NM writer after the writer asked the NMSU AD if anyone had applied for the job.
And also, RDF you posted earlier about New Mexico and "The Pit"...I don't know if you noticed, but the opening is at New Mexico State, not New Mexico. Not that it matters, just wanted to clear it up.
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Feb 18, 2005 18:05:12 GMT -5
I get the impression that he didn't call up any newspapers, he probably received a call from a NM writer after the writer asked the NMSU AD if anyone had applied for the job. The proper thing to do in those circumstances is not to discuss things. Right now, he looks like a once-fired high major coach who is campaigning for a low-major job, and he isn't doing anything for his image either. What would have happened if a candidate for the GU job talked in the press, solicited or not by a reporter? Much as the folks who criticized him need to come to grips with the fact that he might get a job elsewhere on the basis of his qualifications, the Esh-defenders need to come to grips with Esherick's limitations and ineptitudes. For Esherick's sake, I hope the search process at NMSU does not involve and examination of this board because they might turn up some stuff that would damage his candidacy if press clippings are not enough.
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Post by FOTP on Feb 18, 2005 18:05:37 GMT -5
I love the fact that his chief competition right now is the video guy from Texas Tech who was a high school coach previously. Just made me chuckle.
Esh will get the job because to quote another famount flame out in DC sports: "He's cheap and available".
Good luck Craig...go get em!!!
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RDF
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Post by RDF on Feb 18, 2005 18:12:01 GMT -5
Joe, you probably dont' want to go back and re-read what I posted but I was quite aware that the opening is at NMSU and my reference to the Pit was a comparison of what the Aggies will be able to call their Arena should Esherick grace their sideline---"The Toilet" as in where the program is heading.
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