lichoya68
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Post by lichoya68 on Dec 30, 2009 17:51:57 GMT -5
ok this could be barker daviss last hoya game so hoyas payback and win one for fellow hoya barker davis multilple incentives here go hoyas GO BARKER HAPPY NEW YEAR
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sleepy
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Post by sleepy on Dec 30, 2009 19:35:35 GMT -5
You are exactly right. People will see what they want to see, and its fine if you want to write off last year and make a lot of excuses for it, but we flat out underachieved. And, heck yes, I do think the collapse would have happened. Please dont tell me it had to do with unfortunate circumstances and scheduling. We stunk. We were losing to EVERYBODY. You could make a very strong case that we were the biggest disappointment in college basketball last season. That at least deserves some caution in judging this year. Last time I checked, we have mostly the same guys. It's not like I am saying we are bad, but the jury is definitely still out. And, I really dont think our wins this year are much better than last. I never made any excuses for it, but just said it would have gone down differently if things had played out in different ways. I think the same thing about the 2007 team, that was a perfect storm of fortunate circumstances. A lot of things had to break the right way for us to be that good that year, and a lot of things had to break the wrong way for us to be as bad as we were last year. That doesn't excuse what happened, as a lot of the breaks were in the players and coaches controls, its just an observation. Ands its not writing the past off, buts its pretty ridiculous to say we are in the exact same position we were in coming into last year. Last years team hadn't gone through an experience like last year, than in and of itself, completely changes the position we are in. What, do we think only the fans remember last year? That the players and coaches have no idea that they could end up 7-11 if they don't bring it every night? Do we really think the players are feeling as confident and high and mighty entering Big East play as they did last year coming in as defending champions? Really? No where did I give the impression I thought we were going to be world beaters, or say I even thought we were going improve on last year. Just that we are a different team than last year. And when, exactly, is the jury going to be in on this team? After the Duke game, because if we haven't collapsed by then, then we must be safe, right? Because thats when we collapsed last year. Oh, maybe we are just late bloomers, so we won't collapse until mid-February, so the jury will wait until then. Please. The jury is just as much out on us as it is on every team in the country right now. |
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lichoya68
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Post by lichoya68 on Dec 30, 2009 20:20:24 GMT -5
THEJURY IS OUT HOPE WE HAVE TWELVE ANGRY MEN SHOW UP EARLY TOMMARROW FOR THAT JURY OOPS IS IT 11 OR TEN NOT SURE ANYMORE BUT WE ARE GEORGETOWN AND ITS FEBRUARY THIS REALLY COUNTS NOW NO MORE OOC STUFF LET THE GAMES BEGIN see you tomarrow nite folks we are georgetown and its nEW YEARS EVE GO HOYAS HENRY TIME TO BE REALLY REALLY MEAN NOW TEMPUS FUGIT.. ALIA JACTA EST.. CARPE DEIM ETC ETC ETC NOW IS NOW GO HOYAS ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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lichoya68
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Post by lichoya68 on Dec 30, 2009 20:21:24 GMT -5
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GUJook97
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Post by GUJook97 on Dec 30, 2009 20:39:18 GMT -5
I respectfully disagree, sleepy. Last year at this time, we looked to be a good enough team and then fell apart. So, right now, I am skeptical about whether we will underachieve again. The difference, like you said, is whether we can get over the hump and learn from last year.
Basically, you are saying that you are allowed to consider last year for growth and experience purposes, but I am not allowed to consider last year for the negative aspects - i.e., underachieving.
And, again, you seem to perceive last year much differently than me. That is fine, but I dont know what you are talking about regarding the collapse and how long one needs to wait to determine it. It was pretty definitive. After the Syracuse game, we flat out stunk. I would argue, that even in the wins, Depaul, Rutgers, for example, we played quite poorly, and that doesnt account for the fact that we lost like 7 of 8 games.
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Post by sleepy on Dec 30, 2009 21:02:09 GMT -5
I respectfully disagree, sleepy. Last year at this time, we looked to be a good enough team and then fell apart. So, right now, I am skeptical about whether we will underachieve again. The difference, like you said, is whether we can get over the hump and learn from last year. Basically, you are saying that you are allowed to consider last year for growth and experience purposes, but I am not allowed to consider last year for the negative aspects - i.e., underachieving. And, again, you seem to perceive last year much differently than me. That is fine, but I dont know what you are talking about regarding the collapse and how long one needs to wait to determine it. It was pretty definitive. After the Syracuse game, we flat out stunk. I would argue, that even in the wins, Depaul, Rutgers, for example, we played quite poorly, and that doesnt account for the fact that we lost like 7 of 8 games. No I am not saying you can use last year for growth and experience purposes but not for the negative aspects. But you are not taking anything negative from last year and applying it to this year. You are taking positive things from last year and applying them to this year in a negative way. If you were saying we lack the team cohesiveness that caused last years collapse that would be one thing. Or we can't defend or rebound or score any better than last year, again that would be one thing. That would make sense. But what you, and others, are doing and saying is "hey we seem to be good right now, but because that didn't hold up last year we shouldn't expect it to this year" without applying any logical facts to the arguement. Sorry but thats not really good enough imo. I am skepticle of this team, but not because of what they did last year. Because I am ALWAYS skepticle of teams before February, and not just Georgetown teams either. Can we improve our defense? Are we going to be able to hold up our shooting? And control tempo against better teams? Keep our defensive rebounding up and improve careless turnovers? These are things to be skepticle about. And last years problems started LONG before the Syracuse game.We "flat out stunk" against Pitt and played pretty well @ Duke after the cuse game. And sure we played poorly in some wins, but we also played well in a few losses. Just not good enough to win. But really, who wants to talk about all of that again? Lets just do our best against St Johns. |
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Post by GUJook97 on Dec 30, 2009 21:38:40 GMT -5
Again, I dont see why you cant be skeptical based alone on the fact that said team, filled with many of the same players and coached by the same guy, underachieved last year. Seems pretty logical. Maybe it is because I am Mets fans and saw my team underachieve for two collapses in a row....Obviously, we all want to move on from last year, but all I am saying is that I am skeptical for that reason.
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Post by sleepy on Dec 30, 2009 21:53:35 GMT -5
Again, I dont see why you cant be skeptical based alone on the fact that said team, filled with many of the same players and coached by the same guy, underachieved last year. Seems pretty logical. Maybe it is because I am Mets fans and saw my team underachieve for two collapses in a row....Obviously, we all want to move on from last year, but all I am saying is that I am skeptical for that reason. Because thats acting as if the collapse was caused simply because Greg Monroe, Chris Wright, Austin Freeman, Jason Clark, Julian Vaugh, and Henry Sims played on a JTIII coached team. It maybe be a natural reaction, but its just not logical. That is acting as if the poor rebounding and shooting had nothing to do with it. Or the fact that there may not have been the best team chemistry. Or the fact that Austin may have been 10 pounds too heavy. Or that maybe their heads got a little too big. Or that maybe the defense wasn't good enough and we weren't experienced enough. That possibly some players were more interested in scoring than doing the little things to help the team win. There is a lot of reasons to be skepticle of this team, but I don't think the fact that they have the same name on the back of their jersey is a very good one. Individually they aren't the same players as last year and collectively they aren't as well. That doesn't mean they are going to do any better, but this group will fail for different reasons than last years group did if they fail at all. |
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Dec 30, 2009 22:20:49 GMT -5
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Post by GUJook97 on Dec 30, 2009 22:38:25 GMT -5
Thanks, HSB.
Again, agree to disagree. I dont see how chemistry or big headedness is any different than what I am saying. It could very well be something about these particular human beings that could result in many of the same issues as last year - poor rebounding is one thing, but so is lack of discipline, poor judgment, and other factors that lead to underachieving with the talent you have. Of course, like you said, these problems could be corrected by experience. I certainly hope so.
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Post by sleepy on Dec 30, 2009 22:54:40 GMT -5
Thanks, HSB. Again, agree to disagree. I dont see how chemistry or big headedness is any different than what I am saying. It could very well be something about these particular human beings that could result in many of the same issues as last year - poor rebounding is one thing, but so is lack of discipline, poor judgment, and other factors that lead to underachieving with the talent you have. Of course, like you said, these problems could be corrected by experience. I certainly hope so. Exactly, but the fact is, you have had two months to see these players play. Any skepticism should be based on this years play too. We aren't making pre-season predictions here, its mid-season now. A lot of people seem to be basing things strictly off of last year as if these past ten games haven't mattered at all and we will be a different team come Big East time than we were preseason because thats kind of what happened last year. Thats what I have an issue with, not taking this year into account and then acting as if all of our problems last year suddenly appeared in January, when I think really it was a build up of issues over time. |
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Post by Johnny Jungle on Dec 31, 2009 2:17:29 GMT -5
Fired up?!?!!!
Can't wait. Georgetown has been more impressive than I would have thought this year. Sorry I don't think too highly of the hoyas. I certainly respect you guys but I just don't see them as a top 25 team. It will be interesting to see the tempo early on in this game and who sets it early.
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Post by krukster201 on Dec 31, 2009 10:48:59 GMT -5
No one see's us as a top 25 team .... that's a great thing and we're use to it. It's called denial  FEAR the HOYAS .. paranoia is back! |
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Post by tashoya on Dec 31, 2009 12:25:50 GMT -5
We're top 25 all right. Johnny Jungle is about 9 hours from understanding that.
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Post by kchoya on Dec 31, 2009 15:31:12 GMT -5
Fired up?!?!!! Can't wait. Georgetown has been more impressive than I would have thought this year. Sorry I don't think too highly of the hoyas. I certainly respect you guys but I just don't see them as a top 25 team. It will be interesting to see the tempo early on in this game and who sets it early. Every time I hear that, I wonder, where are the 25 teams that are better? How many teams can say they've done the equivalent of beating UW, Butler and Temple (only one at home)? I can't imagine there are 10 teams that can. |
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Post by idhoya on Dec 31, 2009 16:07:27 GMT -5
By next week, GU should be 3-0 in the BE. Should be.
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Post by Boz on Dec 31, 2009 16:32:26 GMT -5
By next week, GU should be 3-0 in the BE. Should be. I'll settle for being 1-0 by the time 2010 starts. |
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Post by MassHoya on Dec 31, 2009 16:50:12 GMT -5
OK, this is what we have been waiting for - the start of the BE season. LET"S GO HOYAS!!!
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Post by sleepy on Dec 31, 2009 18:59:52 GMT -5
By next week, GU should be 3-0 in the BE. Should be. Jinx of the decade? |
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Post by tashoya on Dec 31, 2009 20:04:09 GMT -5
I'm pumped! GIT ER DONE!
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