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Post by EasyEd on Dec 3, 2009 13:54:17 GMT -5
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Post by guru on Dec 3, 2009 13:56:50 GMT -5
agree - what a stupid, misguided column. Scary thing (at least for Wilbon's wife) is that the guy runs in the same crowd as Tiger - with MJ and Barkley as his buddies. I can't see how frequenting Vegas with those types of characters, as Tiger did, is good for anybody's marriage.
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Post by Filo on Dec 3, 2009 14:13:18 GMT -5
Obviously, this clown's take on marital fidelity is completely out-to-lunch. But in addition to that, what really bugs me is the sympathy for the loss of privacy. Poor Tiger should be able to deal with this in private? Nope. Sorry bud, you lost that privilege when you decided to use you name, likeness and image to make about a billion dollars for yourself. There was an easy way to stay out of the tabloids -- trying living up to the vows you made to your wife.
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Post by Cambridge on Dec 3, 2009 14:20:06 GMT -5
Obviously, this clown's take on marital fidelity is completely out-to-lunch. But in addition to that, what really bugs me is the sympathy for the loss of privacy. Poor Tiger should be able to deal with this in private? Nope. Sorry bud, you lost that privilege when you decided to use you name, likeness and image to make about a billion dollars for yourself. There was an easy way to stay out of the tabloids -- trying living up to the vows you made to your wife. I couldn't agree more.
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Post by Cambridge on Dec 3, 2009 14:22:01 GMT -5
There's no way Tiger and Elin have a prenup worth 300 million. No way! Tiger moved out of the California to make sure his prenup was rock solid. If he has a prenup worth 300 million, then his lawyers should be fired. Either that or Elin had a fair amount of leverage going into negotiations. That leverage certainly wasn't financial, but it could have been information that would have an impact on Tiger's finances. Basically, my feeling is that Elin must have known something and used that information and the threat of disclosing it publicly to leverage quite a favorable prenup.
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Post by hifigator on Dec 3, 2009 14:29:43 GMT -5
I agree with the point that cheating on your wife is a "no go." What I don't understand is the special attention that Tiger is getting because he did so. Similarly, I don't give a rat's a$$ what celebs political views are. The fact that an Alec Baldwin or a Chalton Heston is a great actor, doesn't make his political opinion any more valid than Floyd the barber or Goober the mechanic. So I'm am admittedly out of the loop on this obsession with the private lives of celebs. That being said, I do agree that the celeb in question can't gripe about the additional attention that he receives, for the very reason that Filo points out. You MUST take the good with the bad. In that regard, I think Michael Jordan did a great job. Even though he clearly resented his lack of privacy at times, I think he did an excellent job of temporing that with the understanding that he was undeniably a public figure and therefore, had to abide by different rules.
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Post by Cambridge on Dec 3, 2009 18:36:35 GMT -5
I think Iverson's press conference provides the perfect foil for Tiger's behavior. Unlike Tiger, Iverson has never relied on handlers or brand marketers to determine who he is, he has never listened to anyone as to how he should act. For this he has been rightly ridiculed, reviled, revered, dismissed, criticized, idolized, emulated, disrespected and respected...you name it, but you can never say he hasn't always been honest. This press conference reminds me of the interview he gave to JT a while back. For all his failings, Iverson has always possessed a raw honesty. It's somewhat ironic that it's one lesson that Tiger could learn from Bubbachuck. Not that it would make him any money, but it would make him human.
EDIT - In fact, the more that I watch the press conference, the more I realize the bizarre, almost Shakespearean contrast at play. We have Tiger who created an image of bland, sublime virtue falling victim to his own fallible mortality and we have Iverson who crafted an image of the lone, irreverant, rebellious ne'er do well in his youth who has found himself struggling to unsuccessfully rehabilitate his image for much of his adult life. Each created an almost unassailable image, one that took on more life than reality. Both have fallen victim to it and had to face the unfairness of perception. For Tiger it's the brutal, instinctual collective reaction to his failure to meet the ridiculously high expectations he established for himself. For Iverson it's the damning inertia of a irreparably damaged reputation.
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Post by hoyarooter on Dec 3, 2009 20:25:27 GMT -5
There's no way Tiger and Elin have a prenup worth 300 million. No way! Tiger moved out of the California to make sure his prenup was rock solid. If he has a prenup worth 300 million, then his lawyers should be fired. Either that or Elin had a fair amount of leverage going into negotiations. That leverage certainly wasn't financial, but it could have been information that would have an impact on Tiger's finances. Basically, my feeling is that Elin must have known something and used that information and the threat of disclosing it publicly to leverage quite a favorable prenup. That's called extortion. ;D A couple things - I'm in agreement with the view that Tiger's behavior is reprehensible. Not unusual, but reprehensible nonetheless. And Cambridge, I think your last post is right on the money, except for one point - I wouldn't say that Tiger has "fallen victim" to his image, since he has spent the last dozen years or so cultivating it. All it really shows is that he has feet of clay, like so many other athletes who attempt to pass themselves off as something they're not (I'm looking at you, Kobe). To AI's credit, he never did that. But I think AI's problems now aren't related to his renegade image, but to the fact that he has been totally unable to adjust to or accept a lesser role on his teams as his skills have diminished. Sadly, he just may not have it in him.
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Post by Cambridge on Dec 4, 2009 14:54:20 GMT -5
Either that or Elin had a fair amount of leverage going into negotiations. That leverage certainly wasn't financial, but it could have been information that would have an impact on Tiger's finances. Basically, my feeling is that Elin must have known something and used that information and the threat of disclosing it publicly to leverage quite a favorable prenup. That's called extortion. ;D A couple things - I'm in agreement with the view that Tiger's behavior is reprehensible. Not unusual, but reprehensible nonetheless. And Cambridge, I think your last post is right on the money, except for one point - I wouldn't say that Tiger has "fallen victim" to his image, since he has spent the last dozen years or so cultivating it. All it really shows is that he has feet of clay, like so many other athletes who attempt to pass themselves off as something they're not (I'm looking at you, Kobe). To AI's credit, he never did that. But I think AI's problems now aren't related to his renegade image, but to the fact that he has been totally unable to adjust to or accept a lesser role on his teams as his skills have diminished. Sadly, he just may not have it in him. As a point of argument, why would he accept a lesser role on a team as pathetic as Memphis? what guards were better than him? Would any other future hall of famer have acted any differently? Would any NBA team have treated any other future hall of famer as poorly?
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Post by Elvado on Dec 4, 2009 19:30:59 GMT -5
That's called extortion. ;D A couple things - I'm in agreement with the view that Tiger's behavior is reprehensible. Not unusual, but reprehensible nonetheless. And Cambridge, I think your last post is right on the money, except for one point - I wouldn't say that Tiger has "fallen victim" to his image, since he has spent the last dozen years or so cultivating it. All it really shows is that he has feet of clay, like so many other athletes who attempt to pass themselves off as something they're not (I'm looking at you, Kobe). To AI's credit, he never did that. But I think AI's problems now aren't related to his renegade image, but to the fact that he has been totally unable to adjust to or accept a lesser role on his teams as his skills have diminished. Sadly, he just may not have it in him. As a point of argument, why would he accept a lesser role on a team as pathetic as Memphis? what guards were better than him? Would any other future hall of famer have acted any differently? Would any NBA team have treated any other future hall of famer as poorly? It was a damn shame how AI was kidnapped into indentured servitude in Memphis. He went there because no one, repeat no one, else wanted his tired act. The Knicks passed on him for God's sake. Then, in a shocking development, he was not content.
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Post by hoyarooter on Dec 4, 2009 21:40:26 GMT -5
While it's true that Memphis stinks, AI had the same reaction to coming off the bench in Detroit.
And of course, now he's on another crummy team. It would have been interesting to see AI sign with a true contender and see if he would have been willing to come off the bench and/or subjugate his game for the good of the team, but the problem was that none of the contenders wanted him.
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Post by Elvado on Dec 5, 2009 12:23:02 GMT -5
While it's true that Memphis stinks, AI had the same reaction to coming off the bench in Detroit. And of course, now he's on another crummy team. It would have been interesting to see AI sign with a true contender and see if he would have been willing to come off the bench and/or subjugate his game for the good of the team, but the problem was that none of the contenders wanted him. When the hell did he ever subjugate his own anything for the good of anyone but his massive ego. Let's not forget he also missed the two biggest shots he ever took as a Hoya. Don Reid laid one of them in. Jerome Williams didn't.
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Dec 6, 2009 14:11:40 GMT -5
The British tabloids are now getting in the mix, appropriately. I guess what does not make sense to me is, assuming these mistress reports are all true, how could word not leak out earlier or how could there not be some rumors? Maybe it is an after-the-fact leak from someone in a bar or a rumor started by someone seeing him pass through a hotel lobby. I mean, you hear about the Tyson entourage or various sordid things about sports celebrities, but Tiger seems to have fooled everyone worldwide.
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Post by DanMcQ on Dec 6, 2009 18:06:47 GMT -5
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Post by kchoya on Dec 6, 2009 23:54:21 GMT -5
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Post by kchoya on Dec 7, 2009 17:25:45 GMT -5
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Post by PhillyHoya on Dec 7, 2009 19:57:53 GMT -5
But even he knows Perkins is far superior (and that is the nicest Perkins I've ever seen). As for this mistress though, not so much. The count is supposedly at 10 now.
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Post by hoyainspirit on Dec 8, 2009 7:57:16 GMT -5
He's a ho. He's a ho. How do I know? Cause he told me so!
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Post by hoyatables on Dec 8, 2009 9:30:25 GMT -5
I love how, amid all of these porn stars, models, and Vegas promoters, there are the random Orlando breakfast waitresses. I'd say odds are 50/50 that Woods has a sex addiction problem, but just as likely that the breakfast waitresses are looking for a quick buck. The ABC recap I just read featured way too many -- and too explicit -- details from one of the waitresses for it to be credible.
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Post by Boz on Dec 8, 2009 9:58:49 GMT -5
There must be a higher quality of breakfast waitress in Orlando than, say, at Bob & Edith's or the Arlington IHOP.
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