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Post by TC on Jan 18, 2010 16:09:20 GMT -5
Missing out on the morning session of a local calling center is a little silly when you put it into context - OFA made 160,000 calls yesterday.
A lot of people stayed home from work this morning because they had to shovel, but by noon everything was clear. It may rain and there may be a little bit of ice tomorrow but I doubt that stops anyone from doing anything. I don't think the weather is going to affect the race one way or another unless Scott Brown is struck by lightning.
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Post by strummer8526 on Jan 18, 2010 16:11:39 GMT -5
There's a difference between free speech and exercising your free speech in such a way as to disrupt the speech of others. That person can go hold his "Jesus loves all babies" sign—which, talk about horse manure—anywhere he wants, as long as it doesn't excessively burden the far more valuable speech of others. (And yes, the speech of a political candidate of ANY party is "more valuable" than some Edited bag with a nonsense sign.) So you think he needed to be cuffed... Possibly. If he did not comply with the first "Please step outside, sir," then yes, cuff him.
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Post by Elvado on Jan 18, 2010 16:18:04 GMT -5
So you think he needed to be cuffed... Possibly. If he did not comply with the first "Please step outside, sir," then yes, cuff him. Fair enough.
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Post by Boz on Jan 18, 2010 16:19:56 GMT -5
Boz's rule of protesters applies here.
Kind of surprised it threw Obama off so much though.
As for weather, you're on the ground, TC, not me, so I'll take your word for it. I was just thinking of the weather in a cumulative sense. Everything in the last week seems to have favored Brown, whether by his actions, just coincidental or the result of his opponent being a Grade A moron. It still doesn't mean he'll win, I was just noting that luck, along with whatever other factors, seems to be on his side.
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Post by kchoya on Jan 18, 2010 18:44:23 GMT -5
At this point, it's like mad libs for the democrats' attacks on Scott Brown. Scott Brown ___ ___ tea party ___ ___ ___ George Bush ___ ___ swift boat ___ ___ ___ tea bagger. Sorry, here's the John Kerry version: Scott Brown ___ ___ tea party ___ ___ ___ George Bush Sarah Palin ___ ___ swift boat ___ ___ ___ tea bagger. [/quote]
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Post by DanMcQ on Jan 19, 2010 13:47:46 GMT -5
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Jan 19, 2010 16:47:47 GMT -5
There is a contrarian point of view, perhaps erroneous, that the MA polls have the same caveats that the NH Dem primary polls should have had in Obama/Clinton. Who knows if this is right, but there is at least some sliver of discussion that could be priceless tomorrow if Coakley wins.
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Post by Boz on Jan 19, 2010 16:54:41 GMT -5
There is a contrarian point of view, perhaps erroneous, that the MA polls have the same caveats that the NH Dem primary polls should have had in Obama/Clinton. Who knows if this is right, but there is at least some sliver of discussion that could be priceless tomorrow if Coakley wins. I am happy there are no exit polls today. I wish we never had them for anything. They are highly prejudicial, IMO. I am anxious as anyone to start seeing indicators of who will win, but I think we can all just wait until 8 p.m. for that. If Coakley wins, I think it's going to have to be because of high turnout in the cities. I could be wrong, but I think that's her best, maybe only, path to the seat.
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Post by DanMcQ on Jan 19, 2010 17:03:03 GMT -5
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Post by TC on Jan 19, 2010 17:16:04 GMT -5
Just from what I've seen and heard, I don't think it looks very good for Coakley. Turnout in the suburbs around Boston which are more Republican has been nutty - I read Dover was at 75%. It's also not a very good sign when "Senior Party Officials" knife the campaign (which has been downright awful) while the polls are open : politics.theatlantic.com/2010/01/democratic_officials_respond_to_finger_pointing.phpAs much as the argument for why she lost is going to be Obama and HCR, the only reason anyone showed up for her was Obama and HCR.
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Post by hoyawatcher on Jan 19, 2010 17:55:35 GMT -5
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Post by TC on Jan 19, 2010 18:00:09 GMT -5
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Post by theexorcist on Jan 19, 2010 18:41:02 GMT -5
Though remember that this is Obama's America, so a high percentage of those people are likely unemployed.
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Post by Boz on Jan 19, 2010 18:49:22 GMT -5
A couple of points: 1. This election is not over. What in God's name are the Democrats and Coakley campaign thinking? Really? You can't keep a lid on your big yappers until 8 p.m.? You could still very well win this thing you know, and I almost feel bad for Coakley if she does. Yes, she'll be the key HCR vote, but she is going to be practically a pariah among her colleagues. And if she doesn't win, there's plenty of time for recrimination, which leads me to...... 2. Hey, in-fighting and sniping happens. It just does. Hell, the Republicans are on the verge on an upset here and THEY'RE doing it, on many levels. You've got a fight now between the conservative grassroots and the NRSC about who is responsible for Brown being in such good contention (pssst - hey, how 'bout some love for the, you know, actual candidate?); and you've got Eric Cantor just ITCHING to bust all over Michael Steele, depending on how this turns out. The media makes such a big deal of this all the time, but it's going to happen in every election. In fact, I seem to recall a pretty damn bloody primary not too long ago, a primary that some people said was really hurting the political party that was having it. I can't remember how that election turned out, but but I think the party survived it (they just can't seem to survive their own policies ).
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Jan 19, 2010 18:50:37 GMT -5
In Reagan's America, unemployment hit 10.8% in 1982 (more than 1 year after inauguration). I'm sure all of it was his fault, and Republican nihilists chomped at the bit to halt any and all progress possible in Washington. Telling that some have to characterize the current predicament as something other than America or that responsibility for fixing problems is not shared, as in characterizations made on this site of "Obama's War."
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Post by Boz on Jan 19, 2010 19:05:37 GMT -5
Well, you all enjoy watching the nattering nabobs on cable news tonight and all of their drooling pablum.
Me? I'm going to see The Cribs with JOHNNY F***ING MARR!!! tonight!!
I'll see who won (maybe) when I get home.
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Post by Elvado on Jan 19, 2010 19:34:12 GMT -5
if the current trending and polling holds, can the President be referred to as Barack O (for three in bellweather races) bama?
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Post by kchoya on Jan 19, 2010 19:51:41 GMT -5
In Reagan's America, unemployment hit 10.8% in 1982 (more than 1 year after inauguration). I'm sure all of it was his fault, and Republican nihilists chomped at the bit to halt any and all progress possible in Washington. Telling that some have to characterize the current predicament as something other than America or that responsibility for fixing problems is not shared, as in characterizations made on this site of "Obama's War." I know I was young, but I don't remember Reagan blaming every single problem on Jimmy Carter.
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Jan 19, 2010 19:54:09 GMT -5
There you go again. I don't remember Obama doing so either. Lack of passage of the HCR bill is a perfect example. I have searched but cannot find a link to substantiate the claim. Of course, the argument does not address the issue of blaming Obama forward for things like the War in Afghanistan and unemployment when some responsibility (at least) needs to be shared for the problems if only in history.
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Post by Elvado on Jan 19, 2010 19:58:34 GMT -5
Dems know Mass is lost. Barney Frank and Fat Ed Rendell made the rounds today decrying the 60 vote rule. They seemed to love that rule a while back.
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