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Post by H2Oya 05 on Jan 15, 2010 13:50:54 GMT -5
And the tone deaf tour continues...
From Politico: Obama to campaign for Coakley
BOSTON -- President Obama will campaign for Massachusetts Senate candidate Martha Coakley on Sunday, POLITICO has learned, a sign that Democrats are deeply worried about her prospects and the party’s 60-seat majority.
Posted by Jonathan Martin 01:40 PM
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Post by Filo on Jan 15, 2010 14:04:10 GMT -5
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Post by TC on Jan 15, 2010 14:05:28 GMT -5
Suffolk had him last night at 55 favorable / 35 unfavorable.
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Post by Boz on Jan 15, 2010 14:37:51 GMT -5
Hmm, fair enough, TC.
Still, like you, I think it is a mistake for him to go there this Sunday, if that is indeed going to happen as reported. I guess we'll see.
Post of the day I saw this morning over at washingtonpost.com, re: Coakley.....
"I've known candidates to shoot themselves in the foot. I've just never known one to reload so quickly."
I know this is a phrase I've heard before. I tried looking it up, but couldn't find a source. Anyone know who originally came up with that?
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Jan 15, 2010 14:51:54 GMT -5
Did anyone notice Scott Brown with the "Barack Obama needs to stay out of Massachusetts and leave the issues to Martha and I"? Obama is still wildly popular here, Martha Coakley is not. I don't think Brown has to worry much about that though - it would be wildly tone deaf if Obama spent the weekend and Monday here campaigning while the Haiti thing is going on. I noticed this too. It is pragmatic more than anything. Brown cannot bring 99% of Republican surrogates into MA without just getting killed for it. Giuliani may be the most popular option, but, remember, he even pulled out of NH in the 2008 primaries (only to scramble back when FL took a turn for the worst). Brown is not itching to bring in the Sarah Palins of the Republican Party and for good reason. The Obama trip will likely dominate the local political news through the weekend, for better or for worse. I have to hand it to Brown for making this a race (let alone being in a position to have a chance to win).
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Post by theexorcist on Jan 15, 2010 14:56:27 GMT -5
Did anyone notice Scott Brown with the "Barack Obama needs to stay out of Massachusetts and leave the issues to Martha and I"? Obama is still wildly popular here, Martha Coakley is not. I don't think Brown has to worry much about that though - it would be wildly tone deaf if Obama spent the weekend and Monday here campaigning while the Haiti thing is going on. I noticed this too. It is pragmatic more than anything. Brown cannot bring 99% of Republican surrogates into MA without just getting killed for it. Giuliani may be the most popular option, but, remember, he even pulled out of NH in the 2008 primaries (only to scramble back when FL took a turn for the worst). Brown is not itching to bring in the Sarah Palins of the Republican Party and for good reason. The Obama trip will likely dominate the local political news through the weekend, for better or for worse. I have to hand it to Brown for making this a race (let alone being in a position to have a chance to win). I assume that Brown is also trying to remind people that they're not voting for Obama, they're voting for Coakley. And I have to hand it to her for making this race competitive (let alone being in a position to have a chance to lose).
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Post by kchoya on Jan 15, 2010 19:37:55 GMT -5
At this point, it's like mad libs for the democrats' attacks on Scott Brown.
Scott Brown ___ ___ tea party ___ ___ ___ George Bush ___ ___ swift boat ___ ___ ___ tea bagger.
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Post by Bando on Jan 15, 2010 20:02:57 GMT -5
At this point, it's like mad libs for the democrats' attacks on Scott Brown. Scott Brown ___ ___ tea party ___ ___ ___ George Bush ___ ___ swift boat ___ ___ ___ tea bagger. How dare the Democrats try to tie Scott Brown to a party of which he is a member!
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Post by kchoya on Jan 15, 2010 21:40:42 GMT -5
At this point, it's like mad libs for the democrats' attacks on Scott Brown. Scott Brown ___ ___ tea party ___ ___ ___ George Bush ___ ___ swift boat ___ ___ ___ tea bagger. How dare the Democrats try to tie Scott Brown to a party of which he is a member! So does the ballot say: Martha Coakley - Democrat Scott Brown - Tea Bagger Party?
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Post by kchoya on Jan 16, 2010 21:28:11 GMT -5
More of an impact: Obama or "Yankee fan" Schilling?
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Post by TC on Jan 16, 2010 22:04:01 GMT -5
More of an impact: Obama or "Yankee fan" Schilling? John Kerry still won MA after thinking that "Manny Ortiz" was a great player. It was earthshatteringly stupid, but I'm not sure it's any different than any of her other gaffes. This thing will be close - it does not feel like a special election. Went out today to the mall and drove through the center of town. People waiving campaign posters all over the place. In the morning it was split 50/50 Coakley/Brown, in the afternoon it looked like all Scott Brown. My town isn't overwhelmingly D though. Finally saw my first Martha Coakley lawn sign - Sherborn,MA is probably 60/40 Coakley / Brown signs. Norfolk and Medfield are like 90/10 Brown/Coakley, although Norfolk is Editeded that Scott Brown didn't show up to their town meeting and they lost their prison mitigation money.
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Post by Elvado on Jan 18, 2010 10:33:00 GMT -5
It was very nice to see the man with the "Jesus Loves All Babies" sign taken out of the Coakley/Obama campaign event in handcuffs. He looked particularly dangerous and it's a good thing he got out of there.
In a related development, Patrick Kennedy announced "that nut had no right to interrupt Marcia's rally."
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Post by TC on Jan 18, 2010 10:57:14 GMT -5
You're ridiculous even for your usual self. Middle aged Code Pink ladies aren't dangerous, but they deserve to be kicked out when they interrupt speeches.
The weirdest conservative meme I've seen so far in this whole thing, after waiting 3 hours to try to get into the Obama rally at Northeastern was that "Obama couldn't fill up the gym". The line was at least 5 city blocks long, and I was still at least 2 or 3 blocks away when police told everyone that they weren't letting anyone else in.
Other than Coakley winning by 8+ - I don't think I'd be really surprised at this point by any result to this race.
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Post by Elvado on Jan 18, 2010 11:19:02 GMT -5
You're ridiculous even for your usual self. Middle aged Code Pink ladies aren't dangerous, but they deserve to be kicked out when they interrupt speeches. Sorry. I just didn't see the need to cuff one guy with a sign that says Jesus loves all babies. If this were a bunch of retrograde Republicans I'd get it, but this is the free speech loving Democrat crowd. Remember civil liberties and all that happy horse manure you guys love so much?
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Post by strummer8526 on Jan 18, 2010 12:00:32 GMT -5
You're ridiculous even for your usual self. Middle aged Code Pink ladies aren't dangerous, but they deserve to be kicked out when they interrupt speeches. Sorry. I just didn't see the need to cuff one guy with a sign that says Jesus loves all babies. If this were a bunch of retrograde Republicans I'd get it, but this is the free speech loving Democrat crowd. Remember civil liberties and all that happy horse manure you guys love so much? There's a difference between free speech and exercising your free speech in such a way as to disrupt the speech of others. That person can go hold his "Jesus loves all babies" sign—which, talk about horse manure—anywhere he wants, as long as it doesn't excessively burden the far more valuable speech of others. (And yes, the speech of a political candidate of ANY party is "more valuable" than some Edited bag with a nonsense sign.)
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Post by TC on Jan 18, 2010 12:02:35 GMT -5
If this were a bunch of retrograde Republicans I'd get it, but this is the free speech loving Democrat crowd. Remember civil liberties and all that happy horse manure you guys love so much? What was your reaction to the Gates thing again? Someone dig it up.
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Post by Elvado on Jan 18, 2010 12:03:59 GMT -5
Sorry. I just didn't see the need to cuff one guy with a sign that says Jesus loves all babies. If this were a bunch of retrograde Republicans I'd get it, but this is the free speech loving Democrat crowd. Remember civil liberties and all that happy horse manure you guys love so much? There's a difference between free speech and exercising your free speech in such a way as to disrupt the speech of others. That person can go hold his "Jesus loves all babies" sign—which, talk about horse manure—anywhere he wants, as long as it doesn't excessively burden the far more valuable speech of others. (And yes, the speech of a political candidate of ANY party is "more valuable" than some Edited bag with a nonsense sign.) So you think he needed to be cuffed...
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Post by Elvado on Jan 18, 2010 12:24:52 GMT -5
If this were a bunch of retrograde Republicans I'd get it, but this is the free speech loving Democrat crowd. Remember civil liberties and all that happy horse manure you guys love so much? What was your reaction to the Gates thing again? Someone dig it up. Though I will happily stand corrected, I recall only expressing my opinion that President Obama made a fool of himself by declaring the police acted "stupidly" when he admittedly did not know the facts. If I said more, please fill me in.
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Post by Boz on Jan 18, 2010 15:03:33 GMT -5
Snow and ice in Massachusetts....it really is shaping up as the perfect storm for Scott Brown. watchdog.org/2010/01/18/snow-day-in-boston/If he doesn't pull it off, I don't think anyone can argue that the breaks didn't go his way leading up to the election. But everyone should keep an eye out tomorrow and make sure Ed Schultz is nowhere to be found in the Commonwealth.
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Jan 18, 2010 15:59:26 GMT -5
I don't generally buy the enthusiasm/weather argument in state-wide elections (especially in larger states). I am more inclined to believe that it matters more where it rains/ices/snows than anything. If it does not snow in Boston but snows elsewhere, I see that as a Coakley advantage because Brown would be less able to maximize his turnout in favorable areas with high margin of victory. An additional point - inclement weather may hurt Brown more than Coakley if independents (as distinct from tea partiers) are relatively unenthusiastic and simply picking Brown as a lesser of two evils. He needs that constituency because Republicans are few and far between compared to partisan Dems in MA. As to GOTV issues, I guess the point is well taken.
FWIW, Coakley's internals had her down 5 a couple of days ago but have shown her +1 in the last two days of interviewing. The polls generally show that the election will come down to turnout, and the pollsters have little idea as to whether their turnout models are rigorous (even without the weather issues). My unscientific reading is that the election will end up anywhere in the range of +3 to either side.
I do think Brown's had a sluggish couple of days at least in the national media. The curling iron story was not a winner, and the Palin/birtheresque comments were not winners in a MA electorate. Whether the local media covered these, I do not know. He probably would have been better advised to take the high road so Coakley's prodding could come across more as desperate politics than responses/attacks in kind, considering he had a lead. I also thought the Giuliani visit was weak sauce and did not help Brown's purported independent streak.
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