hoya95
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Post by hoya95 on Sept 3, 2009 9:04:54 GMT -5
Maybe thankfully the Kennedys can fade away into the sunset as the morally bankrupt clan that they are. As for their "cursed" history some would say it was simply karma. Congratulations, you've completely crossed the line. Move along, absolutely nothing to see here.... |
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Boz
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Post by Boz on Sept 3, 2009 9:21:01 GMT -5
Lynn Nofziger's opinion on the GSA-owned federal building: I frankly do not think it is a fitting memorial," former Reagan aide Lynn Nofziger says of the Ronald Reagan Building and International Trade Center. "It's big and ostentatious. It, symbolic of big government, and he was opposed to big government." Fiscal watchdogs at Citizens Against Government Waste, an organization founded in the wake of Reagan's cost-cutting Grace Commission, find Reagan's name on the building "ironic," according to spokesman Jim Campi. "It's a clear-cut case of mistaken posterity," he says. I'll look around later when I have more time. I am about 110% positive that I can find quotes from Reagan supporters that are exactly the opposite of this, and highlight the business and trade aspects of the building. Clearly, you and I disagree on this though, so fine. You don't like the Reagan Building? Then here is a pretty damn good -- and appropriate -- memorial to our 40th President. |
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Post by SSHoya on Sept 3, 2009 9:36:44 GMT -5
Boz,
Actually I like the building. My cousin is having his wedding reception there in October. But I also believe that it cost twice what was originally budgeted and that the federal agencies then spent mucho dinero building out the spaces to their specs, including somewhat opulent facilities (I am a 31-year federal employee) and have a visceral reaction to agencies that spend too much taking care of themselves, as opposed to accomplishing their stated missions.
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Post by SSHoya on Sept 3, 2009 9:46:00 GMT -5
P.S. And as a disabled Navy vet, I love the USS Reagan. Appropriate and fitting, since Reagan was taking us to the 600 ship Navy when I was on active duty.
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Boz
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Post by Boz on Sept 3, 2009 10:37:24 GMT -5
OK, you've got me there. I cannot dispute that the Reagan building cost WAY more than was budgeted.
We'll just agree that, ironic or no, it's a beautiful building.....and that the USS Reagan is one kick ass warship.
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Post by DanMcQ on Sept 3, 2009 10:41:08 GMT -5
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Post by kchoya on Sept 3, 2009 10:45:20 GMT -5
I bet the $8 million helped soothe his conscience. It's also nice to know that he was son broken about the young girl's death that he was concerned "the events may have shortened the life of his ailing father, Joseph P. Kennedy." |
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Post by Elvado on Sept 3, 2009 10:55:23 GMT -5
"True Compass"? How about "True Compost"? Do we really have to hear his manure from the grave?
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Post by paranoia2 on Sept 3, 2009 11:28:52 GMT -5
I love celebrating a bunch of skirt chasing dirtbags that used very poor judgement on countless occasions. From Joe supporting appeasement, JFK's relentless womanizing, Bobby's transgressions, Ted (do I even have to go there?) and even JFK Jr.'s deadly hubris. Real men are good husbands and fathers and display class and dignity.
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Sept 3, 2009 11:34:00 GMT -5
What is your position on George W. Bush vis-a-vis his grandfather's position on and economic support for the Third Reich? Throw in the traffic death caused by Laura, etc. I mean, this is really becoming idiotic and fanciful.
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Post by strummer8526 on Sept 3, 2009 11:36:51 GMT -5
Real men are good husbands and fathers and display class and dignity. Yeah! And they get on message boards to throw personal insults and vicious attacks at deceased individuals who they personally know very little about because those people took adverse political positions! You tell 'em! Please, teach us all how to be good men. |
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Post by Elvado on Sept 3, 2009 11:42:53 GMT -5
Real men are good husbands and fathers and display class and dignity. Yeah! And they get on message boards to throw personal insults and vicious attacks at deceased individuals who they personally know very little about because those people took adverse political positions! You tell 'em! Please, teach us all how to be good men. Did Paranoia 2 state anything that wasn't fact? Believe it or not, there are people in this country who are not captured in the thrall of Massachusetts' first family. You may not like these facts to be talked about, but facts they are. |
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Sept 3, 2009 11:46:04 GMT -5
To the extent that paranoia is taken as a real man, there is a factual case to be made that he has not displayed class.
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Elvado
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Post by Elvado on Sept 3, 2009 11:48:23 GMT -5
Then maybe he should run for Drunky's open seat.
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Post by hoya95 on Sept 3, 2009 12:38:42 GMT -5
Yeah! And they get on message boards to throw personal insults and vicious attacks at deceased individuals who they personally know very little about because those people took adverse political positions! You tell 'em! Please, teach us all how to be good men. Did Paranoia 2 state anything that wasn't fact? Believe it or not, there are people in this country who are not captured in the thrall of Massachusetts' first family. You may not like these facts to be talked about, but facts they are. Seriously, what is wrong with you two? Do you actually think it's okay to suggest that the deaths of several people were due to "karma" or because they weren't "real men"?! And no, these are not facts. They are a couple of fools acting like creeps. Mission accomplished there. Move along, please.... |
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Post by Elvado on Sept 3, 2009 12:44:49 GMT -5
Was Old Joe Kennedy an appeaser? Check
Did JFK rampantly cheat on his wife? Check
Was Bobby his bag man and a carpetbagger? Check
Did Ted kill MaryJo Kopechne? Check
I don't remember Paranioa 2 saying the Kennedys died becuase they weren't real men. Rather he said it's ridiculous to lionize them given their behavior.
As for karma, who knows?
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Sept 3, 2009 12:54:49 GMT -5
Were all of them Democrats? Yes.
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Was George W.'s grandfather an appeaser? Check.
Did George H.W. Bush have some problems/gray areas of his own? Check
Are W. and Jeb carpet baggers? Check
Did Laura kill someone? Check
I do not endorse this kind of crude analysis but only offer it as a parallel to suggest once again that your concern here is not with victims but with politics.
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Post by Elvado on Sept 3, 2009 12:58:37 GMT -5
All fair. I won't cry for them either. As an aside, did Laura Bush (then Welch) run from the scene and lawyer up? And was she 17 at the time or a 37 year old Senator? Just asking.
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Sept 3, 2009 13:05:41 GMT -5
All fair. I won't cry for them either. As an aside, did Laura Bush (then Welch) run from the scene and lawyer up? And was she 17 at the time or a 37 year old Senator? Just asking. The question is not whether you "won't cry for them." Your approach to the Kennedys is much more sinister, with "not crying" being the least of the issues. The question is, rather, whether you would sustain a weeks long campaign attacking the family, explaining away tragedies as justified, etc. As to your aside, you try to have it both ways. On the one hand, Ted ran from the scene, but, on the other hand, he did not run fast enough and, thereby, notify the authorities. The former is clearly belied by the facts, which indicate repeated rescue attempts by Ted. As a matter of right, Ted was entitled to legal representation, and the facts again do not support the idea that he lawyered up immediately. |
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Post by Elvado on Sept 3, 2009 13:13:59 GMT -5
If you believe his account. Believe me, my reaction to this disgusting Teddy Kennedy love fest is mostly grounded in my contempt for the American media. He's dead, let's cry, next story. I have never once suggested that any Kennedy tragedy is justified. I simply don't believe in the lionization of these people.
As for not "running fast enough", he swam across a channel, got a lawyer and sobered up before reporting it. Dress it up all you like, he killed her but managed to save his own skin and career.
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