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Post by tpk3 on Jul 15, 2009 12:35:34 GMT -5
Today at 2:20am, graeagle wrote: Even if you or others do not have the inside info that I and other have, are you really that dense not to realize what does not pass the freaking smell test. Some people should try using a little common sense. If they do not have common sense, then try waiting until multiple reports (with quotes) from reputable sources are reporting the same thing. My man, is it that serious?
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Post by tpk3 on Jul 15, 2009 12:35:53 GMT -5
We just need a Malik Story sighting in DC.
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Post by 757hoyafan on Jul 15, 2009 12:41:44 GMT -5
Today at 2:20am, graeagle wrote: Even if you or others do not have the inside info that I and other have, are you really that dense not to realize what does not pass the freaking smell test. Some people should try using a little common sense. If they do not have common sense, then try waiting until multiple reports (with quotes) from reputable sources are reporting the same thing. My man, is it that serious? lol... I can care less about the info you or these other deleted post on the board.
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Post by kghoya on Jul 15, 2009 12:49:28 GMT -5
wow this thread is getting pretty tough
i expect some red admin words finding their way on here pretty soon
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Post by tonydeals on Jul 15, 2009 12:57:20 GMT -5
lol... I can care less about the info you or these other deleted post on the board. deleted
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Post by williambraskyiii on Jul 15, 2009 13:01:02 GMT -5
lol... I can care less about the info you or these other deleted post on the board. HA!
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Post by tashoya on Jul 15, 2009 13:05:16 GMT -5
I don't think we've been the "it" team since the mid '80s. We certainly rose to prominence but not to the level of the top tier basketball schools. I think we didn't help ourselves in that regard last year but I don't think we hurt ourselves that much either. While it's true that the NC in 84 gave us unprecedented stature, we held that to a large degree because of JT's presence not so much our performance. When JT fell off, so did our rep. It always starts with success and we had that. I find it very difficult to believe that we could lose that stature so quickly as I think JT III is the class of the Big East and I think almost everyone knows it. All I'm saying is Georgetown's reputation relies, IMHO, on much more than just success on the court. As such, I am wholly unconcerned about our ability to reign in the right kind of players.
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Post by DanMcQ on Jul 15, 2009 13:08:10 GMT -5
MOD INSTRUCTION: Dial down the poster v. poster rhetoric.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Jul 15, 2009 13:34:33 GMT -5
I find it very difficult to believe that we could lose that stature so quickly as I think JT III is the class of the Big East and I think almost everyone knows it. The younger Thompson is a rising star in the Big East but he's not the star, because he's among some very visible company: two Hall of Famers (Boeheim, Calhoun), one on the way to the HOF (Pitino), and one on the fringe (Huggins). He's among four coaches in their 40's with a lot of positive buzz (JTIII, Wright, Dixon, Brey), plus four up and comers (Cronin, Davis, Williams, Gonzalez) and four others that have not distinguished themselves nationally (Hill, Roberts, Heath, Wainwright). A Villanova or Pitt fan could make many of the same arguments for their coach that Georgetown fans do for theirs. Contrast that with the mid-80's, where the elder Thompson was clearly at the top of a first tier which included Boeheim, Carnesecca and Massimino, with a strong second tier of Gary Williams/Jim O'Brien, P.J. Carlesimo, Jim Calhoun, Paul Evans, and Rick Pitino/Rick Barnes.
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Jul 15, 2009 14:05:27 GMT -5
I would place JT3 at the top of that second tier in terms of results right now. Dixon has his BET's, but he has not coached a Final Four game. Wright gives you the Final Four but not the strong record in the BET.
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Post by hoyaboya on Jul 15, 2009 14:38:30 GMT -5
SF, God Bless Ya, you've just admitted to at a minimum 2, and more likely 3, McD's AA disappointments within the past 4 years. That's not a good track record right now for recruits to see in a very short period of time.
We have 2 guys in JT III's tenure who stepped up their games and became first rounders: Jeff Green and Roy Hibbert. 2 big-time feathers in the cap.
We have 1 high profile guy that failed miserably at Georgetown in Macklin, and 2 that appear to be on the same route in Freeman and Wright. Now I'd love to see those 2 step it up these next two seasons, but based on what I've seen to date, I'm not counting on it.
Monroe will be a lottery pick next year, unless something crazy happens.
So JT III will be able to say 3 first rounders, 1 second rounder and 3 McD's AAs that weren't first rounders. It's a solid, but not spectacular, resume for recruits to see. I'd think other coaches have more recent NBA success to show their players than III, and that might be why he's having issues sealing the deal with top talent. Now, let's hope I'm wrong and some combination of Smith, Kendrick and Jones come walking through that McDonough door.
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Post by alleninxis on Jul 15, 2009 14:40:18 GMT -5
Wright and Freeman on their way to failing miserably?
Yeah, ok...
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Post by hoyaboya on Jul 15, 2009 14:43:30 GMT -5
Failed miserably may be too strong, but I'd say they've underachieved 2 years into their careers and do not appear to be NBA prospects. McD's AAs should be NBA prospects more often than not.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Jul 15, 2009 14:45:34 GMT -5
first of all it'll be 3 first rounders and 2 second rounders don't forget pat got drafted.
second of all Chris and Austin will get drafted. Austin will probably be a second round pick but he'll get drafted if he stays in shape could be a first rounder. Chris too.
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Post by kghoya on Jul 15, 2009 14:50:51 GMT -5
so we are putting wright and freeman in the same category as macklin?
interesting
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Post by hoyaboya on Jul 15, 2009 14:52:11 GMT -5
I'll take the under if the over/under on Wright/Freeman being drafted is 2. I doubt either gets drafted. 6'3" overweight shooting guard who isn't a good shooter and can't defend, and 5'10" shooting guard in a point guard's body. I'd be very surprised if either of those guys is a top 60 prospect in the next 2 years.
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Post by daytonahoya31 on Jul 15, 2009 14:56:53 GMT -5
Hoyaboya, you're the funniest poster on this board.
Failing miserably? Underachieving? LMAO
PM me....I'll make you a bet right this second that Chris gets drafted in the first round if he stays four years. He's the best returning guard in the conference, and will be a first teamer this year.....
And I'm almost as confident that Austin makes the proper adjustments and does his thing this year, too. He was just playing out of position way too much last season.
Failing miserably? lolololololol
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jul 15, 2009 16:04:57 GMT -5
How did I admit to three? I'd say we have three to par, one underacheiver and maybe one slight, who is a soph.
Very few McDs can overacheive.
Now add in Roya and Jeff, who weren't even consensus Top 100, Patrick who was #100, and Wallace, who wasn't even a scholarship player, and what's your point?
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Post by Dhall on Jul 15, 2009 16:21:21 GMT -5
I don't think anyone other than his high school coaches and Billy Donovan even know who Vernon Macklin is at this point. No way his situation hurts us in recruiting - he failed to perform when he arrived and even high school kids will see that and think it's not applicable to them. Plenty of top-20 rated kids flame out and their colleges don't suffer in recruiting as a result.
Wright and Freeman can be very successful and first team Big East players without getting drafted very easily given their physical attributes. Happens every year.
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Post by tpk3 on Jul 15, 2009 16:49:24 GMT -5
Obviously some people have not recovered from the shock of Summers not being a lotto pick The only question remaining is can Javon McCrea surpass Latavius Williams for largest most worthless thread.
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