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Post by HoyasAreHungry on Jul 14, 2009 21:45:00 GMT -5
agreed
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Post by FLHoya on Jul 14, 2009 22:20:27 GMT -5
we have to sit back and see what actually happens Yeeeeeeahhhhhhh Hoyatalk's kinda collectively struggling with this one lately. ;D
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Post by tpk3 on Jul 14, 2009 23:46:54 GMT -5
LOL. Can we get any more female dogs to post in this thread. It is still amusing when the usual suspects that have repeatedly shown they have no clue about what is going on with GU recruiting, like to offer us their insight. This is another NON story. Move on folks. This no different than Roscoe telling the Kentucky reporter that he had a unc offer. Or the national enquire guys on that other site saying Vinson/Spurlock have offers and they are going to commit. This garbage happens all the time.
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Post by chep3 on Jul 15, 2009 1:23:46 GMT -5
Graeagle, first off I do want to say thanks for the recruiting updates because you definitely keep this board plugged in about not only who we are recruiting but what kind of players those kids are. But honestly, what's the deal with all the hostility? It seems like every time someone posts something you don't agree with there's some sort of angry/derisive post in response. I'm not going to speak for richfame, but I'll speak for myself: you're right, I haven't the slightest clue in the grand scheme of things how recruiting works and I wouldn't deign to posit that my knowledge of the recruiting process is anywhere close to yours. And sure this board far too frequently jumps to conclusions and hyperbole and chicken little scenarios. But, this board is made for all of us, those like you who know a lot about how this process works and those like me who don't, and people are permitted to disagree with you. I don't see how either rich's comment, which I disagreed with but didn't think came close to a fatalistic "the hoya basketball world is coming to an end" viewpoint, or mine could possibly lead you to calling someone a bitch. Frankly, you've got to chill out about other people's views as much as you want people to chill out up about the bs that happens during recruiting. Trust me, it's as annoying for some of us to constantly read posts excoriating someone for disagreeing with you as it is for you to read a post disagreeing with you.
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Post by tpk3 on Jul 15, 2009 2:20:42 GMT -5
Graeagle, first off I do want to say thanks for the recruiting updates because you definitely keep this board plugged in about not only who we are recruiting but what kind of players those kids are. But honestly, what's the deal with all the hostility? It seems like every time someone posts something you don't agree with there's some sort of angry/derisive post in response. I'm not going to speak for richfame, but I'll speak for myself: you're right, I haven't the slightest clue in the grand scheme of things how recruiting works and I wouldn't deign to posit that my knowledge of the recruiting process is anywhere close to yours. And sure this board far too frequently jumps to conclusions and hyperbole and chicken little scenarios. But, this board is made for all of us, those like you who know a lot about how this process works and those like me who don't, and people are permitted to disagree with you. I don't see how either rich's comment, which I disagreed with but didn't think came close to a fatalistic "the hoya basketball world is coming to an end" viewpoint, or mine could possibly lead you to calling someone a bitch. Frankly, you've got to chill out about other people's views as much as you want people to chill out up about the bs that happens during recruiting. Trust me, it's as annoying for some of us to constantly read posts excoriating someone for disagreeing with you as it is for you to read a post disagreeing with you. Frankly the hostility is directed at a handful of the same posters that know who they are. These same posters that love to run with BS stories and proclaim the sky to be falling on the program, or simply want to start crap. What is even more pathetic is how another same group of posters always are gullible enough to fall for it, and go over board. Even if you or others do not have the inside info that I and other have, are you really that dense not to realize what does not pass the freaking smell test. Some people should try using a little common sense. If they do not have common sense, then try waiting until multiple reports (with quotes) from reputable sources are reporting the same thing.
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Post by richfame on Jul 15, 2009 7:05:48 GMT -5
Chep3 is 100 percent right. I Do not live in the DC area nor do i have any inside information of the GU recruiting process. I dont believe nor disabelieve this is a valid offer, nor am i getting sucked into possible BS recruiting stories. I DO believe that i as a fan inconjunction with what i read on this site and other sites that i dont feel the same confidence I did in the recruiting process as I did 3 years ago thats all i was saying.
Personally i have always relied on guys like GRAEAGLE and am thankful for his insight and knowledge, but as chep3 said I dont need a guy like you refering to me as a bitch. If you bothered to read my post it said it was possible this was the mind set of the recruits and if it is its Un Fair. Sorry you didnt agree with it but you can chill too...
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Post by Buckets on Jul 15, 2009 7:52:17 GMT -5
LOL. Can we get any more female dogs to post in this thread. It is still amusing when the usual suspects that have repeatedly shown they have no clue about what is going on with GU recruiting, like to offer us their insight. This is another NON story. Move on folks. This no different than Roscoe telling the Kentucky reporter that he had a unc offer. Or the national enquire guys on that other site saying Vinson/Spurlock have offers and they are going to commit. This garbage happens all the time. Is this a non-story in the sense that you thought Riley de-committing was a non-story or an actual non-story? I doubt this is true as well, but considering that it's on his AAU team's website - www.upstateelite.com/ - I'm going to continue monitoring it. Does anyone know why he is playing on NE Playaz right now?
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Post by guru on Jul 15, 2009 7:58:49 GMT -5
Does anyone get the feeling this program(UNFAIRLY SO) In terms of recruiting has hit a concrete wall?? I mean we go to the final four and gain so much respect from the recruits and anylasts. We have a hot shot young coach that saved an old proud program and hoya nation is back on the map. We follow this up with a solid season and land the number one recruiting prize in GREG MONROE, and things look great.... Then comes the disaster of all disasters and it seems like we lost so much of the momentium we had in recruiting. It seems like guys like Kendrick and Odom and Smith might have cooled on us as our program has cooled. Everyone on this site was talking about 2010 as the holy grail of recruiting and how teh hoyas were a lock to procure one or two of these guys. Could it be possible that our status of a nation power we breifly held 3 years ago has faided and so our the potential top recruits?? I hope not... Wrong.
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Post by tashoya on Jul 15, 2009 9:46:47 GMT -5
Man some folks are cranky in the offseason. If we've learned anything from this board, isn't it to wait until there are some actual facts? And even then not to get too jazzed over news as these recruiting situations seem to remain fluid long after it seems as though they should. Waiting and seeing, while not as much fun maybe as rampant speculation, seems to be the sane course of action especially if everyone is gonna start taking shots at other people on the board.
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Post by HeartAttackHoya on Jul 15, 2009 10:28:51 GMT -5
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Post by EasyEd on Jul 15, 2009 10:28:56 GMT -5
Man some folks are cranky in the offseason. If we've learned anything from this board, isn't it to wait until there are some actual facts? And even then not to get too jazzed over news as these recruiting situations seem to remain fluid long after it seems as though they should. Waiting and seeing, while not as much fun maybe as rampant speculation, seems to be the sane course of action especially if everyone is gonna start taking shots at other people on the board. But we need a good food fight for a few more days until Kenner starts.
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Post by chep3 on Jul 15, 2009 10:33:35 GMT -5
Wallace said that McCrea, listed at 6-foot-6 inches and 230 pounds after his junior season at Newark last spring, has not told Hoyas coach John Thompson III his intentions yet.
Until this story passes this stage at least, we might have to sit back on it. "Verballing" to third parties, not the coach of the team, seems to be taking the concept of verballing to a whole new level.
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Post by chep3 on Jul 15, 2009 10:56:39 GMT -5
Even if you or others do not have the inside info that I and other have, are you really that dense not to realize what does not pass the freaking smell test. Some people should try using a little common sense. If they do not have common sense, then try waiting until multiple reports (with quotes) from reputable sources are reporting the same thing. Fair enough, but there's a different standard for the smell test. Since you have greater experience and knowledge wrt recruiting, something like rumors about a kid decommitting or someone else claiming they have an offer are par for the course for you, they sound more important/significant to us commoners. I agree with you the Lubick situation was definitely something that wasn't worth running with since it was just some guy's offhand blog. But the McCrea story was reported in a newspaper, albeit a minor one. While I definitely think it's more prudent to wait for something more legit, despite all the heat the mods got for taking that stance earlier this offseason, I don't think it's worth killing someone for thinking that this one might have more legs to it. There are different gradations of the doom and gloom crowd, and while I'm with you on the extreme group, I'm not on the more moderate one.
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Post by hoyaboya on Jul 15, 2009 11:01:36 GMT -5
The timing of all this seems like it may not be coincidental with Lubick's supposed decommitment. Maybe Lubick and McCrea are best buddies and this package deal is the way to ensure Lubick ends up on campus.
Seems odd, though, to take a kid with McCrea's body type when Jones and Smith are still sitting out there.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jul 15, 2009 11:17:11 GMT -5
The most likely situation to me here is miscommunication, probably of level of interest. Most offers out there are conditional in nature -- and sometimes the communication is poor or the kids simply don't realize.
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Post by 757hoyafan on Jul 15, 2009 11:35:08 GMT -5
Today at 2:20am, graeagle wrote: Even if you or others do not have the inside info that I and other have, are you really that dense not to realize what does not pass the freaking smell test. Some people should try using a little common sense. If they do not have common sense, then try waiting until multiple reports (with quotes) from reputable sources are reporting the same thing. My man, is it that serious?
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Post by blueandgray on Jul 15, 2009 11:42:34 GMT -5
entertaining thread considering we are in the july doldrums.
I have absolutely no knowledge on whether this kid will end up at georgetown nor do I purport knowing whether nate is leaning one way or another. I do however believe that we were the "it" team 3 years ago and for a variety of reasons...we have lost the "it" factor for the moment. I think we'd all agree that some high profile transfers, underperforming mcd all-americans (notwithstanding mr monroe), a devastating loss to Davidson, followed by second half collapse of the program in 2009 .... all play a role in contributing to why we haven't been able to land some of the more desirable local and national recruits. perhaps we still land TJ, kendrick or others...and my post is moot... but it may be tougher than some of us think.
this being the case, we are one good year from getting "it" back....and a lot rests on how this year's team comes together and performs. we make the tourney this year and perform to expectation....we will start landing top notch recruits with more frequency.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jul 15, 2009 11:47:14 GMT -5
We may not some of the it factor, but some of you guys aren't helping with the overstatements.
Underperforming McDonald's All-Americans? We've really had one -- Vernon Macklin.
The expectations for McD's AAs are completely out of control.
Summers didn't make the team, but he was right there. People within five spots of him in the RSCI either direction:
Mike Conley, Duke Crews, Paul Harris, Earl Clark, Brian Zoubek, (Summers), Qunicy Pondexter, Jon Scheyer, DJ Augustin, Curtis Kelly, David Lighty. (And Harris was fifth year, so he was actually ranked much higher but the RSCI can punsh a guy)
Summers certainly wasn't the best of that group, but he clearly is in the middle and probably in the Top 5. Did he overacheive? No.
Austin Freeman's:
Donte Greene, Patrick Patterson, JJ Hickson, Nick Calathes, Kosta Koufos, (Freeman), Anthony Randolph, DeAndre Jordan, Blake Griffin, James Harden, Gani Lawal.
Austin's pro prospects were never as good as this group's, mostly because there's a ton of big men there and just two guards. Note that Calathes has ended up in Europe, right?
That said, he's probably been in the bottom half -- but in terms of college effectiveness, he hasn't been worse than Greene or Koufos or Lawal. But I guess he could be considered somewhat of a disappointment versus his ranking through two years.
He had a much better year than people think, though.
Chris Wright's:
E'Twuan Moore, Taylor King, Gary Johnson, Corey Stokes, Solomon Alabi, (Wright), Durrell Summers, Herb Pope, Corey Fisher, Jai Lucas, James Anderson.
Anyone think Wright has been a disappointment versus these guys? Several (3, at least) have already transferred, the Corey's have had their ups and downs.
Greg Monroe's:
Brandon Jennings, Jrue Holiday, Tyreke Evans, Samardo Samuels, Demar Derozan, (Monroe), Al-Farouq Aminu, BJ Mullens, Ed Davis, Delvon Roe, Scotty Hopkins.
No disappointment there to me.
McD's AAs aren't magic. The team was disappointing, but it was extremely young, too.
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Post by richfame on Jul 15, 2009 11:56:40 GMT -5
BLUE AND GRAY- I said the same thing but apparently we are wrong. The good news is time will tell.
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Post by hoyarooter on Jul 15, 2009 12:20:59 GMT -5
Man some folks are cranky in the offseason. If we've learned anything from this board, isn't it to wait until there are some actual facts? And even then not to get too jazzed over news as these recruiting situations seem to remain fluid long after it seems as though they should. Waiting and seeing, while not as much fun maybe as rampant speculation, seems to be the sane course of action especially if everyone is gonna start taking shots at other people on the board. But we need a good food fight for a few more days until Kenner starts. I concur with Ed, and therefore have just filled my mouth with hard boiled eggs, and spewed them all over my computer screen. As for young Mr. McCrea, this seems extremely unlikely at this stage of the process, but we can wait and see.
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