lichoya68
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Post by lichoya68 on Apr 21, 2009 21:59:39 GMT -5
i dont care where hes playing 17 rebbies per game a forty point game and a quadruple double hmm ill take him and HIS GROWTHPLATESMAYSTILLBEOPENPERHAPSWHOKNOWS.. GO HOYAS
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Post by dreamhoya on Apr 21, 2009 22:06:28 GMT -5
once he matures, he'll be a leader. he'll work hard. may not get along with everybody with his cocky-ness. he'll come on like brandon roy. we will love him by the end.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Apr 21, 2009 22:11:20 GMT -5
Fauqiuer News-DemocratHighlights: he was working out fifteen minutes before his press conference. And he played pickup with our team every weekend for the last month.
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Post by dreamhoya on Apr 21, 2009 22:17:05 GMT -5
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Post by chep3 on Apr 21, 2009 22:34:51 GMT -5
For those of you guys who know a lot about recruiting, how pivotal is the pickup game with the team? I like the idea of it, and it seems like a good way of telling a lot about how a player is going to respond to being around players better/more experienced than he is (see Dashonte Riley). How big of a tool is this in evaluating players? And how did Jerrelle do?
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Apr 21, 2009 23:25:23 GMT -5
Wright(sr)/Starks(fr)/Sanford(so) Freeman(sr)/Clark(jr)/Kendrick(fr) Thompson(so)/Mescheriakov(rs jr)/Odom(fr) How do you get everyone minutes there? Between senior Freeman and junior Clark there is MORE than enough talent at the 2 spot. In fact I think by then Clark is going to be commanding 30 minutes per game on his own, so you might see he or Freeman swing to the 3 for 10-20 mpg as a third guard just to get the most talented guys on the floor for the most time. How could you get Kendrick PT in that scenario? You might say swing him over to the 3. But in that case you've got Hollis, Nikita, Austin (playing out of position for maybe 10 mpg) and TWO freshmen trying to split 40 minutes/game at the 3 spot. Somebody is going to get the short end of the stick there and experience + talent probably trumps talent. And if you bring in highly regarded kids and then dont get them minutes, you're asking for more departures. Since none of these guys can move to the 4 spot, I don't really see any way you can slice up the minutes to get 2 2010 wings adequate PT. 1, sure, but I don't think you can really pull it off with 2. I'm having trouble even seeing room for one star wing to squeeze into that rotation. Either the stud wing we get will have to except getting very little minutes most of the year or one of our vetrans will.
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Post by seaweed on Apr 21, 2009 23:30:46 GMT -5
Not sure about this one. Not recruited actively by anyone of note. League he played in is not among the tops. Maybe he was recruited for rebounding only. At any rate, welcome Jerelle. I get the exact opposite rub. I feel like Shmitty, coming out of what, All Saints? Late pick up local stud who has swagger and skills, but not in a wow way. I think I am going to really like this guy. Welcome.
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HoyaFanNY
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Post by HoyaFanNY on Apr 22, 2009 6:30:47 GMT -5
"Benimon said his decision was difficult, especially considering the high level of play at Georgetown, but he has traveled to Georgetown every weekend for the last month to play with the Hoyas and that has eased any anxiety. “At first I was kind of nervous, but I know I can handle my own now,” Benimon said."
the more i read, the more i like this kid.
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Post by PopeJohn2 on Apr 22, 2009 7:00:07 GMT -5
oh jebus
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Post by oldirtyku on Apr 22, 2009 7:03:22 GMT -5
Wright(sr)/Starks(fr)/Sanford(so) Freeman(sr)/Clark(jr)/Kendrick(fr) Thompson(so)/Mescheriakov(rs jr)/Odom(fr) How do you get everyone minutes there? Between senior Freeman and junior Clark there is MORE than enough talent at the 2 spot. In fact I think by then Clark is going to be commanding 30 minutes per game on his own, so you might see he or Freeman swing to the 3 for 10-20 mpg as a third guard just to get the most talented guys on the floor for the most time. How could you get Kendrick PT in that scenario? You might say swing him over to the 3. But in that case you've got Hollis, Nikita, Austin (playing out of position for maybe 10 mpg) and TWO freshmen trying to split 40 minutes/game at the 3 spot. Somebody is going to get the short end of the stick there and experience + talent probably trumps talent. And if you bring in highly regarded kids and then dont get them minutes, you're asking for more departures. Since none of these guys can move to the 4 spot, I don't really see any way you can slice up the minutes to get 2 2010 wings adequate PT. 1, sure, but I don't think you can really pull it off with 2. I'm having trouble even seeing room for one star wing to squeeze into that rotation. Either the stud wing we get will have to except getting very little minutes most of the year or one of our vetrans will. Mescheriakov has shown very little that he can play in the BE. Last year he looked absolutely clueless at time. Compare that to how Summers as a freshman came in an made an instant impact on a team that went to the final 4. Some freshman can come in ready to play from day 1. Unless Mescheriakov drastically improves he would be behind any of the wing they bring in 2010. I mean he has to get a LOT better. One of the stud recruits I think would be an instant impact players(20 min a night behind Thompson) as freshman. The second wing would get less minutes but would get major play as a sophomore once Freeman graduates. Lack of playing time b/c you have to many good players is a good problem. Better then not having enough good players. UNC, Memphis, Kansas etc. whose benches are full of top recruits practicing, learning the system, waiting to get there shot to play. These teams are constantly reloading never rebuilding. Nothing like having a stud freshman push upperclassmen for playing time and make practice more competitive.
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Post by dense on Apr 22, 2009 8:49:08 GMT -5
I like that he has been playing pick-up witht he team and feels he can hold his own.....maybe jt3 is looking at him being a 3/4 type....i really think he wants a team with 4 guys who have great perimeter skills to work around the fulcrum of the center in the princeton...so you can't lay off anyone outside, so a guy who is strong but projects as a wing would be a 4...basically what he wanted out of Summers but never got.
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Post by hoyaboy1 on Apr 22, 2009 8:50:06 GMT -5
For those of you guys who know a lot about recruiting, how pivotal is the pickup game with the team? I like the idea of it, and it seems like a good way of telling a lot about how a player is going to respond to being around players better/more experienced than he is (see Dashonte Riley). How big of a tool is this in evaluating players? And how did Jerrelle do? If I recall correctly, a big reason we took Omar was because he got hot in a pickup game. With regards to Benimon, I'm pretty ambivalent. Yea, he might be a diamond in the rough, but more likely he never sees the court. I agree that we can't have all studs, but apparently even borderline walkons aren't willing to hang around if they aren't playing. If he gets big enough to play PF, I suppose he could help a bit. If he's a 3, I don't really get it.
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Post by williambraskyiii on Apr 22, 2009 9:14:06 GMT -5
For those of you guys who know a lot about recruiting, how pivotal is the pickup game with the team? I like the idea of it, and it seems like a good way of telling a lot about how a player is going to respond to being around players better/more experienced than he is (see Dashonte Riley). How big of a tool is this in evaluating players? And how did Jerrelle do? If I recall correctly, a big reason we took Omar was because he got hot in a pickup game. With regards to Benimon, I'm pretty ambivalent. Yea, he might be a diamond in the rough, but more likely he never sees the court. I agree that we can't have all studs, but apparently even borderline walkons aren't willing to hang around if they aren't playing. If he gets big enough to play PF, I suppose he could help a bit. If he's a 3, I don't really get it. This just seems panic-driven to me. It reminds me of Esh's moves in Spring 2003 to shore up the roster after the rash of transfers (Bethel, etc.). He picked up a little known Montenegrin averaging 14 rebounds per game in high school and Ray Reed. Reed saw minutes on a garbage team and Sead turned out to be a great cheerleader. Maybe the same thing applies here ... at the very least, I don't think anyone can argue that needing to make 2 last-minute spring signings is ideal.
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Post by guru on Apr 22, 2009 9:21:34 GMT -5
at the very least, I don't think anyone can argue that needing to make 2 last-minute spring signings is ideal. this is definitely true. Let's hope this is the last time we're in this position
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Post by DanMcQ on Apr 22, 2009 9:41:19 GMT -5
If I recall correctly, a big reason we took Omar was because he got hot in a pickup game. The difference is that this recruit appears to have been playing such games weekly for at least a month. That should weed out one hot streak.
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Post by HeartAttackHoya on Apr 22, 2009 10:08:12 GMT -5
this board has continually expressed that too many 5 start players and not enough hard working role players would not work in a Princeton offense. We now have signed a hard working local kid with a Big East body who is ready to come in and bang and do what is needed for the team. I am beyond thrilled at this signing... Especially, the more I read about the kid.. Welcome Jerelle. Georgetown will love you!!
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Post by SFHoya99 on Apr 22, 2009 10:19:10 GMT -5
I don't think you can't have a ton of five stars.
I don't think that there's anything about the Princeton that makes that true, either.
I do think that you need players, of whatever quality, to accept a role, and to be two way players. They can't all be trying to be scorers, and they can't all be playing for themselves and not for the team.
UNC has about seven kajillion five stars, but it worked not because of the offense they ran, but because they had Deon Thompson willing to let Hansbrough take most of the shots; Danny Green and Marcus Ginyard accepted games where they didn't score; Lawson accepted his role as a distributor until his junior year when he just became awesome; and Ed Davis and other freshmen accepted limited minutes and roles.
Does the pace help somewhat? Sure. UNC probably gets 10 more shots a game to pass around.
But the difference is that our backup PG/defensive stopper transferred. UNC's backup PG (Frasor) has stuck it out as a backup and their defensive stopper (Ginyard) stuck it out in that role as well.
Our rising junior starting power forward to be transferred, and theirs (Thompson) stuck around.
The staff has to address why -- were these isolated incidents of players thinking too much of themselves? Why do UNC's 5 stars care more about winning than showcasing? Why are they content to wait?
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Post by the_way on Apr 22, 2009 10:19:44 GMT -5
this board has continually expressed that too many 5 start players and not enough hard working role players would not work in a Princeton offense. We now have signed a hard working local kid with a Big East body who is ready to come in and bang and do what is needed for the team. I am beyond thrilled at this signing... Especially, the more I read about the kid.. Welcome Jerelle. Georgetown will love you!! This board has also been wrong about a lot of so-called "great" players that came here, only to fail to live up to or players with a lot of less fanfare that exceeded expectations. Thornton - "will be perfect for the Princeton offense" (c) hoyatalk Monroe - "one and done" (c) hoyatalk. Macklin - "one and done...the next KG" (c) hoyatalk Guibunda - "will start over Jeff and Roy their freshman year" (c) hoyatalk Wallace - "nothing more than a bench player, not Big East caliber" (c) hoyatalk Chris Wright - "will be a serious upgrade from Wallace....we won't miss Wallace graduating at all" (c) hoyatalk Sims - "should have started all year. waaay better than Nikita. Coach much be trying to prove a point" (c) hoyatalk Summers - "gonna be the next Jeff Green. he can do it all if he just worked on his game. he can be a great rebounder, great dribbler, great leader...only if he worked on his game...doesn't smile enough....must have NBA on his mind" (c) hoyatalk Green - "Jeff was good, but let's not go overboard here. JTIII made him. Plus, Jeff punked out in the Ohio State game. so he couldn't have been that great. Monroe is better. Plus, Monroe doesn't have a HIbbert on his team to hold his hand, like Jeff did" (c) hoyatalk So, its quite evident, a lot of guys on here have no clue of whats going on and who can play and who can't. So let's trust the staff in the decision making process. In recruiting there are busts and guys who become superstars who were lighlty regarded in high school. Let's think about that before we frown upon or be happy for who we signed before they play a game for us next year.
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Post by cnyhoya on Apr 22, 2009 10:28:03 GMT -5
If I recall correctly, a big reason we took Omar was because he got hot in a pickup game. The difference is that this recruit appears to have been playing such games weekly for at least a month. That should weed out one hot streak. After last season, it would not surprise me if Coach is looking hard at team chemistry. So perhaps the frequent pickup games were important in showing a healthy interaction with the rest of the team, and not just whether or not he could light it up.
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Post by Filo on Apr 22, 2009 10:32:24 GMT -5
I agree with the overall point that it would be nice if we all just wait and see how the kid plays before we give the thumbs up or thumbs down, or say that it is a panic move. However, let's not pretend that any of those quotes above are some sort of Hoyatalk consensus. There are divergent opinions on here -- opinions are all over the map, in fact -- and let's not pretend that the "board' has been right or wrong about anything. Everyone has been right on some things and wrong on other things. Except of course _the way, who apparently knows all.
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