Jerrelle Benimon commits to Hoyas for 2009

[hoyas big supporter]

Apr 21, 2009 16:20:37 GMT -5 HeartAttackHoya said:

Apr 21, 2009 15:19:03 GMT -5 CAHoya07 said:

I like it. Every team needs these kinds of role players, and adding Jerrelle gives us some sorely needed depth in the frontcourt. This late in the game, you don't have a choice - you have to go for under the radar kids. As long as they buy into the system and not bitch and moan when they don't get the playing time they think they deserve, I like us recruiting these types of players to supplement the few studs that we should be getting each year. And who knows, maybe Jerrelle can blossom into a great 4-year player for us.

I'm cautiously optimistic because I know he didn't play in a stellar league, but 17 rebounds a game sounds like a great pick-up. So, along with Vee, and as long as the aforementioned letter of intent actually gets sent and signed, welcome to the Hilltop.

This might be it for us for 2009 - as mentioned, this signing could be an insurance policy in case Latavious doesn't pan out. Which is fine, I think with these two pickups and everybody currently coming back (knock on wood), we are in good shape for next year. From reports, it sounds like adding Latavious could be a big bonus, so we'll see how it pans out, but I already feel much, much better about the Hoyas' future than I did a week, hell, a couple days ago.

while I agree Freeman looked like a player that was FAR from a NBA player this past year, doubting his talent level to make it in the league is something else. I'm obviously not sipping too much hoya blue juice when I believe this either:

www.draftexpress.com/article/Top-NBA-Draft-Prospects-in-the-Big-East--Part-Three-11-15--3027/

there's the spirit!
i agree

[GIGAFAN99]

I'm excited/disappointed about this. He looks like he fills a need/is a practice player and he may be a diamond in the rough/four-year character type guy. Heck he could be the next Jon Wallace/Omari Faulkner.

I know nothing about this kid. Welcome aboard to him though.

[alleninxis]

So if LW comes aboard, that leaves 1 'ship for 2010. (greg leaving)

Personally, I wanted 4 kids in 2010, not 3...but I'm sure it'll work itself out

[RBHoya]

Apr 21, 2009 19:52:24 GMT -5 alleninxis said:

So if LW comes aboard, that leaves 1 'ship for 2010. (greg leaving)

Personally, I wanted 4 kids in 2010, not 3...but I'm sure it'll work itself out

Why do you say that and who would you want? A lot of people seem to feel this way.

My take has always been that unless one of em was a center we really didn't need 4 in 2010. One point (got it), one 4 man (got it) and one wing would be enough. I think if you bring in 2 wings there won't be enough minutes for everyone.

[alleninxis]

because of how much talent we're on.

If you're tellin me if I can have Benimon or Kendrick/Odom/Barton....I want the later.

[richfame]

I totally agree with allen. All the talk on this board was about 2010, just wait till 2010 well have the schollies so many great players intrested in potentially coming here. Now we take a project instead of a potential stud? True we need a banger and high character, so good luck Mr Benimon hope your luke harengody lite.

[sleepy]

Apr 21, 2009 20:38:12 GMT -5 alleninxis said:

because of how much talent we're on.

If you're tellin me if I can have Benimon or Kendrick/Odom/Barton....I want the later.

Problem is, they all play the same position. The same position a senior Austin Freeman and a sophomore Hollis Thompson and a senior Nikita play. Adding anymore than one is just asking for transfers/chemistry problems.

[SFHoya99]

For anyone who has seen him, a more skilled Boubacar Aw? Victor Shomnick? I've seen the Jerome comparisons -- so maybe Jerome Light? (I hesitate to compare anyone to 'Rome).

[alleninxis]

All we've heard is how interchangeable kids like Roscoe, Kendrick and Odum can be.

For 1 year, one of them may struggle to see the floor...but i'd be willing to wait.

[HoyasAreHungry]

if we want a kid and they want us it will work out....honestly when have we ever been like ohhh shucks this top 20 player wants to come here and we have to pass.....really??? guys seriously....the scholarship situation will work itself out. And before anyone says anything no i don't think we force people out. Clearly the staff has a good idea of what is going on. we can only speculate. Is it even confirmed that Bennimon has a FULL SCHOLARSHIP? We assume guys like Nikkita or Omar etc had Full scholarships but I know in other sports giving partial scholarships is quite common...the rest of aid would be made up by need based scholarships or other means. I don't know if that applies to basketball. The point is though I wouldn't worry about the scholie situation it will work out fine

[bmartin]

You can't divide the 13 scholarships. You can only have 13 scholarship players. Period.

[sleepy]

Apr 21, 2009 21:01:57 GMT -5 alleninxis said:

All we've heard is how interchangeable kids like Roscoe, Kendrick and Odum can be.

For 1 year, one of them may struggle to see the floor...but i'd be willing to wait.

I think this year sort of changed the coaching staffs mind on that in a way. Its great to have a lot of versatile players, but we need a varation too. We also need guys who are going to stick around for 4 years.
I just don't see the need to have two wings in 2010 that play with similar skill sets and strengths in a position we already will have two experienced players at. Two guys that are also going to be showcasing themselves for the next level as well, and probably don't have much of a desire to stick around 4 years. Not that there is anything wrong with that, but thats how chemistry problems can be caused.

[bmartin]

People need to stop obsessing over the AAU stars' ratings. Benimon looks like the kind of guy who kicked our ass this season by getting rebounds and making putbacks. We lost 4 or 5 games that could have been won with 2 or 3 more rebounds. Give the guy a chance.

[HoyasAreHungry]

Apr 21, 2009 21:11:26 GMT -5 bmartin said:

You can't divide the 13 scholarships. You can only have 13 scholarship players. Period.

not true....you can give half to one player and half to another....net result 1 scholarship used

[FewFAC]

Welcome! Sometimes a PHD is just what the doctor ordered...

[SFHoya99]

You can give the money in halves or quartes or whatever, but in terms of counting towards the 13 limit, ANY money given by the school is counted as a full scholarship.

This is only true in DI-A Football and Basketball.

[RBHoya]

Apr 21, 2009 20:38:12 GMT -5 alleninxis said:

because of how much talent we're on.

If you're tellin me if I can have Benimon or Kendrick/Odom/Barton....I want the later.

On paper I'd agree with you, but practically it's nearly impossible to get everyone minutes... Say we land Kendrick and Odom (or Smith and Barton or Ross and Jones or any combo of your 2 favorite 2010 wings). Then the 1-3 for next season would be:


Wright(sr)/Starks(fr)/Sanford(so)
Freeman(sr)/Clark(jr)/Kendrick(fr)
Thompson(so)/Mescheriakov(rs jr)/Odom(fr)

How do you get everyone minutes there? Between senior Freeman and junior Clark there is MORE than enough talent at the 2 spot. In fact I think by then Clark is going to be commanding 30 minutes per game on his own, so you might see he or Freeman swing to the 3 for 10-20 mpg as a third guard just to get the most talented guys on the floor for the most time. How could you get Kendrick PT in that scenario?

You might say swing him over to the 3. But in that case you've got Hollis, Nikita, Austin (playing out of position for maybe 10 mpg) and TWO freshmen trying to split 40 minutes/game at the 3 spot. Somebody is going to get the short end of the stick there and experience + talent probably trumps talent. And if you bring in highly regarded kids and then dont get them minutes, you're asking for more departures.

Since none of these guys can move to the 4 spot, I don't really see any way you can slice up the minutes to get 2 2010 wings adequate PT. 1, sure, but I don't think you can really pull it off with 2.

[HoyasAreHungry]

i stand corrected....as i said earlier i knew you could do this in other sports but didn't know if it was true in basketball

[bmartin]

Look it up.

15.5.5 Basketball Limitations.
15.5.5.1 Men’s Basketball. There shall be a limit of 13 on the total number of counters in men’s basketball at each institution. (Adopted: 1/10/91 effective 8/1/92; Revised: 4/27/00 effective 8/1/01, 11/01/01, 4/29/04 effective 8/1/04)

15.5.1 Counters. A student-athlete shall be a counter and included in the maximum awards limitations set forth in this bylaw under the following conditions: (Revised: 6/10/04)
(a) Athletics Aid. A student-athlete who receives financial aid based in any degree on athletics ability shall become a counter for the year during which the student-athlete receives the financial aid; or
(b) Athletics Participation as a Major Criterion. A recruited student-athlete who receives outside financial aid for which athletics participation is a major criterion (see Bylaw 15.2.6.4) shall become a counter for the year during which the student-athlete receives the aid; or
(c) Educational Expenses— Olympic Committee/National Governing Body. A student-athlete who receives educational expenses awarded by the U.S. Olympic Committee or a U.S. national governing body (or, for international student-athletes, expenses awarded by the equivalent organization of a foreign country) per Bylaw 15.2.6.5 shall become a counter for the year during which the student-athlete receives the aid.
15.5.1.1 No Athletics Aid—Certification Required. A student-athlete (except for a recruited football or basketball student-athlete) who does not receive athletically related financial aid per Bylaw 15.5.1-(a) through 15.5.1-(c), but receives institutional financial aid (as set forth in Bylaw 15.02.4.1) shall not be a counter if the faculty athletics representative and the director of financial aid have certified that the student-athlete’s financial aid was granted without regard in any degree to athletics ability. The certification shall be kept on file in the office of the athletics director.
15.5.1.2 Football or Basketball, Varsity Competition. In football or basketball, a student-athlete who was recruited by the awarding institution and who receives institutional financial aid (as set forth in Bylaw 15.02.4.1) granted without regard in any degree to athletics ability does not have to be counted until the student-athlete engages in varsity intercollegiate competition (as opposed to freshman, B-team, subvarsity, intramural or club competition) in those sports. For this provision to be applicable, there shall be on file in the office of the athletics director certification by the faculty athletics representative, the admissions officer and the chair of the financial aid committee that the student’s admission and financial aid were granted without regard in any degree to athletics ability. (Revised: 1/16/93 effective 8/1/93, 1/11/94, 6/20/04)

www.ncaapublications.com/Uploads/PDF/Division_1_Manual_2008-09e9e568a1-c269-4423-9ca5-16d6827c16bc.pdf

[lichoya68]

welcome jerrelle yup and i have NO CLUE FROM THIS HOW MANY FREAKING SCHOLIES WE HAVE NOW OR FOREVER go hoyas go jt3 and one coach was NOT AT THE BBALL DINER HER WAS OUT RECRUITING the beat goes on yes