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Post by hifigator on Aug 13, 2009 16:05:07 GMT -5
I forgot to mention: maybe I am being a bit naive, but I have a bit of sympathy for O'Leary, if what I heard was correct. As I remember, he did embellish (fancy word for "lie" that doesn't sound quite so bad...) his resume'. But it was years ago for an earlier position. Again, that's not to justify that, but just to put it in perspective. If I remember correctly, this was on one of his earliest resume's and he had had numerous positions since then. His resume' just kept getting more and more detailed. Now, some decade plus later, this error shows up. I guess maybe I am putting too much emphasis on intent, but if I'm right, then it's my guess that he didn't intentionally leave the embellished facts on the resume' intentionally. In other words, had he thought about it, he would have simply removed these old details from it altogether. They thought enough of him to hire him, not based on some details from many years earlier, but from the tangible stuff they had in front of them -- from his personal interviews to his recent history coaching at places such as Georgia Tech. Again, I'm not giving him a free pass and ignoring any such lies, but in this particular case, I just don't think that it should have been the big deal that it was. I guess what I am saying is that I think it could have been handled differently.
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Post by The Stig on Aug 13, 2009 18:11:32 GMT -5
Looks like Louisville might be keeping Pitino onboard: sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=4397014As others have said, the school appears to have pretty solid legal ground on which to fire him. The real question is whether they want to do so, and it seems that they've chosen not to.
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Aug 13, 2009 19:57:14 GMT -5
L'ville might want to keep him, but I would say his coaching the team this year will be quite a distraction on the road. Fans are brutal enough, if you are squeaky clean.
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Post by DanMcQ on Aug 13, 2009 20:34:40 GMT -5
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Post by SFHoya99 on Aug 13, 2009 20:41:13 GMT -5
Also proving that math is apparently an elective at Louisville.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Aug 13, 2009 20:42:33 GMT -5
I forgot to mention: maybe I am being a bit naive, but I have a bit of sympathy for O'Leary, if what I heard was correct. As I remember, he did embellish (fancy word for "lie" that doesn't sound quite so bad...) his resume'. But it was years ago for an earlier position. Again, that's not to justify that, but just to put it in perspective. If I remember correctly, this was on one of his earliest resume's and he had had numerous positions since then. His resume' just kept getting more and more detailed. Now, some decade plus later, this error shows up. I guess maybe I am putting too much emphasis on intent, but if I'm right, then it's my guess that he didn't intentionally leave the embellished facts on the resume' intentionally. In other words, had he thought about it, he would have simply removed these old details from it altogether. They thought enough of him to hire him, not based on some details from many years earlier, but from the tangible stuff they had in front of them -- from his personal interviews to his recent history coaching at places such as Georgia Tech. Again, I'm not giving him a free pass and ignoring any such lies, but in this particular case, I just don't think that it should have been the big deal that it was. I guess what I am saying is that I think it could have been handled differently. What he did wasn't embellishment. It was an outright lie. Everyone "spins" their resume to some extent, even if it is just in choices of words. But most people don't make up degrees or accomplishments.
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Post by hoyarooter on Aug 13, 2009 21:04:51 GMT -5
I also find hifi's take spot on even if largely unwelcome. [/b] Now that's funny right there. I don't care who you are. [/quote] So funny I forgot to laugh![/quote] Lisa Luebner lives! RIP, Gilda.
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Post by hoyaalf on Aug 13, 2009 23:15:16 GMT -5
Spoken with a Sligo accent:
Ahh! An' Father E. Paul Betowski, S.J. would be proud of yous all! takin' on the e'tics o' the t'ing
Now leave the poor family to their pain. It has n'ought to do with us. His fate is not in our hands, Now its for his family hereabouts we should be concerned.
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Post by hoya95 on Aug 13, 2009 23:30:07 GMT -5
And Michael Vick should wipe him completely out of the sports headlines tomorrow. There will certainly be fallout when the season starts, but the media hordes may well move off of him for good now. (And there is bound to be a new scandal by Monday somewhere else.) Sometimes it really is a 24 hour news cycle.
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Post by DanMcQ on Aug 14, 2009 9:24:09 GMT -5
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Post by SirSaxa on Aug 14, 2009 10:07:36 GMT -5
She sounds like the "Fatal Attraction" character. And Pitino doesn't come off very well either. Sordid, seamy details. Very unfortunate for everyone involved, including the U of L and it's president. Now that the media is into it, more details and additional women are likely to be "uncovered" (pun acknowledged). Rick is unlikely to succeed with his idea of a clean break and putting it behind him. But we shall see. Sorry for his Hoya son and the rest of his family.
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Post by hifigator on Aug 14, 2009 11:41:29 GMT -5
I forgot to mention: maybe I am being a bit naive, but I have a bit of sympathy for O'Leary, if what I heard was correct. As I remember, he did embellish (fancy word for "lie" that doesn't sound quite so bad...) his resume'. But it was years ago for an earlier position. Again, that's not to justify that, but just to put it in perspective. If I remember correctly, this was on one of his earliest resume's and he had had numerous positions since then. His resume' just kept getting more and more detailed. Now, some decade plus later, this error shows up. I guess maybe I am putting too much emphasis on intent, but if I'm right, then it's my guess that he didn't intentionally leave the embellished facts on the resume' intentionally. In other words, had he thought about it, he would have simply removed these old details from it altogether. They thought enough of him to hire him, not based on some details from many years earlier, but from the tangible stuff they had in front of them -- from his personal interviews to his recent history coaching at places such as Georgia Tech. Again, I'm not giving him a free pass and ignoring any such lies, but in this particular case, I just don't think that it should have been the big deal that it was. I guess what I am saying is that I think it could have been handled differently. What he did wasn't embellishment. It was an outright lie. Everyone "spins" their resume to some extent, even if it is just in choices of words. But most people don't make up degrees or accomplishments. Yeah, I'm not going to argue that. I guess I just view it differently due to the timeline. IF his fabrication was current, then I would view it entirely differently than I do as it is now. I guess my point is that he isn't getting hired based on his resume'. He was getting hired based on two things: his personality when interviewed and his documented accomplishments. The fact that he had listed some undocumented "accomplishments" that never happened, didn't really factor in his hiring. But they certainly factored in his firing.
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Post by cdnhoya on Aug 14, 2009 12:03:46 GMT -5
O'Leary wasn't as bad as Tim Johnson, the former Toronto Blue Jays manager who told the team "motivational" combat stories about his service in Vietnam even though he was never there...
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Aug 14, 2009 16:27:29 GMT -5
Does anyone actually remember the O'Leary incident? Let's get real, he did have some fake degree on his resume but I guarantee it didn't affect the hiring process even a little.
O'Leary's fake degree was found after it became quite clear the ND boosters did not want him to become head coach of the Irish. So while the official story was "fraud" the real story was "buyer's remorse." Anyone believe they have a press conference and announce a hiring without checking the background of the new head coach of one of the most lucrative college football teams?
This rule holds here as well. Rico Suave is one of about 4 near indispensable coaches in college basketball. So the administration and boosters don't care what he did with his Pitinis. Firing him carries too much downside so he'll say two "I'm sorries" and four "errors in judgment" as his penance and move on.
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Aug 14, 2009 23:32:42 GMT -5
Spoken with a Sligo accent: Ahh! An' Father E. Paul Betowski, S.J. would be proud of yous all! takin' on the e'tics o' the t'ing Now leave the poor family to their pain. It has n'ought to do with us. His fate is not in our hands, Now its for his family hereabouts we should be concerned. Ah, you had my uncle for ethics!
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Post by hoyaalf on Aug 15, 2009 10:57:56 GMT -5
General and Special Ethics
The text was by Austin Fagothey if memory serves.
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Aug 15, 2009 15:58:42 GMT -5
General and Special Ethics The text was by Austin Fagothey if memory serves. I was scheduled for his class, but opted out for obvious reasons.
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Post by hoyaalf on Aug 16, 2009 12:03:03 GMT -5
Ethics?
Or you didn't like Fagothey?
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Aug 16, 2009 15:18:45 GMT -5
Ethics? Or you didn't like Fagothey? Ethics! Afraid of nepotism.
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Post by DanMcQ on Aug 26, 2009 19:28:48 GMT -5
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