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Post by guru on Aug 12, 2009 8:13:17 GMT -5
How about the aide "listening in"? What a creepy story - awful for his family, but Pitino brought whatever fallout comes his way entirely on himself.
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Post by jjherr27 on Aug 12, 2009 8:54:01 GMT -5
this story made me want to hurl.
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HoyaNCCT
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Post by HoyaNCCT on Aug 12, 2009 9:43:52 GMT -5
Just another story where you can't judge a book by its cover. This is very sad. Hopefully his family didn't find out about this today for the first time.
Also, be careful about your commentary - his Hoya sons may read this board.
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vcjack
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Post by vcjack on Aug 12, 2009 9:45:28 GMT -5
I wonder which student section will come up with the most inappropriate chant for this one.... I do feel bad for his family (2 of his sons are Hoyas) - thats just humiliating. Not us, we don't play them at home (thank jebus)
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Aug 12, 2009 9:54:36 GMT -5
I'll venture a guess and say that Sports Information Control (SIC) and the Phone Booth staff would attempt to limit signage concerning this matter. Jeering, on the other hand, might be too difficult to stop.
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vcjack
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Post by vcjack on Aug 12, 2009 9:59:27 GMT -5
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Post by PhillyHoya on Aug 12, 2009 10:55:00 GMT -5
I wonder which student section will come up with the most inappropriate chant for this one.... I do feel bad for his family (2 of his sons are Hoyas) - thats just humiliating. Not us, we don't play them at home (thank jebus) But Syracuse and West Virginia do and my money is definitely on them.
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Post by jackdog74 on Aug 12, 2009 11:44:00 GMT -5
I guess the real question -- does Louisville use the morality clause to fire him? I mean, there is a debate on both sides here -- risk your highly successful basketball program which is a big money earner especially with John Cal taking over in Lexington or take the moral high road and fire somebody essentially for cheating on his wife.
Interesting question -- what would we do at GU if it were Coach Thompson?
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Post by FormerHoya on Aug 12, 2009 12:02:07 GMT -5
I guess the real question -- does Louisville use the morality clause to fire him? I mean, there is a debate on both sides here -- risk your highly successful basketball program which is a big money earner especially with John Cal taking over in Lexington or take the moral high road and fire somebody essentially for cheating on his wife. Interesting question -- what would we do at GU if it were Coach Thompson? I think at Georgetown the question would be different. Pitino paid for her abortion, I'm not up on my theology, but we can ask easyed what the church's position on this is...
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Post by MCIGuy on Aug 12, 2009 12:12:14 GMT -5
I like Pitino so I'm kind of sad about this. But I knew that there was something more going on (just didn't know it would be this bad).
To think on the basketball subforum someone is all worked up about DaJaun bringing shame to the university because of a stupid twitter contest with a porn star. There's faux shame and then there's the real deal. People need perspective.
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Post by hoyarooter on Aug 12, 2009 12:18:34 GMT -5
This is very unfortunate. There's no good way that this can play out.
Who knew that Pitino and Boris Becker were cut from the same cloth?
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Post by DFW HOYA on Aug 12, 2009 12:25:37 GMT -5
The Louisville Courier-Journal has procured a copy of coach Pitino's contract. Employment contracts like this are not available from private schools but are something available through open records at almost every state school (though not Penn State, but that's another topic...) Section 6.1.2 has a morals clause. tinyurl.com/opxwko
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Post by theexorcist on Aug 12, 2009 12:36:54 GMT -5
I guess the real question -- does Louisville use the morality clause to fire him? I mean, there is a debate on both sides here -- risk your highly successful basketball program which is a big money earner especially with John Cal taking over in Lexington or take the moral high road and fire somebody essentially for cheating on his wife. Interesting question -- what would we do at GU if it were Coach Thompson? I think at Georgetown the question would be different. Pitino paid for her abortion, I'm not up on my theology, but we can ask easyed what the church's position on this is... No question - Georgetown would have given any coach his or her walking papers by now in this case. Sex outside of marriage, PLUS paying for an abortion?
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Post by PhillyHoya on Aug 12, 2009 12:49:08 GMT -5
I think if it did happen at GU, not that it ever would, they would quietly step down before things even reached the public.
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Post by hoya95 on Aug 12, 2009 12:49:52 GMT -5
The Louisville Courier-Journal has procured a copy of coach Pitino's contract. Employment contracts like this are not available from private schools but are something available through open records at almost every state school (though not Penn State, but that's another topic...) Section 6.1.2 has a morals clause. tinyurl.com/opxwkoThey could certainly try to fire him for cause on that morals clause, but it would probably be a pretty expensive fight. Just about every word in that paragraph is subject to intrepretation, and I seriously doubt there is much relevant case law out there. Is having a one night stand "willful misconduct"? What are the "objective standards" that he should know will bring harm to the university? We can have our opinions, but it sure isn't clear legally yet. More likely, this just comes down to fan/alumni reaction and winning. If the fans want to win and think they need him to do so, then he'll survive. But if they think he's become an embarassment who won't win enough, then they'll work out some kind of deal for him to step aside. Just really ugly and unfortunate.
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Post by hifigator on Aug 12, 2009 12:58:26 GMT -5
I guess the real question -- does Louisville use the morality clause to fire him? I mean, there is a debate on both sides here -- risk your highly successful basketball program which is a big money earner especially with John Cal taking over in Lexington or take the moral high road and fire somebody essentially for cheating on his wife. Interesting question -- what would we do at GU if it were Coach Thompson? I think at Georgetown the question would be different. Pitino paid for her abortion, I'm not up on my theology, but we can ask easyed what the church's position on this is... My guess is that easyed would say that the issues are really unrelated. And that in his mind, the abortion itself was wrong. But how the paying of said abortion relates, we will have to hear from him.
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Post by theexorcist on Aug 12, 2009 13:12:05 GMT -5
I think at Georgetown the question would be different. Pitino paid for her abortion, I'm not up on my theology, but we can ask easyed what the church's position on this is... My guess is that easyed would say that the issues are really unrelated. And that in his mind, the abortion itself was wrong. But how the paying of said abortion relates, we will have to hear from him. If he didn't pay for it, he could have at least weaseled and said "what I did was wrong", but she made the decision without him. Infidelity can be explained as a moment of weakness sin - while it's certainly not minor, it's manageable. Abortion is much worse - and paying someone else to have one seems even more reprehensible. With that said, the way that Georgetown works, Philly is right on the money. Said coach disappears, wanting to either spend more time with family or needing to move to another city for spurious reasons. EDIT - talking about this story makes me nauseous.
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Post by FormerHoya on Aug 12, 2009 13:15:56 GMT -5
I think at Georgetown the question would be different. Pitino paid for her abortion, I'm not up on my theology, but we can ask easyed what the church's position on this is... My guess is that easyed would say that the issues are really unrelated. And that in his mind, the abortion itself was wrong. But how the paying of said abortion relates, we will have to hear from him. I was being facetious. Paying for one puts you in the same boat in the eyes of the church. Also, Philly, the situations are different, but aren't you cute.
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Post by JS on Aug 12, 2009 13:35:28 GMT -5
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Aug 12, 2009 13:44:56 GMT -5
it seems that he could be fired for either clause 6.1.2 or 6.1.4 the first of which being bringin negative publicity to the university and the second for the act of moral depravity in addition to employee dishonesty because the AD said rick came and told him about the situation but didn't tell him this. So he lied to his boss too.
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