PhillyHoya
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Post by PhillyHoya on Aug 12, 2009 14:20:07 GMT -5
My guess is that easyed would say that the issues are really unrelated. And that in his mind, the abortion itself was wrong. But how the paying of said abortion relates, we will have to hear from him. I was being facetious. Paying for one puts you in the same boat in the eyes of the church. Also, Philly, the situations are different, but aren't you cute. I'm aware of the past goings on in other sports at Georgetown but I'd think the basketball program would be held to the highest moral standard, hence what I said earlier.
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Post by JohnJacquesLayup on Aug 12, 2009 14:22:42 GMT -5
Although I think the discussion could center on the contract, and whether L'ville has the clauses in place to fire him, I agree with hoya95. This is more about whether L'ville and their fan base/boosters want him fired than whether they have the legal backing to do so. My guess is they feel he's the best coach to maintain a winning program, and find a way to keep him.
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vcjack
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Post by vcjack on Aug 12, 2009 18:01:27 GMT -5
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hoyaalf
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Post by hoyaalf on Aug 12, 2009 19:25:42 GMT -5
Call me old fashioned but I would like to draw the veil of charity across this unfortunate circumstance.
Quis custodes custodiet?
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hoyaalf
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Post by hoyaalf on Aug 12, 2009 19:28:17 GMT -5
'Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? ' to be accurate.
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Post by StPetersburgHoya (Inactive) on Aug 13, 2009 7:28:30 GMT -5
Ok, so we've established that the University can fire him if it wants to. Larry Eustacy comes to mind as someone who didn't do something illegal, but was fired nonetheless because the school didn't want a continuing black eye for the program.
If Pitino coached at Georgetown, would you want him fired?
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theexorcist
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Post by theexorcist on Aug 13, 2009 8:39:45 GMT -5
Ok, so we've established that the University can fire him if it wants to. Larry Eustacy comes to mind as someone who didn't do something illegal, but was fired nonetheless because the school didn't want a continuing black eye for the program. If Pitino coached at Georgetown, would you want him fired? Yup.
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Aug 13, 2009 11:40:49 GMT -5
I may be wrong, but Eustachy could have been in the presence of underaged drinkers (not wise, but legal). Does not really take away from the point, however.
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hifigator
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Post by hifigator on Aug 13, 2009 12:02:53 GMT -5
I think this is just a bunch of hooey. Do we want to promote adultery? Of course not. Do we want to promote general promiscuity? Not really. But should we start incorporating morality with respect to individual choice into a job description, where it pretty much doesn't belong? I think not. Now I understand that part of being a coach to still pretty young and impressionable young adults is leading by example. And I could see some complaining and suggesting that such improprieties affect the ability of the coach to be such a role model.
But in my opinion, issues like this don't warrant such a view. If he were publicly flaunting his image as an adulterer, then I might think differently. But by all accounts that I have heard, this was an isolated incident and a spontaneous one at that. I just don't think that all of this hoopla over this story is warranted in any way. What he did wasn't illegal at all, and his response in reaction to this story becoming public are what I would want from my coach if I were in this situation.
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theexorcist
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Post by theexorcist on Aug 13, 2009 12:17:50 GMT -5
I think this is just a bunch of hooey. Do we want to promote adultery? Of course not. Do we want to promote general promiscuity? Not really. But should we start incorporating morality with respect to individual choice into a job description, where it pretty much doesn't belong? I think not. Now I understand that part of being a coach to still pretty young and impressionable young adults is leading by example. And I could see some complaining and suggesting that such improprieties affect the ability of the coach to be such a role model. But in my opinion, issues like this don't warrant such a view. If he were publicly flaunting his image as an adulterer, then I might think differently. But by all accounts that I have heard, this was an isolated incident and a spontaneous one at that. I just don't think that all of this hoopla over this story is warranted in any way. What he did wasn't illegal at all, and his response in reaction to this story becoming public are what I would want from my coach if I were in this situation. I also attended the University of Delaware and feel some affinity for them. If a Delaware coach was in the same boat, I wouldn't like it, but I push for him or her to be fired. Georgetown's different. The difference is that Georgetown is a Catholic institution and it holds itself to a higher standard. I could understand the adultery, if it was accompanied by a public apology, but not the paying for an abortion. No way. Notre Dame or BC would fire them without question. BYU would fire the person and issue shoot on sight orders if the person ever got inside Provo city limits. Georgetown, if it ever got into this situation, should have the courage to do the same.
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hifigator
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Post by hifigator on Aug 13, 2009 13:02:20 GMT -5
Fair enough.
By the way, I still have my own doubts as to the accuracy/details of this story.
As I've heard it, Pitino had never met this lady. He met her at a restaurant. Later that same day, after the restaurant had closed, he had sex with her in the restaurant, on one of the tables in the back no less. That much I can believe. But then she got pregnant and confronted him a month later with the news. I know that can happen for sure, but it begins to look suspicious. Then she says that she doesn't have any health insurance to cover her pregnancy. He then gives her $3000 for an abortion. Depending on which story you believe, she either willingly or reluctantly went along with the abortion decision. Done deal right? Then, she tries to blackmail him. The charges eventually turn into extortion. Pitino "comes clean" and that's where we are now.
If I had to make an educated guess from what I know now, I think her story looks supicious from the start. I think she wasn't caught in the throughs of passion to begin with. I think she was making some sort of calculated action, with potential future benefits in mind. Was she intentionally trying to become pregnant? I don't know. Was she even pregnant to begin with? Maybe not. Even so, did she hop in the sack early and often immediately after that first tryst attempting to entrap Pitino? That would make sense too.
All I can say is that her actions since the encounter are consistent with any of those theories.
Thoughts?
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hoyarooter
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Post by hoyarooter on Aug 13, 2009 13:24:09 GMT -5
Amazingly, I agree with you. This reeks of entrapment, and I have serious doubts that she was ever pregnant. It's just hard to believe that Pitino's judgment could have been this poor.
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Aug 13, 2009 13:39:09 GMT -5
I also find hifi's take spot on even if largely unwelcome. Pitino is so slimey that his spinmeisters have said that the money was for health insurance rather than an abortion. I suspect the difference is not much considering that not too many insurance carriers would want to cover an abortion for someone who is already pregnant when such insurance is purchased.
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Post by tlphoya on Aug 13, 2009 13:43:19 GMT -5
I agree with Rooter. Despite her intentions (and they sound fishy at best), Pitino was unfaithful to his wife and embarrassed his family and the school for which he is a high profile representative. Her intentions don't make his actions excusable in any way.
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rosslynhoya
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Post by rosslynhoya on Aug 13, 2009 13:47:02 GMT -5
By the way, I still have my own doubts as to the accuracy/details of this story. As I've heard it, Pitino had never met this lady. "Sypher is married to the team's equipment manager, Tim Sypher, but divorce papers were recently filed. Tim Sypher was Pitino's personal assistant with the Boston Celtics from 1997-2001, then followed the coach to Louisville in 2001." That bit of tackiness takes the offense to the next level... sleeping with your minions' wives, yuck.
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FormerHoya
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Post by FormerHoya on Aug 13, 2009 14:05:27 GMT -5
By the way, I still have my own doubts as to the accuracy/details of this story. As I've heard it, Pitino had never met this lady. "Sypher is married to the team's equipment manager, Tim Sypher, but divorce papers were recently filed. Tim Sypher was Pitino's personal assistant with the Boston Celtics from 1997-2001, then followed the coach to Louisville in 2001." That bit of tackiness takes the offense to the next level... sleeping with your minions' wives, yuck. I don't know if this makes it better or worse, but didn't the equipment manager marry her after she was involved w/ Pitino?
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SirSaxa
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Post by SirSaxa on Aug 13, 2009 14:31:01 GMT -5
Remember that ND Football Head Coach -- George O'Leary?? -- who got fired after one day on the job because he had false info on his resume years ago and never corrected it?
How do you think that compares with the current Pitino situation?
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rosslynhoya
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Post by rosslynhoya on Aug 13, 2009 14:41:16 GMT -5
Comparable. O'Leary was caught claiming to have been a three-time letterwinner in football at UNH ... when he had never played in a single game. He told ND's pres that he was sorry and that that was the only thing he lied about. Shortly thereafter, it was revealed that on that same resúmé he had also claimed to have earned a Master's from a non-existent college. Fool me once shame on you; fool me twice, you don't get to coach at Notre Dame.
From the UL president's statement, it sounds like the $3k abortion hush money never came up when Pitino chatted with him about the affair/extortion scheme in April.
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hifigator
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Post by hifigator on Aug 13, 2009 15:35:50 GMT -5
I also find hifi's take spot on even if largely unwelcome. Pitino is so slimey that his spinmeisters have said that the money was for health insurance rather than an abortion. I suspect the difference is not much considering that not too many insurance carriers would want to cover an abortion for someone who is already pregnant when such insurance is purchased. I also find hifi's take spot on even if largely unwelcome. [/b] Now that's funny right there. I don't care who you are. rosslyn wrote: "Sypher is married to the team's equipment manager, Tim Sypher, but divorce papers were recently filed. Tim Sypher was Pitino's personal assistant with the Boston Celtics from 1997-2001, then followed the coach to Louisville in 2001."
All I know is what I read/ heard, and what I heard was that they had never met. Now I also heard that she was the wife of someone connected with the team, but I don't have any idea of the timeline.
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theexorcist
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Post by theexorcist on Aug 13, 2009 15:42:23 GMT -5
I also find hifi's take spot on even if largely unwelcome. Pitino is so slimey that his spinmeisters have said that the money was for health insurance rather than an abortion. I suspect the difference is not much considering that not too many insurance carriers would want to cover an abortion for someone who is already pregnant when such insurance is purchased. I also find hifi's take spot on even if largely unwelcome. [/b] Now that's funny right there. I don't care who you are. [/quote] So funny I forgot to laugh!
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