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Post by hifigator on Oct 20, 2009 11:04:13 GMT -5
I could have gladly lived the rest of my life without that "insight."
On an unrelated note, I am really sick and tired of the friggin Phillies.
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Post by PhillyHoya on Oct 20, 2009 11:23:27 GMT -5
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Post by HoyaFanNY on Oct 20, 2009 11:56:20 GMT -5
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Post by hoyarooter on Oct 20, 2009 13:14:26 GMT -5
I could have gladly lived the rest of my life without that "insight." On an unrelated note, I am really sick and tired of the friggin Phillies. Don't blame the Phillies, blame the mentally weak Jonathan Broxton. I've been watching the Dodgers all year, but I have to admit, I had no idea that the discrepancy between Broxton's home ERA and his road ERA was so enormous until I saw it flashed on the screen last night. 5.5 runs per game? A home field preference is understandable, but this is ridiculous. And he proved it last night by gagging against Stairs (I'm sure last year's playoff home run was on his mind) and Ruiz. He needs to develop a set, or he'll end up being another Tom Niedenfuer.
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Post by hifigator on Oct 20, 2009 14:02:11 GMT -5
yeah, good point rooter, but I have always hated the Phillies and the Mets. I'm a Braves fan, so what do you expect? Ironically, I've never really hated the Dodgers and actually pull for them generally, odd since I grew up with the Braves as an NL West team.
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Post by tlphoya on Oct 20, 2009 14:28:44 GMT -5
I'm a bit confused as to why the Yankees are using a 3 pitcher rotation. I get it because they want to have Sabathia for game 4 and a possible game 7 and Joba has been ok from the bullpen, but if they happen to advance to the World Series (which I'm really hoping they don't) would they keep it that way? It just seems like a quick fix and not sustainable? Can anyone enlighten me?
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HoyaFanNY
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Post by HoyaFanNY on Oct 20, 2009 14:45:17 GMT -5
as a reds fan, i don't have a dog in this fight, but i love the phillies. they are a fun team to watch and they don't have all the drama and aren't a bunch of editeds like a majority of the yankees.
girardi didn't want to start gaudin in the ALCS unless maybe they went ahead 3-0. jobu is a 7th inning guy now in this series. sabathia is the only one getting 3 days rest in the 3 man rotation, and he'll be on 4 days in a possible game 7. the off days allow burnett and pettitte 4 days rest. i disagree with a lot of stuff girardi does, but this isn't one of them.
as for the series, i imagine he'll go with 4, but who (jobu, gaudin)starts game 4 depends on what happened in games 1-3.
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Post by hoya95 on Oct 20, 2009 16:32:43 GMT -5
I'm not a big fan of overreacting to managerial moves in the playoffs, and we'll never know if he really cost them the game yesterday. (Though the last pitching change seemed full-on insane to me.) But my God, I have never seen anyone over-manage like Girardi. He is the king of the Mound Visit and the extra/unnecessary move. And it seemed like most of them backfired yesterday.
I'm sure it is pure coincidence that Guerrero hit the next pitch for a home run, but my jaw about hit the floor when I saw Girardi go out to personally tell Posada and Pettite what pitch to throw. You couldn't just send a sign? They've got close to 30 years experience between them! If he is micro-managing those two, I shudder to think what he's doing to everyone else. Would anyone want to spend seven months a year or one seven-game series with this guy? He's wound so tight he's going to explode.
They should win the World Series because they've got the best team and Mariano Rivera. But I can't imagine a 10 year tenure for Girardi no matter what.
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Oct 20, 2009 19:06:09 GMT -5
Girardi called a good game as a catcher, is an average manager at best, and will probably win plenty of WS titles with a super-talented team. Maybe the Dodgers should sign him now.
As for CC, I wouldn't start him, not because it's not the right call in a narrow sense (the 9 days in the ACLS allows this to work out) but because in the 8-day WS, do you want your fourth starter to be the guy you wouldn't give the ball to last week?
You have the best offense in baseball and a 2-1 lead. Why not give your 4th guy some confidence thinking ahead to WS?
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Post by 3xhoya on Oct 20, 2009 19:50:09 GMT -5
GIGA, I understand what you are saying, but in the playoffs you can not look ahead like that. You can worry about the World Series if you get there. This is actually a pretty important game for the Yankees tonight. If they were to lose the Angels would have a ton of momentum and there would be a very real possibility of going back to Yankee Stadium down 3-2. With the way the Yankees have been hitting (0 for their last 23 with runners in scoring position) you need to put your best out there.
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Oct 20, 2009 20:27:41 GMT -5
GIGA, I understand what you are saying, but in the playoffs you can not look ahead like that. You can worry about the World Series if you get there. This is actually a pretty important game for the Yankees tonight. If they were to lose the Angels would have a ton of momentum and there would be a very real possibility of going back to Yankee Stadium down 3-2. With the way the Yankees have been hitting (0 for their last 23 with runners in scoring position) you need to put your best out there. So if CC goes into game 5 tied 2-2 not even he can stop the momentum of having the series evened? Because that's the only way it goes back 3-2 even if your foregone conclusion that nobody else can win this game while the lineup tees off on the Scott Kazmir with an ERA near 5, not the one of the past few years. That's a little fearful sounding for the team with home field and the better team top to bottom. The Phillies have started 5 different guys in the playoffs and Cliff Lee only three times in 8 games. They don't seem to be afraid that everyone not named Cliff Lee is incompetent.
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Post by sweetness on Oct 20, 2009 20:40:22 GMT -5
That call on the Swisher tag play was an absolute joke -- ump was not even looking! I cannot believe how bad that was. A clear make-up call for the pick-off play at 2nd. How do you do a make-up call that blatant at this level & time of year? I didn't think I'd have to deal with that kind of robbery/incompetence until the Duke game in January.
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Post by TBird41 on Oct 20, 2009 20:47:56 GMT -5
That call on the Swisher tag play was an absolute joke -- ump was not even looking! I cannot believe how bad that was. A clear make-up call for the pick-off play at 2nd. How do you do a make-up call that blatant at this level & time of year? I didn't think I'd have to deal with that kind of robbery/incompetence until the Duke game in January. Yeah, no one feels bad for the Yankees.
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Post by Buckets on Oct 20, 2009 20:57:00 GMT -5
You know what's an absolute joke? The third base umpire not knowing the rules of baseball. If you are off the base and are tagged with the baseball, you are out. If this happens to two players, they are both out. I think this is a pretty simple one to get right.
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Post by 3xhoya on Oct 20, 2009 22:04:30 GMT -5
[/quote] So if CC goes into game 5 tied 2-2 not even he can stop the momentum of having the series evened? Because that's the only way it goes back 3-2 even if your foregone conclusion that nobody else can win this game while the lineup tees off on the Scott Kazmir with an ERA near 5, not the one of the past few years.
That's a little fearful sounding for the team with home field and the better team top to bottom. The Phillies have started 5 different guys in the playoffs and Cliff Lee only three times in 8 games. They don't seem to be afraid that everyone not named Cliff Lee is incompetent. [/quote]
Of course CC would have had a shot to stop the momentum of the Angels. However, CC is not your average pitcher as he has proved tonight. To close out the season last year CC was 2-1 with a 0.83 ERA in three starts on 3 days rest. He didn't do as well in the playoffs because at that point he was overworked. There was no reason to hold him back, especially after the bullpen session he allegedly had and the fact that Girardi purposely rested him the last month of the season to allow this. The only reason this was possible was because this series is being played over nine days so it allows the other pitchers to go on regular rest. Otherwise Gaudin would have been pitching tonight.
On a different note, the umps have been atrocious tonight. As if the calls on Swisher weren't bad enough, how did the ump miss BOTH players being off the bag?
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Post by Hank Scorpio on Oct 21, 2009 13:28:34 GMT -5
Chad Gaudin is not very good, and CC on 3 days rest is a better option given, with all the off days in the ALCS, he would be on full rest for a game 7 start.
If he can handle it, and I think he can given how the Yankees managed his workload down the stretch, I think they may pitch him 2x on 3 days rest in the World Series, depending on how things shake out after the first 3 games. Especially given that Game 4 will be sans DH. Same goes for Pettitte and Burnett, to be honest - Chad Gaudin is that middling.
Scenario 1: 1 Wednesday, October 28 NL @ AL 7:57 pm EDT - CC 2 Thursday, October 29 NL @ AL 7:57 pm EDT - Burnett 3 Saturday, October 31 AL @ NL 8:30 pm EDT - Pettitte 4 Sunday, November 1 AL @ NL 8:30 pm EST - CC on 3 days rest 5† Monday, November 2 AL @ NL 7:57 pm EST - Burnett - 3 days rest 6† Wednesday, November 4 NL @ AL 7:57 pm EST - Pettitte - 3 days rest 7† Thursday, November 5 NL @ AL 7:57 pm EST - CC on 3 days rest
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Scenario 2: 1 Wednesday, October 28 NL @ AL 7:57 pm EDT - CC 2 Thursday, October 29 NL @ AL 7:57 pm EDT - Burnett 3 Saturday, October 31 AL @ NL 8:30 pm EDT - Pettitte 4 Sunday, November 1 AL @ NL 8:30 pm EST - Gaudin 5† Monday, November 2 AL @ NL 7:57 pm EST - CC 6† Wednesday, November 4 NL @ AL 7:57 pm EST - Burnett 7† Thursday, November 5 NL @ AL 7:57 pm EST - Pettitte
There is no way Joba starts. At all.
Jorge Posada is always blamed for poor pitching by some of his detractors around these parts, but the Yankee staff ERA is sub-3.00 ERA this postseason. I suppose it's just pitchers making pitches when things go well...
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Post by njhoya06 on Oct 21, 2009 23:07:29 GMT -5
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Post by hifigator on Oct 22, 2009 1:52:03 GMT -5
I guess my only real "hope" is for a miracle comeback by the Angels.
Yankees-Phillies .... yuck!
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Post by Boz on Oct 22, 2009 8:38:18 GMT -5
You could just ignore the World Series, like I do every year.
Wait, don't boo. I actually have something substantive to say.
And that something is.....the 2-3-2 format for a seven game series is stupid! Stupid, stupid, stupid.
There, I said it.
Please resume your discussion of which city and its fans are more vile: Philadelphia or New York.
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Post by hifigator on Oct 22, 2009 10:54:57 GMT -5
You could just ignore the World Series, like I do every year. Wait, don't boo. I actually have something substantive to say. And that something is.....the 2-3-2 format for a seven game series is stupid! Stupid, stupid, stupid. There, I said it. Please resume your discussion of which city and its fans are more vile: Philadelphia or New York. That's easy: Philly residents think their sh!t don't stink. Yankees, think their sh!t has a pleasant sweet smell.
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