skyhoya
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Post by skyhoya on Mar 8, 2009 14:04:08 GMT -5
Losing Rilery is big, but Henry hurts worse
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Post by krukster201 on Mar 8, 2009 14:35:14 GMT -5
I would think Henry knew coming in that his PT would depend on how he performed in practice and My though is he didnt have the offense in full grip , but came along during the season ... it would be terrible if we lost him (being a local) , but I think he likes being here and is aware he is capable of getting run if he works on his game .. Henry's problem is he wants to sit outside and shoot three's .. he's more of a face-up big .... he has to realize that with his height , he needs to focus on mixing it up alittle as well .. thats what will make him an all-around player .. I think the future is bright for Henry .. I don't see why he'd leave ... sit-out a yr and start all over ... all he has to do is work non-stop this summer and come in next yr with the attitude like "THIS IS MY TIME TO SHOW WHAT I'M MADE OF" but what do I know?
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SirSaxa
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Post by SirSaxa on Mar 8, 2009 14:48:02 GMT -5
I would think Henry knew coming in that his PT would depend on how he performed in practice and My though is he didnt have the offense in full grip , but came along during the season ... it would be terrible if we lost him (being a local) , but I think he likes being here and is aware he is capable of getting run if he works on his game .. Henry's problem is he wants to sit outside and shoot three's .. he's more of a face-up big .... he has to realize that with his height , he needs to focus on mixing it up alittle as well .. thats what will make him an all-around player .. I think the future is bright for Henry .. I don't see why he'd leave ... sit-out a yr and start all over ... all he has to do is work non-stop this summer and come in next yr with the attitude like "THIS IS MY TIME TO SHOW WHAT I'M MADE OF" but what do I know? Actually, Krukster, I think you know quite a lot. That advice is right on the money. I will remain optimistic that he wants to be part of the turn around, part of the solution. This team has tremendous talent and strengths. OK, a few weaknesses too.. but who doesn't? If they stay together, and add a couple pieces, our Hoyas can be right back in it next year!
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jgalt
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Post by jgalt on Mar 8, 2009 18:24:34 GMT -5
all he has to do is work non-stop this summer and come in next yr with the attitude like "THIS IS MY TIME TO SHOW WHAT I'M MADE OF" That is what roy did and we know how well that worked for him. The best part for henry is that in many ways he is ahead of where roy was after his freshman year.
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idhoya
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Post by idhoya on Mar 9, 2009 10:30:10 GMT -5
Ahead of Roy, but a different player. Roy was never a face up dude.
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NCHoya
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Post by NCHoya on Mar 9, 2009 11:20:46 GMT -5
If any player left after one year due to playing time that would tell us all we would need to know about his commitment to being a Georgetown Hoya. At some point that has to mean something to these guys. Highly touted recruits or not, the name on the front of the jersey should mean more to us than the back. If someone left after one year because of playing time, good riddance.
This is not directed at anyone in particular just an opposing view that transfers are always a bad thing. JT3 did his best work with guys committed to being 3-4 year players that WANTED to be Hoyas, if we have guys on this roster that do not, then I wish them farewell.
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idhoya
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Post by idhoya on Mar 9, 2009 12:09:46 GMT -5
Wishing them farewell or not, it is still detrimental to the program. In this day and age you have to have one & done type talent or you become mediocre like the A-10. I'm not saying you have to have one and dones all over the roster, but that type of talent needs to be there. Those types and the success of the program is what brings other high major kids in. Like it or not. That being said, you also need role types to fill things out. The prob with Pops at the end and Esh during his tenure was he had role types that were counted on to be high majors. They weren't that caliber of player. Trez, Rhese, Day Jack, Eric Myles, insert others here, should have been complimentary and nothing more. That's why you have to recruit years in advance. Imo.
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NCHoya
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Post by NCHoya on Mar 9, 2009 14:18:17 GMT -5
Wishing them farewell or not, it is still detrimental to the program. In this day and age you have to have one & done type talent or you become mediocre like the A-10. I'm not saying you have to have one and dones all over the roster, but that type of talent needs to be there. Those types and the success of the program is what brings other high major kids in. Like it or not. That being said, you also need role types to fill things out. The prob with Pops at the end and Esh during his tenure was he had role types that were counted on to be high majors. They weren't that caliber of player. Trez, Rhese, Day Jack, Eric Myles, insert others here, should have been complimentary and nothing more. That's why you have to recruit years in advance. Imo. I hope I did not sound like I am against recruiting 1 & Dones. Monroe being our current one and done possibility, I have no problem with him leaving for a professional career. To me, making millions is a good reason to move on from Georgetown. I also agree you need this caliber of recruit to compete. I just get a little irritated that everyone thinks JT3 should bend over backwards for every "elite" recruit that comes to Georgetown. JT3 has a history of starting (not just playing) freshman. So if a kid does not play his first year and cannot be patient and improve to play at Georgetown than I say good riddance to them. We should not be in the business of feeling some sort of pressure to play a kid because of his star rating on Rivals or his threat to transfer. Again, it needs to mean something to play at Georgetown. UNC, Duke run their programs like family and the Hoyas are no different. Monroe actually came to Georgetown for that exact reason, JT3 promised him nothing but improvement. As many guys that we can get with that attitude, the result on the court will take care of itself. If all we get are me-first guys who are basically mercenaries, we will get what we deserve, mixed results with very little continuity from one year to the next.
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jgalt
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Post by jgalt on Mar 9, 2009 14:46:15 GMT -5
Ahead of Roy, but a different player. Roy was never a face up dude. Oh yeah most definately, but the attitude that Roy had towards working hard and getting in better shape would make Henry a very lethal 4/5.
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Post by jyd on Mar 9, 2009 16:45:42 GMT -5
just get a couple of guys who rebound like men and we will be fine. we would have won 5 more games this year if we had that.
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Post by HometownHoya on Mar 9, 2009 17:51:55 GMT -5
just get a couple of guys who rebound like men and we will be fine. we would have won 5 more games this year if we had that. Its really not even about GETTING a couple of guys who rebound like men...its more of turning our 17-20 yr old Freshman and Sophs INTO men that can compete with the best of the BIG EAST. Very few HS Srs. have the bulk and muscle to compete physically from day one.
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CAHoya07
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Post by CAHoya07 on Mar 10, 2009 8:59:47 GMT -5
Edited. Avoid scholarship speculation--Admin That's exactly the wrong mentality. We need players like Sims to stay and develop. We would have been well-served this year if Macklin and/or Rivers had stayed. You can't just recruit talent, you have to recruit guys that are committed to the system, as this year's performance so far shows.
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idhoya
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Post by idhoya on Mar 10, 2009 9:03:20 GMT -5
Its about attitude first. Perry Mc had it at 6'4.
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prhoya
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Post by prhoya on Mar 10, 2009 11:26:07 GMT -5
I agree, it's about attitude and Perry is the poster child. The question is whether JT3 can teach it to the kids we have on the team now. Lets start by showing the kids some Perry videos.
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idhoya
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Post by idhoya on Mar 10, 2009 13:16:22 GMT -5
Why should you have to teach a 6'8, 240, 6'10, 250 and 6'11, 240 how to rebound? Hell, they the biggest guys on the floor!
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prhoya
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Post by prhoya on Mar 10, 2009 13:46:58 GMT -5
I meant the attitude.
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idhoya
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Post by idhoya on Mar 10, 2009 14:54:33 GMT -5
So did I.
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SirSaxa
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Post by SirSaxa on Mar 10, 2009 18:24:47 GMT -5
We need to recruit some Hoyas.
I mean REAL Hoyas....like Big Roy, Jeff, and Pat Jr., but also like JYD, Boubacar, Jahidi, Don Reid, some big TOUGH guys who can control the lane. Who can intimidate the other guys. Who can protect Greg Monroe. Who can make sure we control our defensive boards.
And our current and incoming guys need to hit the weight room and the cardio room... run.. get in the best shape of their lives.
But... I do think this team and this coaching staff can get it turned around.... next year. At any rate, I certainly HOPE so!
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Post by gtowndynasty on Mar 10, 2009 20:37:15 GMT -5
I for one dont think that Dajuan and Greg staying would mean that Sims would have limited minutes. IMHO, we are too small. I could see, but it depends on Henry and how much he works this summer, inserting Sims into the starting lineup and moving Dajuan to the 3, his natural position. If I were coach i would ideally look at next years Hoyas like this. Now this is assuming we get no defections or transers and we land Vee and Williams.
5-Monroe/Vaughn 4-Sims/Williams 3-Summers/Thompson/Nikita 2-Clark/Freeman/Wattad or Freeman/Clark/Wattad 1-Wright/Sanford
*This would be a young team, but plenty depth and size. JT3 would have to do a better job rationing minutes and allowing players to develop on the court though. This would be ideal for us and would have us competing for a national title.
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royski
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Post by royski on Mar 10, 2009 20:49:39 GMT -5
If everyone stays, and we don't gain any more new recruits, we lose Sapp and gain Hollis. Sapp played 25.2 minutes per game this season. I don't see why 10 of those couldn't shift to Sims, making him a 20 mpg player.
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