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Post by jerseyhoya34 on May 21, 2009 15:31:41 GMT -5
Is it just me or does recruiting become stranger every year? This list of goons and goblins is longer every year.
Two years ago, Lance Stephenson was Lance Thomas in terms of public perceptions, now he might be better compared to Harvey Thomas.
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Post by jkhoya12 on May 21, 2009 15:43:56 GMT -5
Not a rant by my standards but seriously, explain it to me. well, you were the one who called it a rant. So, here are the facts: 1. Latavious has not gotten his scores back yet. 2. Before a student athlete gets his test scores any visit is an unofficial visit which are paid for on the player's own dime. 3. Latavious goes to school in Texas, resides in Mississippi and yet has taken the time and cost to take 2 unofficial visits to GTOWN, 1 to FIU, and Zero to Memphis 4. Latavious is quoted as saying he will ONLY visit Memphis if Memphis pays for the visit. seems like Latavious likes one of these schools more than the other. I never said Latavious won't come here and I was calling my own post a rant, I'm saying yours wasn't haha. Based on those facts I completely agree with you, and I've always been of that opinion despite the fact that I've just read the Latavious thread mostly, and laughed at some of the fun posts. I guess I'm just flustered because I agree with you and yet Latavious is coming out and saying that Memphis is leading and that he wants to play with Lance. However, you can't deny that we were on many of these kids that just seem to be waiting for a UNC offer(not Roscoe because I believe he realizes he's not going to get it and he seems to be taking his time). Will Barton was barely getting recruited by Cal at either Memphis or Kentucky when we first got on him and now he's a Kentucky lock. Not saying we were the first to start recruiting him, and also not saying I agree with him being a Kentucky lock, but the fact that that opinion is out there is disturbing to me. Grae, I always enjoy reading your posts and you provide a great deal of info to this site.
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Post by tpk3 on May 21, 2009 16:02:35 GMT -5
i wrote in some other thread (Will Barton thread) about Will Barton's academics and how that has affected GTOWN's recruitment of him.
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Post by hoyarooter on May 21, 2009 19:17:42 GMT -5
i wrote in some other thread (Will Barton thread) about Will Barton's academics and how that has affected GTOWN's recruitment of him. Why would you put information on Will Barton in a Will Barton thread? Everyone knows that this thread is now the outpost for comments on all recruits. I think we should just trash all of the other player threads, and rename this thread "09-10 Recruits."
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Post by Highsmith on May 21, 2009 21:48:45 GMT -5
or that Houston has a crappy player in the past named Elvin Hayes......=/...that played some famous game Thank you for beating me to the punch. I wasn't born during that era but I do know of Houston's history with Elvin Hayes and the classic games the program had against UCLA. People need to study up on their hoops history. There's a few posts about this referring to my response to Pope. I believe his point (although it is sometimes hard to tell since he often changes it) had to do with high draft picks coming from high major CONFERENCES......he mentioned nothing about the quality or history of team. I am well aware of the history of Houston having some great teams and players in the past. I am also well aware of the fame David Robinson achieved. However, unless I am mistaken about Houston (which if I am, I will take the blame there), neither Navy nor the University of Houston are or were in high major conferences. If the point was that high draft picks only came from successful programs, then clearly Houston would be out of the discussion when talking about the Olajuwon era and before. However, the discussion was about conferences.......not teams. I know this discussion is over, but I just read all the responses to what I posted and needed to clarify. Again, if Houston was in a conference that was considered a high major at the time Olajuwon, etc. were there, then I clearly goofed.......however, despite the fact David Robinson was on 60 Minutes, he still played for Navy in a low level conference. If you take away all the great players on teams from lower level conferences because they were famous and great.......that is a pretty strange way to make a case for what you are saying. How about Adonal Foyle? He was drafted #8 overall out of Colgate.......did he make an appearance on The View so he doesn't count either? Despite a long career in the league, I don't think anyone could make a very good argument that he has earned that #8 pick......especially since Tracy McGrady was taken #9 that year. No one knows where anyone would be drafted if they had played for a different team. However, I think there is plenty of evidence that players from conferences of all levels can get drafted high if they are good enough.......or at least thought to be good enough. If nothing else, I guess this is another post to add to the page totals.....sorry to be so late in responding, but topics change pretty quick in this thread!!
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Post by HoyaChris on May 22, 2009 4:28:50 GMT -5
Thank you for beating me to the punch. I wasn't born during that era but I do know of Houston's history with Elvin Hayes and the classic games the program had against UCLA. People need to study up on their hoops history. There's a few posts about this referring to my response to Pope. I believe his point (although it is sometimes hard to tell since he often changes it) had to do with high draft picks coming from high major CONFERENCES......he mentioned nothing about the quality or history of team. I am well aware of the history of Houston having some great teams and players in the past. I am also well aware of the fame David Robinson achieved. However, unless I am mistaken about Houston (which if I am, I will take the blame there), neither Navy nor the University of Houston are or were in high major conferences. If the point was that high draft picks only came from successful programs, then clearly Houston would be out of the discussion when talking about the Olajuwon era and before. However, the discussion was about conferences.......not teams. I know this discussion is over, but I just read all the responses to what I posted and needed to clarify. Again, if Houston was in a conference that was considered a high major at the time Olajuwon, etc. were there, then I clearly goofed.......however, despite the fact David Robinson was on 60 Minutes, he still played for Navy in a low level conference. If you take away all the great players on teams from lower level conferences because they were famous and great.......that is a pretty strange way to make a case for what you are saying. How about Adonal Foyle? He was drafted #8 overall out of Colgate.......did he make an appearance on The View so he doesn't count either? Despite a long career in the league, I don't think anyone could make a very good argument that he has earned that #8 pick......especially since Tracy McGrady was taken #9 that year. No one knows where anyone would be drafted if they had played for a different team. However, I think there is plenty of evidence that players from conferences of all levels can get drafted high if they are good enough.......or at least thought to be good enough. If nothing else, I guess this is another post to add to the page totals.....sorry to be so late in responding, but topics change pretty quick in this thread!! The Olajuwon Houston teams played in the since broken up Southwest conference along with (among others) Texas, Texas A&M and SMU. It was definitely a high major conference although most of its schools were better known for their football programs.
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Post by HoyaSox04 on May 22, 2009 7:28:40 GMT -5
Is it just me or does recruiting become stranger every year? This list of goons and goblins is longer every year. Two years ago, Lance Stephenson was Lance Thomas in terms of public perceptions, now he might be better compared to Harvey Thomas. Blame the influence of the AAU culture. And World Wide Wes. And George Bush. Ok, 2 out of 3.
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Post by Highsmith on May 22, 2009 8:51:39 GMT -5
There's a few posts about this referring to my response to Pope. I believe his point (although it is sometimes hard to tell since he often changes it) had to do with high draft picks coming from high major CONFERENCES......he mentioned nothing about the quality or history of team. I am well aware of the history of Houston having some great teams and players in the past. I am also well aware of the fame David Robinson achieved. However, unless I am mistaken about Houston (which if I am, I will take the blame there), neither Navy nor the University of Houston are or were in high major conferences. If the point was that high draft picks only came from successful programs, then clearly Houston would be out of the discussion when talking about the Olajuwon era and before. However, the discussion was about conferences.......not teams. I know this discussion is over, but I just read all the responses to what I posted and needed to clarify. Again, if Houston was in a conference that was considered a high major at the time Olajuwon, etc. were there, then I clearly goofed.......however, despite the fact David Robinson was on 60 Minutes, he still played for Navy in a low level conference. If you take away all the great players on teams from lower level conferences because they were famous and great.......that is a pretty strange way to make a case for what you are saying. How about Adonal Foyle? He was drafted #8 overall out of Colgate.......did he make an appearance on The View so he doesn't count either? Despite a long career in the league, I don't think anyone could make a very good argument that he has earned that #8 pick......especially since Tracy McGrady was taken #9 that year. No one knows where anyone would be drafted if they had played for a different team. However, I think there is plenty of evidence that players from conferences of all levels can get drafted high if they are good enough.......or at least thought to be good enough. If nothing else, I guess this is another post to add to the page totals.....sorry to be so late in responding, but topics change pretty quick in this thread!! The Olajuwon Houston teams played in the since broken up Southwest conference along with (among others) Texas, Texas A&M and SMU. It was definitely a high major conference although most of its schools were better known for their football programs. That's what I remembered.......the conference wasn't that big for basketball but was for football. I wasn't positive though.
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Post by PopeJohn2 on May 22, 2009 9:09:17 GMT -5
unless he signs we are so not getting to 50
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Post by FrazierFanatic on May 22, 2009 9:24:43 GMT -5
unless he signs we are so not getting to 50 Ah ye of little faith - if he signs with Memphis, this board would be good for AT LEAST 6 pages of ranting about how he stinks and would not have helped us anyway, how we are now doomed for next season, how much memphis must have paid for him, the demise of our recruiting success, etc.
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Post by kghoya on May 22, 2009 9:36:47 GMT -5
unless he signs we are so not getting to 50 Ah ye of little faith - if he signs with Memphis, this board would be good for AT LEAST 6 pages of ranting about how he stinks and would not have helped us anyway, how we are now doomed for next season, how much memphis must have paid for him, the demise of our recruiting success, etc. Eh, I think enough people in the know have pretty much laid it out for everybody else about how this recruitment has gone. I would hope that board regulars have picked up on which posters have more insight into the program as opposed to most of us that just say whatever pops into our heads. That being said...50 can be easily had.
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Post by HeartAttackHoya on May 22, 2009 9:36:59 GMT -5
There's a few posts about this referring to my response to Pope. I believe his point (although it is sometimes hard to tell since he often changes it) had to do with high draft picks coming from high major CONFERENCES......he mentioned nothing about the quality or history of team. I am well aware of the history of Houston having some great teams and players in the past. I am also well aware of the fame David Robinson achieved. However, unless I am mistaken about Houston (which if I am, I will take the blame there), neither Navy nor the University of Houston are or were in high major conferences. If the point was that high draft picks only came from successful programs, then clearly Houston would be out of the discussion when talking about the Olajuwon era and before. However, the discussion was about conferences.......not teams. I know this discussion is over, but I just read all the responses to what I posted and needed to clarify. Again, if Houston was in a conference that was considered a high major at the time Olajuwon, etc. were there, then I clearly goofed.......however, despite the fact David Robinson was on 60 Minutes, he still played for Navy in a low level conference. If you take away all the great players on teams from lower level conferences because they were famous and great.......that is a pretty strange way to make a case for what you are saying. How about Adonal Foyle? He was drafted #8 overall out of Colgate.......did he make an appearance on The View so he doesn't count either? Despite a long career in the league, I don't think anyone could make a very good argument that he has earned that #8 pick......especially since Tracy McGrady was taken #9 that year. No one knows where anyone would be drafted if they had played for a different team. However, I think there is plenty of evidence that players from conferences of all levels can get drafted high if they are good enough.......or at least thought to be good enough. If nothing else, I guess this is another post to add to the page totals.....sorry to be so late in responding, but topics change pretty quick in this thread!! The Olajuwon Houston teams played in the since broken up Southwest conference along with (among others) Texas, Texas A&M and SMU. It was definitely a high major conference although most of its schools were better known for their football programs. Arkansas fielded some pretty good basketball teams as well but I agree this was foremost a football conference.
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Post by hoyarooter on May 22, 2009 12:05:37 GMT -5
A conference being a "football conference" doesn't mean that it isn't a major basketball conference. After all, the SEC is clearly a football conference, and, while down the last year or two, it has certainly had many strong basketball teams (and no, hifi, you needn't jump in now).
I don't think this post really added anything to the discussion, but I just wanted to move things along. I agree that 50 is easily reachable.
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Post by PopeJohn2 on May 22, 2009 14:37:25 GMT -5
We need 128 more posts. I just can't see it getting there cuz everyone has said their peace on this matter unless something unexpected happens.
But in other news
1. I think it was an abomination to start a new thread to discuss why basketball programs decline. That discussion clearly belonged in this thread. It cost us about a page.
2. I think we should be get rid of hoyatalk entirely and just rename it latavious williams 09. No more individual threads. It all belongs in a thread like this stream of consciousness.
3. All those that claim "true insight" into the program is that inside information or just ur analysis of tea leaves.
4. And to those with insight how can u say gtown didn't want williams any longer. R u saying he made a visit to sell us on him? Why wud we waste his time and $$$ if we didn't want him? I don't think iii would do that to a kid.
5. If we don't take williams if we have the option then that will be almost as bad as passing on mcclain in 06. Almost.
6. Talking about mcclain, we really need a center in 2010. R we on any?
7. Richard gere and laura linney look ridiculous in cop uniforms. I mean can u think of any people more uncop like? Who cast them in that movie?
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Post by williambraskyiii on May 22, 2009 14:40:32 GMT -5
We need 128 more posts. I just can't see it getting there cuz everyone has said their peace on this matter unless something unexpected happens. But in other news 1. I think it was an abomination to start a new thread to discuss why basketball programs decline. That discussion clearly belonged in this thread. It cost us about a page. 2. I think we should be get rid of hoyatalk entirely and just rename it latavious williams 09. No more individual threads. It all belongs in a thread like this stream of consciousness. 3. All those that claim "true insight" into the program is that inside information or just ur analysis of tea leaves. 4. And to those with insight how can u say gtown didn't want williams any longer. R u saying he made a visit to sell us on him? Why wud we waste his time and $$$ if we didn't want him? I don't think iii would do that to a kid. 5. If we don't take williams if we have the option then that will be almost as bad as passing on mcclain in 06. Almost. 6. Talking about mcclain, we really need a center in 2010. R we on any? 7. Richard gere and laura linney look ridiculous in cop uniforms. I mean can u think of any people more uncop like? Who cast them in that movie? is biggie mcclain your little bro? why are you all over his jock? he avg'ed like 2pts, 3 bds last season. move on...
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Post by hoyarooter on May 22, 2009 20:30:36 GMT -5
I like Laura Linney. Heck, she gave the president a heart attack in Dave.
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Post by kghoya on May 22, 2009 21:08:15 GMT -5
i think its funny to watch jj try and guard king james for even a nano second
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Post by mjvw76 on May 23, 2009 10:57:55 GMT -5
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Post by royski on May 23, 2009 15:52:15 GMT -5
i think its funny to watch jj try and guard king james for even a nano second JJ is obviously no Latavious, who I would expect to lock down LeBron. There's a fair amount of off topic discussion going on in this thread. If it's not specific to the recruit, don't post it here, otherwise it'll be locked.--Admin
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Post by patrickchewing on May 23, 2009 23:37:29 GMT -5
Well, unless I am mistaken, Latavious has 2 days left to commit somewhere.
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