alleninxis
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Post by alleninxis on Feb 7, 2009 20:53:20 GMT -5
On Chris,
I haven't been a huge fan, but I find little room to criticize him today.
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royski
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Post by royski on Feb 7, 2009 20:55:16 GMT -5
On Chris, I haven't been a huge fan, but I find little room to criticize him today. He played a decent game overall, but that last possession was awful. And like it or not, players are judged for how they perform with the game on the line. Today, he failed.
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Post by skyhoya on Feb 7, 2009 21:41:51 GMT -5
I was just wtching college gameday. The comment was that Georgetown looks like an NBA team in late April that has no chance of making the playoffs and the players show it."
OUCH!!!!! Who said that?
Hubert Davis
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guru
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Post by guru on Feb 7, 2009 21:42:51 GMT -5
this game was devastating. this SEASON has been devastating - a total lost cause. It's like the players have checked out. I honestly think we'll be faced with having to win a game in the BET to make the NIT. With our talent, that's simply a disaster.
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Post by gburyhoya on Feb 7, 2009 22:21:38 GMT -5
After attending the game and watching the replay on SNY I have to admit John Cahill and Brian O'Connell are two of the worst officials in the Big East. Not making any excuses for today's loss because the team has no one to blame but themselves for blowing a 12 pt. lead and missing crucial free throws down the stretch. But those two guys are just rediculous. Monroe clearly got hammered late in regulation and the last play of the game with Freeman or the bump Monore received in the paint. Something should have been called. ![>:(](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/angry.png)
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Post by RusskyHoya on Feb 7, 2009 22:30:41 GMT -5
This will go down as the straw that broke the camel's back. Everything achieved from here on out is simply a bonus on top of a seaosn-long learning experience (with a few really sweet wins over Memphis, UConn, and Cuse mixed in, to be sure)
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Post by yunghoya on Feb 7, 2009 23:15:45 GMT -5
we need to have more shots from the elbow... greg has so much room outside.. the teams we face give him all the room in the world from the foul line to the three he should do some pull up jumpers instead of driving to the hoop all the time. We have to many people set up along the arc. no wonder we dont get offensive rebounds.
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Post by hifigator on Feb 8, 2009 0:11:07 GMT -5
I didn't get to see most of the game. Down here, the feed was of Syracuse-Villanova. They did cut away to the Hoya game with about 45 seconds left in regulation, since the Nova-Cuse game was basically "decided." Of course, the GU game went into overtime. Meanwhile, Nova's lead was trimmed to 11. Even though it never really got tight, the feed stayed on the Cuse game until the end. By the time they cut back to overtime at the MCI, there were only 12+ seconds left. We all know how that turned out -- terrible coverage .... terrible outcome ... and from what I hear, terrible play and terrible officiating to boot.
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Post by daytonahoya31 on Feb 8, 2009 0:18:06 GMT -5
chris wright takes too much abuse. when he develops into a great player next season I don't want to see any of these people here riding his jock. He made a mistake on the last possession, other than that he did fine. He created offense, he got people shots. I've watched every single game but two this season, and Chris is very talented and needs to develop. The crap he gets on this board infuriates me when there are other players that deserve the criticism he gets.
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Post by professorhoya on Feb 8, 2009 0:26:35 GMT -5
I thought we were doing fine till we brought in that unit that evaporated the lead. You could just see that that was going to happen because they were playing like the game was already over.
It just seems like there's some kind of internal turmoil among some of the starters.
Freeman has really regressed from last year. He seems to have little lift or speed this year compared to last.
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Post by daytonahoya31 on Feb 8, 2009 0:31:05 GMT -5
on the topic of Jessie Sapp...
Coach said he was neither sick, nor hurt, but that his benching was a "coaches decision".
Take it for what it's worth
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Post by professorhoya on Feb 8, 2009 0:36:56 GMT -5
on the topic of Jessie Sapp... Coach said he was neither sick, nor hurt, but that his benching was a "coaches decision". Take it for what it's worth The Jessie situation is just sad to me. You would think a Veteran Senior who has had 4 years with JT3's system would be one of the studs on this years team. Instead he's being supplanted by a sophomore (Wright) and a freshman who makes too many rookie mistakes (Clark). I just don't see how he can be this bad (when he used to be one of the teams better players) unless there is something going on. His NBA stock is completely disintegrating and he's not even getting PT as a senior compared to his previous years. There was a point last year where I detected some kind of lockerroom type problem between JT3 and Sapp. Can't remember which game it was but it was sometime in January.
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Post by sleepy on Feb 8, 2009 0:57:17 GMT -5
chris wright takes too much abuse. when he develops into a great player next season I don't want to see any of these people here riding his jock. He made a mistake on the last possession, other than that he did fine. He created offense, he got people shots. I've watched every single game but two this season, and Chris is very talented and needs to develop. The crap he gets on this board infuriates me when there are other players that deserve the criticism he gets. I agree 100%. It's not as if he doesn't deserve any critisim, its just the amount he gets on this board is absolutly ridiculous. It's completely over the top. He never gets praised for any of the good things he does if he makes a few mistakes. Other players, however, everyone seems to enjoy overlooking the huge mistakes they made and only focusing on their positive contributions. It is crazy. Also Chris's problem on that last play was that he wasn't agressive enough, with either passing, or atleast attempting a drive when it broke down. Something many on this board have been calling for. Becareful what you wish for I guess. Re: turmoil between the starters, I saw absolutly nothing to indicate any turmoil between the ones that played today. I saw them working together, talking, and playing as a team. That is just a weak excuse for a team that isn't playing up to its capabilities. Re: Next and future years: Everyone that is concerned with us never getting better in future years, needs to take a look at past college seasons. The 07 Uconn team was much worse than we are, just as young, didn't make the NIT that year, and almosted missed the BET. Two years later they are the #1 team in the country. There are many more examples that I don't feel like looking up. But the lesson is a young team, basically replacing 7 players from the year before are going to struggle no matter how talented they are. To think they aren't going to get better next year is ridiculous. Not only would a year and offseason together, adding no new players(good for chemistry reasons) improve them greatly, but they are also going to be facing weaker competition next year. People who think this team has given up/playing like their season is over obviously didn't watch the game. They fought, whether they fought well is a different story, but they did give it their all. That last defensive possession was all grit and toughness. The problem they were scared on offense. Stop worrying about next year and beyond, there is still a month left in this season. You never know, we could win the BET then make a george mason like run to the final four, get a good draw in the final four and win the whole thing! Thats right, after the most crushing loss of the season, that basically elimnates us from the tournament, I just predicted we win the NCAA championship. ;D
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Post by DanMcQ on Feb 8, 2009 0:58:58 GMT -5
From Barker Davis' game article:
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Post by professorhoya on Feb 8, 2009 1:03:03 GMT -5
I agree 100%. It's not as if he doesn't deserve any critisim, its just the amount he gets on this board is absolutly ridiculous. It's completely over the top. He never gets praised for any of the good things he does if he makes a few mistakes. Other players, however, everyone seems to enjoy overlooking the huge mistakes they made and only focusing on their positive contributions. It is crazy. Also Chris's problem on that last play was that he wasn't agressive enough, with either passing, or atleast attempting a drive when it broke down. Something many on this board have been calling for. Becareful what you wish for I guess. Re: turmoil between the starters, I saw absolutly nothing to indicate any turmoil between the ones that played today. I saw them working together, talking, and playing as a team. That is just a weak excuse for a team that isn't playing up to its capabilities. When your starter is benched for the entire game because of a coaches decision that sounds like some kind of turmoil is going on. I've seen this kind of scenario too many times. Something is going on. As far as Chris Wright, he's a Travis Best type player. Great quick scorer, with that extra gear. When he's on he will win you games but when he's off he's going to be accused of dribbling the ball too much. That was always the biggest criticism of Travis Best, that he would sit there on the perimeter and take too many dribbles (always looking to drive) instead of passing the ball.
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Post by professorhoya on Feb 8, 2009 1:05:06 GMT -5
From Barker Davis' game article: Yes, but that wouldn't explain why only Sapp was benched for the majority of the game. Something's wrong with Sapp, he hasn't looked good all season, even when we were beating UConn, Cuse and playing with Dook (Before Cahill's T)
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Post by yunghoya on Feb 8, 2009 1:42:21 GMT -5
since the syracuse game chris is 3-19 from 3.. i know he's getting bashed on a lot.. but i give him credit for having some nice dishes today
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sleepy
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Post by sleepy on Feb 8, 2009 2:10:16 GMT -5
I agree 100%. It's not as if he doesn't deserve any critisim, its just the amount he gets on this board is absolutly ridiculous. It's completely over the top. He never gets praised for any of the good things he does if he makes a few mistakes. Other players, however, everyone seems to enjoy overlooking the huge mistakes they made and only focusing on their positive contributions. It is crazy. Also Chris's problem on that last play was that he wasn't agressive enough, with either passing, or atleast attempting a drive when it broke down. Something many on this board have been calling for. Becareful what you wish for I guess. Re: turmoil between the starters, I saw absolutly nothing to indicate any turmoil between the ones that played today. I saw them working together, talking, and playing as a team. That is just a weak excuse for a team that isn't playing up to its capabilities. When your starter is benched for the entire game because of a coaches decision that sounds like some kind of turmoil is going on. I've seen this kind of scenario too many times. Something is going on. As far as Chris Wright, he's a Travis Best type player. Great quick scorer, with that extra gear. When he's on he will win you games but when he's off he's going to be accused of dribbling the ball too much. That was always the biggest criticism of Travis Best, that he would sit there on the perimeter and take too many dribbles (always looking to drive) instead of passing the ball. Apparently you missed the "from the starters that played".
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Post by blueandgray on Feb 8, 2009 3:57:49 GMT -5
Wallace and the "system" were a great fit in part because there is a cerebral component to running it and making the right decirions along the way. Jon's a super bright kid who caught onto the system quickly and had other guys like Cook to show him the way. Wright on the otherhand is often accussed of "dribbling too much" ... I just think its another way of saying he is really struggling running the offense, getting into a flow and making the right decisions. I was hoping that a year with Jon would really help Chris pick up the intricacies of the offense....it doesn't seem it has however. Chris looks most comfortable when running the break...but his halfcourt game is really suffering.
In the 30 plus games that Chris has played...there are 4 or 5 really stand out as strong performances where he displays the leadership skills needed to run this team at a high level. Over his next 30 games, this ratio needs to increase dramatically if this years or next years team wants to be competative.
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Post by hoyaheaven on Feb 8, 2009 7:36:57 GMT -5
In '09 the THING is not scoring, wining, or toughness. The THING is the P offense...the system, the system, the system...damn the GAME...as if maybe these coaches know only one system. And don't harken to the past...an off year is an off year...but this is a DISASTER...and that puts the onus on the coach.
There is no next year in a winners mentality...
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