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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Jan 4, 2009 19:58:31 GMT -5
how far does UNC drop after losing to an unranked BC at home? Seeing as they're god's gift to basketball they'll probably be #2 but where should they be. Obviously pitt should be #1 who's #2? Duke? Eww. Does Wake jump everyone on the strength of the win @ BYU and their undefeated record?
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Post by 98hoya on Jan 4, 2009 20:03:24 GMT -5
no time to dwell on that.....move on. ignore the rankings, i care about W's. Right, that's a much more objective standard...oh, wait, no it's not.
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Post by GUJook97 on Jan 4, 2009 20:07:09 GMT -5
IMO, in both polls, Pitt, Duke (assuming they dont lose either), UNC, Wake.
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Post by washingtonhoya on Jan 4, 2009 20:29:32 GMT -5
no time to dwell on that.....move on. ignore the rankings, i care about W's. Right, that's a much more objective standard...oh, wait, no it's not. Yeah, how dare we look at what happens on the court, rather than what happens in the minds of a bunch of sportswriters that are actively watching at most a quarter of the games played, and a bunch of disinterested SIDs/any poll where Jim Boeheim's opinion matters? Polls are immaterial at this point.
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Post by jkhoya12 on Jan 4, 2009 20:35:59 GMT -5
no time to dwell on that.....move on. ignore the rankings, i care about W's. Right, that's a much more objective standard...oh, wait, no it's not. standings in the big east are pretty objective i would say.....
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Post by Coast2CoastHoya on Jan 4, 2009 20:52:30 GMT -5
Hard to say if we'll ascend or descend from our current 8/11 slots. I'd say we drop to 10 in the Coaches and move up to 8 in the AP because that's the kind of arbitrary movements one might expect from the polls. Interesting that we're still #1 on kenpom. Down to #11 on realtimeRPI, #6 on Sagarin (which has not been updated for today's games).
2-1 in the Big East is what I'm really hoping to see by this time tomorrow night.
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Post by 98hoya on Jan 4, 2009 20:53:49 GMT -5
Right, that's a much more objective standard...oh, wait, no it's not. standings in the big east are pretty objective i would say..... True. And totally meaningless.
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Post by The Stig on Jan 4, 2009 20:58:04 GMT -5
Meaningless at this point, but come March every win will matter.
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Post by jkhoya12 on Jan 4, 2009 21:25:34 GMT -5
standings in the big east are pretty objective i would say..... True. And totally meaningless. right because they don't determine who gets an automatic bid, a good seed in the Big East tourney, or a good seed in the big dance.....
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Post by 98hoya on Jan 4, 2009 21:37:32 GMT -5
True. And totally meaningless. right because they don't determine who gets an automatic bid, a good seed in the Big East tourney, or a good seed in the big dance..... Let's get a few things out of the way: automatic bids are 100% irrelevant in the Big East. Maybe in the Sunbelt conference your comment makes sense, but you're nuts if you care about standings in the hope that we'll win the regular season and get an auto bid. Second, if you care about how it affects our BE tourney seedings, you're nuts too. To win the Big East, we're going to have to beat a whole bunch of top national teams. If you lose sleep over whether we're going to have to beat UConn in the 2nd round of the BE tourney or Pitt, then you're nuttier than if you worry about automatic bids. Look, if you want to make an honest effort to say national rankings don't matter but BE standings do, have at it. But if you wanna argue just to argue - which it seems to me very much that you are - you should join the 'cuse message board. As an aside, national rankings do factor into NCAA tourney bids, which is the only seeding I care about.
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Post by jkhoya12 on Jan 4, 2009 21:48:42 GMT -5
right because they don't determine who gets an automatic bid, a good seed in the Big East tourney, or a good seed in the big dance..... Let's get a few things out of the way: automatic bids are 100% irrelevant in the Big East. Maybe in the Sunbelt conference your comment makes sense, but you're nuts if you care about standings in the hope that we'll win the regular season and get an auto bid. Second, if you care about how it affects our BE tourney seedings, you're nuts too. To win the Big East, we're going to have to beat a whole bunch of top national teams. If you lose sleep over whether we're going to have to beat UConn in the 2nd round of the BE tourney or Pitt, then you're nuttier than if you worry about automatic bids. Look, if you want to make an honest effort to say national rankings don't matter but BE standings do, have at it. But if you wanna argue just to argue - which it seems to me very much that you are - you should join the 'cuse message board. As an aside, national rankings do factor into NCAA tourney bids, which is the only seeding I care about. I agree that we're going to have to play a tough team 2nd round of the BET no matter what. Obviously, I don't care that much about the auto bid from winning the regular season. I do care about defending our title however. Trust me I'm not arguing with you just to argue with you although your cuse comment might have been a little out of line. I do not think AP and ESPN rankings have that much to do with NCAA tournament selection. For one thing, these rankings encompass only 30 or so out of 60 teams that are going to be selected. That's not to mention there's a reason why these teams are in the top 25; because they have signature wins, have a good regular season record, etc. In that case, I think it's fair to argue that the rankings to some point accurately display the performance of the teams, but I am no proponent of paying attention to these rankings. Simply look at what happens in college football when you pay attention to rankings, many people get upset. Sure I'd love to be #1 in the country, and would be very proud of it, but all that matters is what happens in March. Hoya Saxa.
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Post by guru on Jan 4, 2009 22:15:54 GMT -5
The only ranking I pay attention to is kenpom.com. As for the voted rankings, they mean absolutely nothing - as will be proven tomorrow when UConn is ranked ahead of the Hoyas despite the drubbing inflicted in Hartford last Monday. Guru, for the reasons I stated above, I think they mean more than "absolutely nothing." You'd have to agree that a highly ranked team gets more press and more attention from the public. That doesn't win games, but it does help build a program. Yes, BEING ranked in the voter polls matters, as it gets your highlights on SportsCenter, scores in papers across the country, etc. My point is that WHERE you are ranked in these voter polls doesn't matter at all.
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Post by Just Cos on Jan 4, 2009 22:24:16 GMT -5
I can't wait until Wake plays some real teams and everyone sees how overrated they are...on second thought with them being in the ACC that will never happen.
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Post by theexorcist on Jan 4, 2009 22:26:00 GMT -5
Hard to say if we'll ascend or descend from our current 8/11 slots. I'd say we drop to 10 in the Coaches and move up to 8 in the AP because that's the kind of arbitrary movements one might expect from the polls. Interesting that we're still #1 on kenpom. Down to #11 on realtimeRPI, #6 on Sagarin (which has not been updated for today's games). 2-1 in the Big East is what I'm really hoping to see by this time tomorrow night. Why shouldn't we move up? We lost to the #1 team in the country, and beat the previous #2 team in the country.
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Post by Jack on Jan 4, 2009 22:43:47 GMT -5
Sadly, Georgetown did not just lose to Pitt, they got destroyed on their home floor and appeared to reveal some real weaknesses. They may not "deserve" to lose ground in the polls, but I would be very surprised if there are not negative repercussions.
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Post by 98hoya on Jan 4, 2009 22:52:02 GMT -5
Guru, for the reasons I stated above, I think they mean more than "absolutely nothing." You'd have to agree that a highly ranked team gets more press and more attention from the public. That doesn't win games, but it does help build a program. Yes, BEING ranked in the voter polls matters, as it gets your highlights on SportsCenter, scores in papers across the country, etc. My point is that WHERE you are ranked in these voter polls doesn't matter at all. You think where we are in the polls doesn't matter at all? Tell you what, go to any online media source right this moment - CNN, MSNBC, Foxnews, NYTimes.com, etc. and you'll see that it's a national headline that UNC lost today. It was a sports front-page headline nationally when we beat UConn, and the G'town-Pitt game was the lead story on Sportscenter. Contrast that with the fact that I'm pretty sure most people don't know that both Ohio State and Baylor are ranked, let alone that they've both lost games in the last couple of days. Being ranked matters, being highly ranked matters.
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Post by jkhoya12 on Jan 4, 2009 22:53:11 GMT -5
Yes, BEING ranked in the voter polls matters, as it gets your highlights on SportsCenter, scores in papers across the country, etc. My point is that WHERE you are ranked in these voter polls doesn't matter at all. You think where we are in the polls doesn't matter at all? Tell you what, go to any online media source right this moment - CNN, MSNBC, Foxnews, NYTimes.com, etc. and you'll see that it's a national headline that UNC lost today. It was a sports front-page headline nationally when we beat UConn, and the G'town-Pitt game was the lead story on Sportscenter. Contrast that with the fact that I'm pretty sure most people don't know that both Ohio State and Baylor are ranked, let alone that they've both lost games in the last couple of days. Being ranked matters, being highly ranked matters. Completely agree with you in that regard. That is where rankings are crucial, but I don't think the team should care about that. It's important to the program for exposure, but again I don't think it should be important to us or the team because it's a distraction during the season.
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Post by 98hoya on Jan 4, 2009 23:37:55 GMT -5
I agree - the team shouldn't care. In fact, for those guys on the team itself, a low ranking might be better because then they can use that as motivation.
As for it being a distraction to "us" as posters on this board and fans...uh, I don't think it matters too much if we're distracted.
Short of "Jeff Gilloolying" Luke Harangody within the next few hours, I don't think there's anything any of us do as fans, alums, supporters, or posters on a message board that matters one bit one way or another for the team's success.
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Post by lichoya68 on Jan 4, 2009 23:55:54 GMT -5
Totally agree that the only ranking that counts is the last one of the season after the final four decides the winner BUT I would also totally agree that is important to be ranked SOMEWHERE as in the past when we were not ranked got no press in the newspapers or on tv NONE. You kinda drop outa site if you are not in the top 25 ::: gone outa site and outa mind. GO HOYAS beat the domers in their house and make some headlines. Cant start one and two in the big east because we GOTTA BE IN THE TOP FOUR TO WIN THE TOURNEY THIS YEAR . Top four finishers only, that's the truth. DEFEND THE THREE AND OH HOW HAPPY WE WILL BE.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Jan 5, 2009 0:33:20 GMT -5
cbs's rankings have the hoyas moving up from 9th to 5th. "The Hoyas' victory at UConn was enough to move them up in the rankings despite the subsequent loss to Pitt."
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