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Post by Hank Scorpio on Dec 19, 2008 15:40:22 GMT -5
Ian Kennedy was never a stud, he was considered a #4/5 starter. Phil Hughes was considered a stud. Still is. I'm not writing either of them off after 80 innings. I'd much rather have gambled with him than signed Burnett to that crazy deal. Ideally we'd have signed a guy like Sheets to a 3 year deal or brought Pettitte back for 1 to buy him some time to develop. Though I definitely understand the sure thing logic, the BoSox have been pretty good at internal player development, no reason to think that Lars won't pan out. And if you do have trepidation about Lars...go with a shorter term guy like Dunn until he's ready to take over. I don't like any contracts past 4 years to be honest, studs can become anchors. ::cough::Jeter::cough Also, the Sox have Lars Anderson in the minors, the dude is a stud. A year ago, Phil Hughes and Ian Kennedy were "studs". Sometimes the proven commodity is a pretty good option.
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Post by hoyarooter on Dec 19, 2008 21:32:40 GMT -5
Per HS Borat's comment about line-up protection, I realize this is anecdotal since it's a one shot example, and likely ManRam is a special case, but both Jeff Kent and Andre Ethier saw their batting averages skyrocket while batting in front of Manny. In fact, Kent caused quite a stir in LA when Vin Scully pointed this out, and Kent blasted Vinnie for basically not knowing what he was talking about (Kent having claimed that his average jump while batting third had nothing to do with Manny batting behind him).
As for Tex, I think it's a bit premature to say he isn't a HOFer. If we extrapolate his career numbers for another 10 years, where does he end up?
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Post by DanMcQ on Dec 20, 2008 10:55:01 GMT -5
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Post by hifigator on Dec 20, 2008 11:24:15 GMT -5
Granted, I am not the major league buff that some of you are, but from what I have seen, read and heard, Texiera has the mental makeup to handle the ultra-scrutiny that comes with a prominent position in NY, Boston or LA. The part that is rarely, if ever, mentioned in that, is how important that could be to the team. Maybe that is discussed behind closed doors a lot more than is let on, but I would think that the higher ups might want to pay a little more attention to such things when doling out huge contracts. We have all seen plenty of marriages between players and teams that are likely formulas for disaster. Sometimes they work well -- Randy Moss or Corey Dillon and the Patriots for example -- but more often they don't. And all the focus is on whether or not this particular team can control this particular head case. I don't think enough emphasis is put on avoiding such relationships, rather than managing them.
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Post by DanMcQ on Dec 21, 2008 8:12:59 GMT -5
Hifi: The current Red Sox ownership seem to particularly pay attention to that. It is the major reason why Manny Ramirez, the best overall baseball fit for the position he had in their offensive lineup, is in LA and beyond.
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Post by DanMcQ on Dec 28, 2008 22:24:31 GMT -5
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Post by Jack on Jan 5, 2009 17:07:31 GMT -5
So I know Phillies fans will probably cut management a great deal of slack and probably should not complain, but their decision to sign Raul Ibanez (age 36/37) for 3 years and $30 million, plus a draft pick, when Pat Burrell (age 32) was apparently available for 2 years and $16 million (as he just signed for with Tampa) looks like the worst transaction this side of AJ Burnett right now.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2009 17:14:55 GMT -5
So I know Phillies fans will probably cut management a great deal of slack and probably should not complain, but their decision to sign Raul Ibanez (age 35?) for 3 years and $30 million, plus a draft pick, when Pat Burrell (age 32) was apparently for 2 years and $16 million (as he just signed for with Tampa) looks like the worst transaction this side of AJ Burnett right now. Burrell needed a change of scenery like 4 years ago. There was no chance he was coming back at any price.
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Post by HeartAttackHoya on Jan 5, 2009 17:39:02 GMT -5
So I know Phillies fans will probably cut management a great deal of slack and probably should not complain, but their decision to sign Raul Ibanez (age 35?) for 3 years and $30 million, plus a draft pick, when Pat Burrell (age 32) was apparently for 2 years and $16 million (as he just signed for with Tampa) looks like the worst transaction this side of AJ Burnett right now. specially when u consider milton bradley @ the age of 30 coming off a career year signed for 3 years 30.
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Post by HoyaFanNY on Jan 7, 2009 7:56:44 GMT -5
tinyurl.com/9785snit's nice to know teixeira's wife has his balls safely secured in her back pocket.
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Post by DanMcQ on Jan 7, 2009 16:49:46 GMT -5
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Post by HeartAttackHoya on Jan 7, 2009 17:09:34 GMT -5
Gammons is God. Love his work.."Tex's wife didnt like the shops on Newbury or something"
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Post by Hank Scorpio on Jan 7, 2009 18:43:25 GMT -5
The dude didn't consider the Red Sox...for a minute. Boras used them to drive up the price on the Yankees, much like Bernie Williams did once upon a time. tinyurl.com/9785snit's nice to know teixeira's wife has his balls safely secured in her back pocket.
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Post by Hank Scorpio on Jan 7, 2009 18:46:42 GMT -5
Gammons is an institution, but he is wrong a lot of the time. And he has a weird man crush on Dustin Pedroia. Rob Neyer and Jerry Crasnick are ESPN's 2 best i think. Gammons is God. Love his work.."Tex's wife didnt like the shops on Newbury or something"
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Post by Hank Scorpio on Jan 7, 2009 18:49:31 GMT -5
also, after the Pat Burrell signing, Adam Dunn is going to end up signing for 2 years at 20 million. That's insane.
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Post by DanMcQ on Jan 7, 2009 20:09:33 GMT -5
Gammons .... has a weird man crush on Dustin Pedroia. So did a majority of the MVP voters. Admit it, AFKA Borat: you too are lustin' for Dustin.
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Post by hoyarooter on Jan 7, 2009 21:03:58 GMT -5
The dude didn't consider the Red Sox...for a minute. Boras used them to drive up the price on the Yankees, much like Bernie Williams did once upon a time. tinyurl.com/9785snit's nice to know teixeira's wife has his balls safely secured in her back pocket. Boras would never do that, would he? Nah.
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Post by DanMcQ on Jan 7, 2009 23:30:43 GMT -5
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Post by HoyaFanNY on Jan 8, 2009 7:06:09 GMT -5
teixeira considered the red sox until the yankees came in with a much higher offer. it was about money, nothing else. the days of the players signing with the yankees because they want to be a yankee are over. they have to offer players 10's of millions more than other teams to get them to sign. cashman had to sell his mother to be cc.
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Post by Hank Scorpio on Jan 8, 2009 11:05:46 GMT -5
The Yankees 8 year offer was 10 million dollars more than the Red Sox...about 1.2 million more per year over the lifetime. If you consider that to be a "much higher offer," that's your opinion, but I think you're in the small minority there. And when did anyone take a paycut to be a Yankee? And Cashman had to sell his mother to be/get CC? What does that even mean? sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ge-teixeirareconstruct010609&prov=yhoo&type=lgnsIt is commonly understood that Boston made an offer of eight years for about $170 million. What is not widely known is that the Red Sox also had on the table two vesting option years which would have realized Boras’ goal to land a 10-year deal for his client. The total value of the package would have been worth in the neighborhood of $212 million, if the option years vested.
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