Boz
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Post by Boz on Nov 30, 2011 12:07:13 GMT -5
What a doofus! Next thing you know, he'll think Hawaii is part of Asia or something.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Nov 30, 2011 12:58:27 GMT -5
Or this quote to Fox and Friends: "We’re going to be talking about [policy], and we’re going to be talking about that in harsh and strong terms over the course of the next four to five weeks as we get ready for those New Hampshire caucuses."
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Nov 30, 2011 16:00:49 GMT -5
At this point, Palin looks strong compared to Romney or Gingrich. I think Gingrich would add some ideas to the race, but his values (private life) are anathema to what I think this country represents.
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Post by quickplay on Nov 30, 2011 16:11:39 GMT -5
Gingrich is an old-fashioned huckster and a prominent lobbyist.
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Nov 30, 2011 16:16:55 GMT -5
Part of me wants him to be the nominee just to see if the Republic Party pitches him as a family values candidate.
I have my disagreements with Obama on policy, but I could not be prouder of how he and his family have filled the role of first family. It is a model for what this country represents IMO.
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Post by guru on Nov 30, 2011 16:21:29 GMT -5
Part of me wants him to be the nominee just to see if the Republic Party pitches him as a family values candidate. I have my disagreements with Obama on policy, but I could not be prouder of how he and his family have filled the role of first family. It is a model for what this country represents IMO. Just wondering how you feel George W. Bush, along with his wife and 2 daughters, filled the "role of first family"?
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Nov 30, 2011 23:16:11 GMT -5
I agree that they did a good job on that front, with the one exception coming to mind being the swift boat veterans attack that originated in the BC04 campaign (and served as proving grounds for patronage positions in the second term). I have yet to read a good defense of that attack on a decorated veteran (and, by extension, the Pentagon, which reviewed the paperwork related to the medals), agree with his politics or not.
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Post by Boz on Dec 1, 2011 3:00:30 GMT -5
I agree that they did a good job on that front, with the one exception coming to mind being the swift boat veterans attack that originated in the BC04 campaign (and served as proving grounds for patronage positions in the second term). I have yet to read a good defense of that attack on a decorated veteran (and, by extension, the Pentagon, which reviewed the paperwork related to the medals), agree with his politics or not. In what remotely sane sense does that have anything to do with the Bush family?
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Post by Elvado on Dec 1, 2011 5:44:42 GMT -5
Part of me wants him to be the nominee just to see if the Republic Party pitches him as a family values candidate. I have my disagreements with Obama on policy, but I could not be prouder of how he and his family have filled the role of first family. It is a model for what this country represents IMO. If by model of what this country represents you mean grab with both hands and spend as much taxpayer money as possible on expensive vacations then I am right with you on that one. They have also put their money where their mouth is educationally by trumpeting public educaton and lying in bed with teachers' unions while sending their daughters to exclusive private schools. Yes Barry and Michelle are shining examples of how a family ought to "occupy" 1600.
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Post by HoyaNyr320 on Dec 1, 2011 7:51:47 GMT -5
Part of me wants him to be the nominee just to see if the Republic Party pitches him as a family values candidate. I have my disagreements with Obama on policy, but I could not be prouder of how he and his family have filled the role of first family. It is a model for what this country represents IMO. If by model of what this country represents you mean grab with both hands and spend as much taxpayer money as possible on expensive vacations then I am right with you on that one. They have also put their money where their mouth is educationally by trumpeting public educaton and lying in bed with teachers' unions while sending their daughters to exclusive private schools. Yes Barry and Michelle are shining examples of how a family ought to "occupy" 1600. So because President Obama doesn't have a ranch in Crawford or a compound in Kennebunkport, he's criticized for taking his vacations to different locations? In terms of the amount of vacation time, Bush had Obama beat by a longshot at this point. This article is from late August: www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/08/17/eveningnews/main20093801.shtmlEven you Elvado have to recognize that it is difficult for a President to vacation on a small budget - everywhere he goes he has to bring an army of Secret Service and staff, which means he has to find places to go that an handle such a huge traveling party. Your criticism of the Obamas sending their daughters to private school is also laughable. Again, security concerns come into play here - Sidwell already had a system to secure their campus because Chelsea went there. On your charge of hypocracy, how about all the Repubs who send their kids to private school and then yell about shutting down the Department of Education and slashing teacher pay? Easy to rally for cuts when their children aren't affected.
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Post by theexorcist on Dec 1, 2011 10:23:34 GMT -5
If by model of what this country represents you mean grab with both hands and spend as much taxpayer money as possible on expensive vacations then I am right with you on that one. They have also put their money where their mouth is educationally by trumpeting public educaton and lying in bed with teachers' unions while sending their daughters to exclusive private schools. Yes Barry and Michelle are shining examples of how a family ought to "occupy" 1600. So because President Obama doesn't have a ranch in Crawford or a compound in Kennebunkport, he's criticized for taking his vacations to different locations? In terms of the amount of vacation time, Bush had Obama beat by a longshot at this point. This article is from late August: www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/08/17/eveningnews/main20093801.shtmlEven you Elvado have to recognize that it is difficult for a President to vacation on a small budget - everywhere he goes he has to bring an army of Secret Service and staff, which means he has to find places to go that an handle such a huge traveling party. Your criticism of the Obamas sending their daughters to private school is also laughable. Again, security concerns come into play here - Sidwell already had a system to secure their campus because Chelsea went there. On your charge of hypocracy, how about all the Repubs who send their kids to private school and then yell about shutting down the Department of Education and slashing teacher pay? Easy to rally for cuts when their children aren't affected. Republicans constantly comment about how the public education system is woefully broken and how teacher's unions allow incompetent and unmotivated teachers with tenure to do whatever they want. Almost any Republican worth their salt wants teacher pay heavily tied to some indication of performance in the classroom vice length of service. That's not "slashing teacher pay". Republicans also argue that the Department of Education does precious little to justify an entire agency that may be better served under HHS - especially considering that the US has no mandated educational standards at any level (even accreditation of colleges is done by independent bodies). With an argument that public schools are broken, it is more than reasonable for Republicans to a) send their kids to private schools, and b) agitate for more vouchers, including in Washington, D.C., so others can do the same. It's more than reasonable to argue for hypocrisy in Congress, but Republican positions on education don't meet it.
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Post by rosslynhoya on Dec 1, 2011 11:43:37 GMT -5
Among recent presidents, Bill Clinton took the least time off -- 28 days. To be fair, Bill Clinton had more fun in the office than most POTUSes have on their days off.
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Post by Elvado on Dec 1, 2011 12:19:17 GMT -5
If by model of what this country represents you mean grab with both hands and spend as much taxpayer money as possible on expensive vacations then I am right with you on that one. They have also put their money where their mouth is educationally by trumpeting public educaton and lying in bed with teachers' unions while sending their daughters to exclusive private schools. Yes Barry and Michelle are shining examples of how a family ought to "occupy" 1600. So because President Obama doesn't have a ranch in Crawford or a compound in Kennebunkport, he's criticized for taking his vacations to different locations? In terms of the amount of vacation time, Bush had Obama beat by a longshot at this point. This article is from late August: www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/08/17/eveningnews/main20093801.shtmlEven you Elvado have to recognize that it is difficult for a President to vacation on a small budget - everywhere he goes he has to bring an army of Secret Service and staff, which means he has to find places to go that an handle such a huge traveling party. Your criticism of the Obamas sending their daughters to private school is also laughable. Again, security concerns come into play here - Sidwell already had a system to secure their campus because Chelsea went there. On your charge of hypocracy, how about all the Repubs who send their kids to private school and then yell about shutting down the Department of Education and slashing teacher pay? Easy to rally for cuts when their children aren't affected. good for you. Hop up on the battlements for Barry and Michelle. How do you reconcile her extracurricular vacationing and the need for them to fly separately so they can leave 4 hours apart? The community organizer and the first traveler are bound and determined to take whatever they can grab while they "occupy"1600. As for the education argument, Wealthy Republicans who bash the DOE and scream for vouchers and school choice choosing to pay for private school is not nearly as incongruous as the great champion of teachers' unions sending his own precious ones to private school. Barry and Michelle have every right to send their kids wherever they like. The Republicans who bash the DOE and the consequence-free environment of public schools at least behave as they talk.
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Post by guru on Dec 1, 2011 13:23:16 GMT -5
I agree that they did a good job on that front, with the one exception coming to mind being the swift boat veterans attack that originated in the BC04 campaign (and served as proving grounds for patronage positions in the second term). I have yet to read a good defense of that attack on a decorated veteran (and, by extension, the Pentagon, which reviewed the paperwork related to the medals), agree with his politics or not. After your first 11 words, this response to the question is completely nonsensical. And bizarre.
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Post by guru on Dec 1, 2011 13:25:13 GMT -5
I agree that they did a good job on that front, with the one exception coming to mind being the swift boat veterans attack that originated in the BC04 campaign (and served as proving grounds for patronage positions in the second term). I have yet to read a good defense of that attack on a decorated veteran (and, by extension, the Pentagon, which reviewed the paperwork related to the medals), agree with his politics or not. After your first 11 words, this response to the question is completely nonsensical. And bizarre.
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Post by derhoya on Dec 1, 2011 13:58:11 GMT -5
Part of me wants him to be the nominee just to see if the Republic Party pitches him as a family values candidate. I have my disagreements with Obama on policy, but I could not be prouder of how he and his family have filled the role of first family. It is a model for what this country represents IMO. Just wondering how you feel George W. Bush, along with his wife and 2 daughters, filled the "role of first family"? For what it's worth, Jenna and Barbara Bush were arrested in 2001 for being minors in possession of alcohol. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jenna_Hager) "Jenna and her twin sister Barbara made national headlines when they were both arrested for alcohol related charges twice within 5 weeks: on April 29, 2001, Jenna was charged with a misdemeanor for possession of alcohol under the age 21 in Austin. On May 29, 2001, Jenna was charged with another misdemeanor — attempting to use a fake ID (with the name Barbara Pierce, her paternal grandmother's maiden name) to purchase alcohol." I heard tails of Jenna's drunkenness while at UT and in certain haunts in DC.
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Post by TBird41 on Dec 1, 2011 14:04:40 GMT -5
Just wondering how you feel George W. Bush, along with his wife and 2 daughters, filled the "role of first family"? For what it's worth, Jenna and Barbara Bush were arrested in 2001 for being minors in possession of alcohol. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jenna_Hager) "Jenna and her twin sister Barbara made national headlines when they were both arrested for alcohol related charges twice within 5 weeks: on April 29, 2001, Jenna was charged with a misdemeanor for possession of alcohol under the age 21 in Austin. On May 29, 2001, Jenna was charged with another misdemeanor — attempting to use a fake ID (with the name Barbara Pierce, her paternal grandmother's maiden name) to purchase alcohol." I heard tails of Jenna's drunkenness while at UT and in certain haunts in DC. Right, which is why Ambassador's post was so nonsensical. There was an easy response and he whiffed on it--he definitely pulled a Rick Perry there
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Post by TC on Dec 1, 2011 14:14:56 GMT -5
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Post by derhoya on Dec 1, 2011 15:22:05 GMT -5
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Post by TC on Dec 1, 2011 15:24:44 GMT -5
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