When is this going to end???

[hoyamac22]

ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hNafTsdlgbSZ8YMoFRDSgrVlEwGwD936205O0

Seriously, this is the second time that a blatanlty racist "product" has been openly sold at Republican lead conventions. This is just another example of the dirty and utter despicable tactics that the republicans and their supporters are allowing to go on in this campaign.

Just another example at how McCain has sold his soul after Bush pulled these tacics on him when he was running in 2000.

[strummer8526]

Hifi makes his break into the waffle industry.

[Boz]

We are equally outraged at this, I hope.

www.digitaljournal.com/article/259817

[HoyaSinceBirth]

I wouldn't say equally, but definetly outraged but altering a picture to make someone who's policies you disagree with look diabolical is not on the same as making somethign that's clearly racist. It's definetly not good, but it's not on the same level. but i'm not trying to condone what she did but i don't think it's fair to say they're equally bad.

[strummer8526]

She should lose her job and never work in respectable media again. I think it shows that she's irresponsible, manipulative, and extremely brazen. The makers of the waffle box and anyone who finds them funny or worth owning are racists, plain and simple. There's no real need to rank lousiness here. Both pretty crappy.

[Bando]

Sept 15, 2008 22:21:53 GMT -5 Boz said:

We are equally outraged at this, I hope.

www.digitaljournal.com/article/259817

It is stupid, indeed. However, The Atlantic didn't use that picture.

[Coast2CoastHoya]

Answer to the original question: hopefully as soon as possible.

[FewFAC]

It won't end as long as there is a Republican running for public office.

[Boz]

Well, there's an enlightened, intelligent response.

Those beatific Democrats never do anything like this, like you know, putting ads on the air saying that black churches will burn if Republicans are elected.

Let's ask Michael Steele if this is a one-party problem. How about that?

[jerseyhoya34]

Sept 17, 2008 21:28:43 GMT -5 Boz said:

Well, there's an enlightened, intelligent response.

Those beatific Democrats never do anything like this, like you know, putting ads on the air saying that black churches will burn if Republicans are elected.

Let's ask Michael Steele if this is a one-party problem. How about that?

Are you serious? Surely you can do better than holding out an unaccomplished candidate for Senate in this debate. Steele is somebody who is on Larry King's D list on a slow night.

Make no mistake about it. After being the victim of heinous attacks in 2000 launched by Bush and Rove, John McCain had a choice. He could have taken the high road again, but he did not. The choice has been abundantly clear, and what is also clear is that McCain in this instance did not "put America first." John McCain has had a long, distinguished career in Washington, and this campaign has not been part of that.

[AustinHoya03]

I will add some fuel to this fire: the Obama campaign isn't afraid to play the race card either (though not in a stupid, Birmingham-in-the-1960s kind of way).

blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/09/from-the-fact-1.html

Go ahead and say it, Rev. Jackson -- Obama's talking down to Hispanics on immigration. One would have to be totally out of touch to believe this ad.

Burn baby burn.

[AustinHoya03]

Sept 17, 2008 21:35:04 GMT -5 @jerseyhoya34 said:

Make no mistake about it. After being the victim of heinous attacks in 2000 launched by Bush and Rove, John McCain had a choice. He could have taken the high road again, but he did not. The choice has been abundantly clear, and what is also clear is that McCain in this instance did not "put America first." John McCain has had a long, distinguished career in Washington, and this campaign has not been part of that.

Dude, are you on the payroll?

[jerseyhoya34]

Sept 17, 2008 21:41:30 GMT -5 AustinHoya03 said:

Sept 17, 2008 21:35:04 GMT -5 @jerseyhoya34 said:

Make no mistake about it. After being the victim of heinous attacks in 2000 launched by Bush and Rove, John McCain had a choice. He could have taken the high road again, but he did not. The choice has been abundantly clear, and what is also clear is that McCain in this instance did not "put America first." John McCain has had a long, distinguished career in Washington, and this campaign has not been part of that.

Dude, are you on the payroll?

No, I am just a frustrated voter who expected better from John McCain, especially after I supported him in 2000. Nary a mention any more of the "iron triangle" and so forth...

[FewFAC]

Sept 17, 2008 21:39:44 GMT -5 AustinHoya03 said:

I will add some fuel to this fire: the Obama campaign isn't afraid to play the race card either (though not in a stupid, Birmingham-in-the-1960s kind of way).

blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/09/from-the-fact-1.html

Go ahead and say it, Rev. Jackson -- Obama's talking down to Hispanics on immigration. One would have to be totally out of touch to believe this ad.

Burn baby burn.

At some point, McCain supporters are going to have to come to grips with the reality that when your candidate is like this, repeated protests at what your opponent is doing wrong will fail to connect. A quote:

All campaigns fall short, but some fall far shorter than others. And it is a phony evenhandedness, comfortable for journalists but ultimately misleading, that equates these failures without measuring the grossness of their deviation from the standard of decency.

In the 2008 race, and especially in the past few weeks, the imbalance has become unnervingly stark. Ideological differences aside, John McCain's campaign has been more dishonest, more unfair, more -- to use a word that resonates with McCain -- dishonorable than Barack Obama's.

[AustinHoya03]

Sept 17, 2008 22:07:46 GMT -5 FewFAC said:

At some point, McCain supporters are going to have to come to grips with the reality that when your candidate is like this, repeated protests at what your opponent is doing wrong will fail to connect.

I'm not a McCain supporter, but thanks for playing.

[Boz]

Sept 17, 2008 21:35:04 GMT -5 @jerseyhoya34 said:

Sept 17, 2008 21:28:43 GMT -5 Boz said:

Well, there's an enlightened, intelligent response.

Those beatific Democrats never do anything like this, like you know, putting ads on the air saying that black churches will burn if Republicans are elected.

Let's ask Michael Steele if this is a one-party problem. How about that?

Are you serious? Surely you can do better than holding out an unaccomplished candidate for Senate in this debate. Steele is somebody who is on Larry King's D list on a slow night.

Make no mistake about it. After being the victim of heinous attacks in 2000 launched by Bush and Rove, John McCain had a choice. He could have taken the high road again, but he did not. The choice has been abundantly clear, and what is also clear is that McCain in this instance did not "put America first." John McCain has had a long, distinguished career in Washington, and this campaign has not been part of that.

Wow, thanks for letting me know that racism only counts when it happens to someone in the national spotlight. That's awesome! Hey, everybody, we can be racists all we want. As long as we don't do it with someone America hears about every day, no one will care!!

We can both play this game. Obama, for instance, has a long and distinguished primary campaign that was all about rising above partisanship and recasting and election as one of hope and promise. His general election campaign has not been a part of that.


I say again.....

[FewFAC]

Sept 17, 2008 22:37:56 GMT -5 AustinHoya03 said:

Sept 17, 2008 22:07:46 GMT -5 FewFAC said:

At some point, McCain supporters are going to have to come to grips with the reality that when your candidate is like this, repeated protests at what your opponent is doing wrong will fail to connect.

I'm not a McCain supporter, but thanks for playing.

Sure, because attacking his opponent doesn't indicate support. Nice logic.

[TBird41]

Sept 18, 2008 13:34:52 GMT -5 FewFAC said:

Sept 17, 2008 22:37:56 GMT -5 AustinHoya03 said:

I'm not a McCain supporter, but thanks for playing.

Sure, because attacking his opponent doesn't indicate support. Nice logic.

Start here:

hoyatalk2.proboards48.com/index.cgi?board=offtopic&action=display&thread=17088&page=1

Scroll down to Austin's post where he states who is going to vote for, then come back and tell us who's logic is better.

[hifigator]

TBird, in fairness, as sound as Austin's logic was there, I thought it was more of a justification for why he thought Kerry was a "schmuck" than a logically sound endorsement of Obama.

Austin wrote:

His campaign has laid the policy groundwork on issues I and other Americans care about

There's not a lot of ... make that any ... meat and potatoes there -- not much to argue, but not much to praise either. He says that Obama has laid the policy groundwork on issues ... Don't get me wrong, here. I respect Austin's opinion, but I'm not sure that such a link is the best way to illustrate the logic of his argument.

[TBird41]

Sept 18, 2008 15:31:10 GMT -5 hifigator said:

TBird, in fairness, as sound as Austin's logic was there, I thought it was more of a justification for why he thought Kerry was a "schmuck" than a logically sound endorsement of Obama.

Austin wrote:

His campaign has laid the policy groundwork on issues I and other Americans care about

There's not a lot of ... make that any ... meat and potatoes there -- not much to argue, but not much to praise either. He says that Obama has laid the policy groundwork on issues ... Don't get me wrong, here. I respect Austin's opinion, but I'm not sure that such a link is the best way to illustrate the logic of his argument.

Once again, Hifi demonstrates what a UF education is worth.