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Post by StPetersburgHoya (Inactive) on Sept 2, 2008 9:11:58 GMT -5
Also, during Palin's time as Mayor of Wasilla there was an organized effort to recall her for firing city employees who supported her opponent: tinyurl.com/5oop3d |
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Sept 2, 2008 9:16:10 GMT -5
I submit for your aproval ;D |
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Post by Bando on Sept 2, 2008 9:20:48 GMT -5
I submit for your aproval ;D Oh man that's weird, because I was totally thinking this morning "I NEED to know what P. Diddy thinks about the election."  |
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Post by TC on Sept 2, 2008 9:22:33 GMT -5
No one cares about the secessionist thing yet because no one has moved past the baby thing. The McCain camp utterly mishandled that story, instead of squashing the rumor that the daughter was the actual mother of Trig Palin, it has fanned the flames by adding another pregnancy to the mix. It took longer than 2 months for Barack Obama to convince people he isn't a Muslim - how long is it going to take to convince people that Trig Palin is actually Sarah Palin's baby?
The McCain camp can blow hard all it wants about liberal bloggers and the mainstream news media, but if they seriously think they are fighting the Democrats on this, they are woefully out of touch. The Obama campaign won't go near this with a 10-foot pole. McCain should be concerned with TMZ.COM, gawker.com, Us Weekly, The National Enquirer, Morning Zoos, and MySpace because baby bumps and teen pregnancy vs. abstinence-only education are going to be issues from now until election day unless they jettison Palin. I turned on the local Morning Zoo this morning and they were playing the best-of Britney Spears and "Redneck Woman" in honor of Sarah Palin.
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Post by The Stig on Sept 2, 2008 9:32:21 GMT -5
I don't think jettisoning Palin is an option. She's too popular among the GOP's base, and they would be outraged if she left. She could turn out to be a serial killer and those people would still support her.
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Post by TC on Sept 2, 2008 9:40:57 GMT -5
I don't think jettisoning Palin is an option. She's too popular among the GOP's base, and they would be outraged if she left. She could turn out to be a serial killer and those people would still support her. I disagree, if the campaign jettisoned her for personal reasons, those people would turn on her and condemn her and her family in an Alabama Minute. |
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Post by Boz on Sept 2, 2008 10:08:39 GMT -5
This is utter and complete silliness. No one is jettisoning Sarah Palin, much as you might love that for the political chances of your candidate of choice.
Making the family situation an issue is a joke and I think it reflects more poorly on people who want to continue to do so than it does on Sarah Palin or her family. I'm pretty sure the Democratic presidential candidate agrees with that assessment, by the way. Campbell Brown is already being knocked around for trying to question whether or not she is qualified because of this supposed "issue."
As for the political party matter, Obama acutally sought the endorsement of communists back in the 90s. I'm not talking about their recent endoresment of him, he can't stop that. But earlier in his career, he sought them out, so are the Democrats considering jettisoning him?
Of all of these things, only one is an issue, that is the issue with the state trooper, and I don't think that will end up hurting her that much. Even if she did act inappropriately which, I will remind you, there is no hard evidence of yet, asking for the resignation of someone who makes threats against your family, and taking action when nothing is done about that, is not likely to lose her much support.
But by all means, enjoy your You Tube clips. It won't change anything. Palin will either perform very well on Wednesday and in her debate with Biden, or she won't. That will determine whether or not she is a boon or a detriment to the ticket, not this stuff.
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Post by TC on Sept 2, 2008 10:37:08 GMT -5
Making the family situation an issue is a joke and I think it reflects more poorly on people who want to continue to do so than it does on Sarah Palin or her family. I'm pretty sure the Democratic presidential candidate agrees with that assessment, by the way. Campbell Brown is already being knocked around for trying to question whether or not she is qualified because of this supposed "issue." If Campbell Brown is being knocked around it's because she dared to try to make Tucker Bounds stray from talking points to answer a damn question. |
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Post by Boz on Sept 2, 2008 10:46:56 GMT -5
As opposed to that bastion of original thought and honest answers named Robert Gibbs?
But maybe Tucker Bounds thought these were questions not worthy of answering, in which case, I'd agree with him.
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Post by TC on Sept 2, 2008 11:04:02 GMT -5
But maybe Tucker Bounds thought these were questions not worthy of answering, in which case, I'd agree with him. I'm assuming you haven't seen the clip, but the question I'm talking about is "What foreign policy experience does Sarah Palin possess?". If Campbell Brown is getting heat, it's because Tucker flubbed that question. |
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Post by hilltopper2000 on Sept 2, 2008 11:07:05 GMT -5
I don't know which Palin story to focus on. My wife tells me I'm being snobby for making fun of Palin for thinking that the Founding Fathers wrote the Pledge of Allegiance. But I think the recent story about her firing Wasilla's librarian is truly troubling (for me anyway). It sounds like she was engaged in some good old fashioned censorship. (This was reported last week by Politico, but it still hasn't gotten a full mainstream media vetting.) www.washingtonindependent.com/3671/the-reform-candidatewww.washingtonindependent.com/3671/the-reform-candidate |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2008 11:09:09 GMT -5
As opposed to that bastion of original thought and honest answers named Robert Gibbs? But maybe Tucker Bounds thought these were questions not worthy of answering, in which case, I'd agree with him. Campbell Brown is a joke, but I was highly entertained by the stick-to-the-script non-answers given by Bounds and Rep. Michele Bachmann. If Bounds didn't think the questions were worthy of answers, he could have said that. Instead, he made up his own questions to answer. And Bachmann was like a Stepford Wife - when asked "Is Sarah Palin really the best choice McCain could have made?", she smiled goofily and said "It's the choice he made, and it's a good choice." Brown asked it again, and got the exact same response a couple of times in a row. High comedy. |
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Post by thebin on Sept 2, 2008 11:55:28 GMT -5
Making the pregnant daughter an issue is shameless and should not be an issue. Ditto with all of the other specific talking points that the Bush-hating-soldiers have been issued in the last 72 hours. They do a nice job of pretending to care about them but....
I have to say it. This was a SPECTACULARLY flubbed decision on McCain's part for one simple reason; Sarah Palin has no, and I mean ZERO, business being a heartbeat away from the presidency. This is Harriet Miers all over again. Horrible call and one that was so unnecessarily risky. This was a totally reckless stab when the game was tied. I think this might cost John McCain the White House.
I still plan to vote McCain as I'd rather have the lack of experience at the bottom than the top of the ticket, but I think my man in this race just gave the game away before it started in earnest with this silly move.
McCain had to choose between a play for the base OR the independents, either way there would have been backlash. But I guess someone forgot to tell him that no matter what he couldn't pick a nobody without a CV fit for the gig.
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Post by rosslynhoya on Sept 2, 2008 12:05:43 GMT -5
I have to say it. This was a SPECTACULARLY flubbed decision on McCain's part for one simple reason; Sarah Palin has no, and I mean ZERO, business being a heartbeat away from the presidency. This is Harriet Miers all over again. Horrible call and one that was so unnecessarily risky. This was a totally reckless stab when the game was tied. I think this might cost John McCain the White House. I have to disagree. Bush had numerous qualified options for that SCOTUS slot and Harriet had no business being near that list. McCain's top alternatives for the VP slot were marginal at best. The conservative media had been touting Palin for months and picked up their support for her significantly after Bobby Jindal stepped out of the running. Given that nothing good could come from any of the conventional wisdom picks, McCain might as well go historic: choosing a woman or a non-white. As was stated earlier in the thread, Sarah Palin is the first woman to be nominated for Veep by a major party who actually has a remote chance of winning. If it weren't for Gustav and/or Obamaphilia, the media would normally have spent a couple of weeks gushing about how important this decision was. |
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Post by Bando on Sept 2, 2008 12:06:11 GMT -5
Making the pregnant daughter an issue is shameless and should not be an issue. Ditto with all of the other specific talking points that the Bush-hating-soldiers have been issued in the last 72 hours. They do a nice job of pretending to care about them but.... I think you're trying to conflate a couple of issues here. The media fascination with her family is shameless, stupid, and disgusting and has nothing to do with her fitness or not to be VP. The fact that people would dare criticize her as a mother, when they have absolutely no freaking idea about her home life, is revolting. Other issues that speak directly to her (not her family's) governmental judgment and character, though, are fair game and can't be conflated with the family stuff. And I'm talking about her membership in the AIP, the flip-flopping on the "Bridge to Nowhere", the trooper mess (I refuse to succumb to the temptation to add "-gate" to every scandal), and other things she did while in office. I'm not speaking to the merits of these questions, only that they're valid political discourse, whereas the family crap is not. |
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Post by thebin on Sept 2, 2008 12:15:41 GMT -5
I have to say it. This was a SPECTACULARLY flubbed decision on McCain's part for one simple reason; Sarah Palin has no, and I mean ZERO, business being a heartbeat away from the presidency. This is Harriet Miers all over again. Horrible call and one that was so unnecessarily risky. This was a totally reckless stab when the game was tied. I think this might cost John McCain the White House. The list of attractive candidates might have been a lot shorter than in the case of SCOTUS and Miers, but the discrepancy in CV commensurate with the job is the same for Palin as Miers. If you drew up a list of 100 people qualified to be a heartbeat away from the presidency, Palin would not be on it, would she? Don't think like a campaign manager- that's the problem- at some point you have to make good GOVERNING decisions and not mimic the Clinton's "Win at All Costs" strategy. (Something Rove learned from.) Who would be on that list? Lieberman, who would have been a transformative candidate for a couple of reasons. Romney. Pawlenty. Crist....all would have been on that list. |
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Post by Elvado on Sept 2, 2008 12:17:04 GMT -5
News Flash!!!
As unprepared as Palin allegedly is to be a heartbeat away from the Presidency, Barry Obama is equally unprepared to take the oath (at best).
The major networks won't say it, but watch the debate develop. If the Democrats wish to debate preparedness the Republican retort is that "at least our empty suit is only running for VP".
Just for fun: Let's have an Obama supporter name an accomplishment he's had as a Senator.
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Post by thebin on Sept 2, 2008 12:22:41 GMT -5
News Flash!!! As unprepared as Palin allegedly is to be a heartbeat away from the Presidency, Barry Obama is equally unprepared to take the oath (at best). The major networks won't say it, but watch the debate develop. If the Democrats wish to debate preparedness the Republican retort is that "at least our empty suit is only running for VP". Just for fun: Let's have an Obama supporter name an accomplishment he's had as a Senator. That doesn't mean it wasn't a stupid and risky move for the GOP to take on their own inexperience burden, especially when Obama has succesfully been a national political figure for 4 years now. Why go so risky? What was the payoff? That she was a woman? It's weak. |
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Post by Bando on Sept 2, 2008 12:22:50 GMT -5
News Flash!!! As unprepared as Palin allegedly is to be a heartbeat away from the Presidency, Barry Obama is equally unprepared to take the oath (at best). The major networks won't say it, but watch the debate develop. If the Democrats wish to debate preparedness the Republican retort is that "at least our empty suit is only running for VP". Just for fun: Let's have an Obama supporter name an accomplishment he's had as a Senator. Safeguarding of nuclear weapons in former USSR, with Richard Luger. |
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Post by Elvado on Sept 2, 2008 12:28:19 GMT -5
So that's the one thing he's done other than run for President. Thanks.
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