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Post by hifigator on Dec 4, 2008 14:59:30 GMT -5
Or are these guys (and Croom) victims of (relative) instant success elsewhere by the likes of Saban, Nutt, etc? IMO, yes. It's not like Auburn and Tennessee were mired in mediocrity (although Tennessee does seem to be in a downhill slide). And as for Croom, he was only SEC coach of the year last year. I think this is ridiculous. I think you touch on a great point. In the case of Fulmer, he had simply lost the fan base. When the fans aren't behind you, then you have a tough challenge ahead of you. Even though they won the east just last year, everyone sort of thought of it as a fluke. THey were destroyed by both Florida and California last year. This year, they were just dreadful. As for Auburn, I think they are making a huge mistake. From what I hear, Tubberville had lost the support of the key boosters at Auburn. Just as losing the fan support in Tennessee will doom you, losing the booster support at Auburn has the same effect. The shellacking that Bama gave them was really the last straw. From my point of view however, I would ask who do they think they can bring in that is better than Tubberville? Just like I thought Arkansas made a bad move last year -- which has seemingly been proven by Nutt's success at Ole Miss this season -- the same is true of Auburn this year. I think that Auburn is going to get worse before they get better. |
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Post by FormerHoya on Dec 4, 2008 19:16:23 GMT -5
And as for Croom, he was only SEC coach of the year last year. I think this is ridiculous. Mike Brey has left me forever suspicious Coach of the Year awards as any type of worthwhile criteria. Maybe it's just Notre Dame Coaches of the year. Sincerely, Charlie Weis and Tyrone Willingham |
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Post by JimmyHoya on Dec 4, 2008 21:35:58 GMT -5
Apparently, the University of Washington wishes to remain irrelevant for another few years after their recent hiring announcement.... *cues RDF rant  * |
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Post by AustinHoya03 on Dec 5, 2008 1:19:49 GMT -5
Or are these guys (and Croom) victims of (relative) instant success elsewhere by the likes of Saban, Nutt, etc? IMO, yes. It's not like Auburn and Tennessee were mired in mediocrity (although Tennessee does seem to be in a downhill slide). And as for Croom, he was only SEC coach of the year last year. I think this is ridiculous. Great post -- this is almost certainly the case. There are also a good number of coaches (Carroll, Tressel) who not only had instant success at their respective schools, but have parlayed that instant success into consistent contention for conference and national titles. Re: Fulmer, he was disliked by the fan base when he couldn't win a title with superior talent (Manning) but embraced when Tee Martin led the Vols to a championship. The fan base's dislike for Fulmer has been slowly re-rising ever since. The fact that every other school's fans viewed Fulmer as a fat, whiny, backwoods schmuck with an inability to coach/win football games didn't help things. The big man's firing/forced resignation/whatever you want to call it was more a cleansing than a move necessary for the future success of Tennessee (which the fan base assumes is inevitable despite the fact the Vols just made what must be largely considered a questionable hire). As a member of a never-satisfied football fan base that mildly dislikes its coach even when winning, I get it. I'm not saying Tennessee made a smart move, but I get it. Tubberville's firing is a bit more difficult for me to understand. There are multiple reasons to believe this year's losing season was an anomaly -- not least the hiring of a new OC, the mid-season firing of said OC, and the attempt to immediately install a new offense. Tommy recruited good players, beat the Tide consistently, and won some big games (despite losing a bunch of small games, too). Not sure the Tigers will do much better -- there's certainly a good chance they fall into the territory occupied by Ole Miss (ironically, Tubberville's former employer) recently after dumping Tubberville. |
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Post by hifigator on Dec 5, 2008 2:24:10 GMT -5
Or are these guys (and Croom) victims of (relative) instant success elsewhere by the likes of Saban, Nutt, etc? IMO, yes. It's not like Auburn and Tennessee were mired in mediocrity (although Tennessee does seem to be in a downhill slide). And as for Croom, he was only SEC coach of the year last year. I think this is ridiculous. Great post -- this is almost certainly the case. There are also a good number of coaches (Carroll, Tressel) who not only had instant success at their respective schools, but have parlayed that instant success into consistent contention for conference and national titles. Re: Fulmer, he was disliked by the fan base when he couldn't win a title with superior talent (Manning) but embraced when Tee Martin led the Vols to a championship. The fan base's dislike for Fulmer has been slowly re-rising ever since. The fact that every other school's fans viewed Fulmer as a fat, whiny, backwoods schmuck with an inability to coach/win football games didn't help things. The big man's firing/forced resignation/whatever you want to call it was more a cleansing than a move necessary for the future success of Tennessee (which the fan base assumes is inevitable despite the fact the Vols just made what must be largely considered a questionable hire). As a member of a never-satisfied football fan base that mildly dislikes its coach even when winning, I get it. I'm not saying Tennessee made a smart move, but I get it. Tubberville's firing is a bit more difficult for me to understand. There are multiple reasons to believe this year's losing season was an anomaly -- not least the hiring of a new OC, the mid-season firing of said OC, and the attempt to immediately install a new offense. Tommy recruited good players, beat the Tide consistently, and won some big games (despite losing a bunch of small games, too). Not sure the Tigers will do much better -- there's certainly a good chance they fall into the territory occupied by Ole Miss (ironically, Tubberville's former employer) recently after dumping Tubberville. I concur. |
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Post by hifigator on Dec 5, 2008 2:33:32 GMT -5
who do they think they can bring in that is better than Tubberville? Nothing to see up here in Western New York. Move along, Tiger fans. Thanks for coming by. Keep moving. Hey!!! Look over in Lubbock!!! What's that!!! (hides Turner Gill behind Niagara Falls) Not that I wouldn't think that Gill would be a good hire, but I don't think they will go that direction. I think it is impossible for people around the Country to understand football in Alabama. I know we all have our "diehard fans." I know that we all have our "prominent boosters" who have excessive influence. And obviously, we all have our despised, hated enemies. I haven't hidden my total disdain for FSU ever in my life. That being said, I must admit that Alabama-Auburn just might take it to another level. Remember, Alabama fired their coach after going 10-1, but losing to Auburn. I know there were other circumstances, but come on .... can any of us suggest that "our" program would/should fire the coach after a 10-1 season, "just" because he lost to the "hated enemy?" The point is that aside from Auburn having a dramatically down year, going 5-7, they were manhandled and shutout by their hated enemy in the Iron Bowl. Add to that, the fact that Bama is undefeated and playing for a shot at the National Title, and it's not surprising that TT's time was on life support. I think it is a bad move for them. I think that Tuberville will get hired as soon as he decides to return to coaching. It wouldn't surprise me to see him sit out a year and then select the "prize" job that opens next year. In any case, I think that Auburn should go after Will Muschamp. I don't want them to, but I think that would be a good move on their part. On the other hand ... Ray Goff is still available ... |
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Post by hoyarooter on Dec 5, 2008 12:55:46 GMT -5
Auburn had beaten Alabama six straight times prior to this season. So they lost 36-0 this year. Excuuuuuuse me. I accept your explanation, hifi, but this firing is short-sighted and pointless.
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Post by RDF on Dec 5, 2008 12:59:34 GMT -5
Sarkisian getting a job as good as UW makes ZERO SENSE. I don't get that one at all--especially with the caliber of coaches that would've been more open to the job once season concluded--but guess the "USC" attraction was too great for them--and remember Sarkisian was Al Davis first choice for Raiders job before Kiffen interviewed.
I don't know-maybe this guy will prove me wrong and maybe we'll find out it was Pete Carroll who was a control freak--but I can honestly say that what Sarkisian has done while being the OC at USC has been less them impressive.
Croom stunk--and he took an awful job--you won't win but they expect you to win--and his departure isn't any big deal. The lack of minority coaches is ridiculous though--I support that argument 100% but Croom wasn't part of the solution-he is/was not a good HC.
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Post by hifigator on Dec 5, 2008 14:11:43 GMT -5
Auburn had beaten Alabama six straight times prior to this season. So they lost 36-0 this year. Excuuuuuuse me. I accept your explanation, hifi, but this firing is short-sighted and pointless. You totally misunderstood my point. I wasn't justifying the dismissal/resignation/firing at all, just explaining the misguided judgment that rules football in the state of Alabama. I too think they made a mistake. Hell, there was a love/hate relationship all along. Remember the unofficial handshake with Bobby Petrino several years back? TT was never fully accepted by the Tiger nation. That, in my opinion, is their loss. |
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Post by HeartAttackHoya on Dec 5, 2008 14:56:50 GMT -5
I hope Bobby Petrino jumps and takes the Auburn job...
Upset special of the week:
Buffalo over Ball St.
Alabama over Fla. (if u call the #1 team in the nation winning a upset)
wish I could pick Mizzou but dont see them keeping up with Blow U
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Post by hifigator on Dec 5, 2008 15:05:47 GMT -5
I hope Bobby Petrino jumps Edited and takes the Auburn job... Upset special of the week: Buffalo over Ball St. Alabama over Fla. (if u call the #1 team in the nation winning a upset) wish I could pick Mizzou but dont see them keeping up with Blow U That's too rather hefty upsets. Ball St. is favored by 15 1/2 last I checked and Florida is a 10 point favorite. |
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Post by hifigator on Dec 5, 2008 15:43:01 GMT -5
It looks like Mississippi State will land Peterson: spartyandfriends.com/2008/12/05/breaking-news-sources-confirm-chris-peterson-to-mississippi-st/If that's true, then I think it's an excellent hire for State, but not really sure why Peterson would jump at the job. I would think he would be in consideration for more of the marquee jobs -- Auburn and Washington come to mind, but I also heard that Washington is very near a deal for their new coach. Still, my instinct is that Leach will end up at Auburn and that would open up Texas Tech. That would be a great fit for Peterson. |
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Post by vcjack on Dec 5, 2008 15:53:23 GMT -5
"I think that Auburn should go after Will Muschamp"
As the designated Texas "head coach in waiting", I highly doubt he's going anywhere
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Post by hoyarooter on Dec 5, 2008 21:33:52 GMT -5
Auburn had beaten Alabama six straight times prior to this season. So they lost 36-0 this year. Excuuuuuuse me. I accept your explanation, hifi, but this firing is short-sighted and pointless. You totally misunderstood my point. I wasn't justifying the dismissal/resignation/firing at all, just explaining the misguided judgment that rules football in the state of Alabama. I too think they made a mistake. Hell, there was a love/hate relationship all along. Remember the unofficial handshake with Bobby Petrino several years back? TT was never fully accepted by the Tiger nation. That, in my opinion, is their loss. No, I totally understood your point. Perhaps I should have been clearer. I accept your explanation for the Alabama mindset, but I find that (and the firing) short-sighted and pointless. |
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Post by AustinHoya03 on Dec 5, 2008 23:21:30 GMT -5
Fight, fight for Buffalo
Be proud to fight for your dear Blue and White.
So Hit 'em high, Hit 'em low, Throw 'em high, Throw 'em low
Fight for your dear old Bulls. (Go! Bulls! Go!)
Cheer, cheer for Buffalo
Our spirit will be with you 'til the end...
So play the game as best you can
For the glory of our dear Buffalo.
Congrats to the Bulls on their first MAC championship and the biggest win in program history.
Looking forward to Whitlock's column next week.
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Post by Boz on Dec 6, 2008 10:37:47 GMT -5
Congratulations, Buffalo!
(I will never use those two words in the same sentence again, but it was deserving this time.)
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Post by hifigator on Dec 6, 2008 12:49:38 GMT -5
I enjoyed the game Buff, and I was rooting for you.
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Post by AustinHoya03 on Dec 6, 2008 15:00:55 GMT -5
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Post by AustinHoya03 on Dec 6, 2008 21:20:19 GMT -5
I'm currently trying to decide which is worse: these Dodge Ram ads or the Mizzou defense.
ON EDIT: Never mind. The Musberger/Herbstreit commentary is worse than both.
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Post by kchoya on Dec 6, 2008 21:48:16 GMT -5
I'm currently trying to decide which is worse: these Dodge Ram ads or the Mizzou defense. ON EDIT: Never mind. The Musberger/Herbstreit commentary is worse than both. It'll be interesting to see how many points Florida can put up on OU. I think the UF defense will be enough to slow down OU. Has OU seen a decent defense all year? UT must be the best they've faced. BTW, Mizzou just turned it over again. |
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