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Post by mchoya on Dec 2, 2008 19:18:04 GMT -5
Dan Wetzel re-writes his column from last year calling for a playoff: rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news;_ylt=AmuX.u6X.itsrG8EE6FqRUo5nYcB?slug=dw-playoff120208&prov=yhoo&type=lgnsAs an extremely casual follower of college football, I would like to see a playoff. The UT-OU debate coupled with Whitlock going nuts about Ball State's exclusion from the BCS discussion gives me two compelling reasons to support a playoff, while the terrible games that populate my television after Christmas give me at least six reasons to criticize the bowl system (EagleBank, magicJack St. Petersburg, International, New Mexico, Papajohns.com, Texas) |
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Post by vcjack on Dec 2, 2008 19:47:07 GMT -5
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Post by hoyarooter on Dec 2, 2008 21:51:35 GMT -5
I don't understand this. USC is going to win 1000-0 anyway. Why should they care which uniforms they wear? |
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Post by RDF on Dec 3, 2008 0:04:26 GMT -5
Hifi, you damn well know that Miami isn't a staple on the Gator schedule--so they have no excuse to not get an additional marquee game or just a good D1 game on their schedule.
Carroll and Neuheisel talked about this before the season--and both liked idea. Apparently they are trying to get this "penalty" waived--as UCLA intends to do same thing next year at USC--it's tradition and both liked idea--so it's not a "slight" to Bruins and this conversation happened long before the season even started and soon after Neuheisel got the job.
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Post by The Stig on Dec 3, 2008 0:21:46 GMT -5
sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3738795The Pac-10 says that USC will only be docked one timeout at the start of the game, not one per half. UCLA has said they will immediately call one of their own timeouts to even things up.
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Post by HoyaFanNY on Dec 3, 2008 6:52:17 GMT -5
in the old days, both ucla and usc would wear their home uni's every year. they stopped doing it in the early or mid 80's i think.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Dec 3, 2008 7:50:42 GMT -5
Good for USC--that's a nod back to the great days of the rivalry and it'll be another great game Saturday. Unlike their neighbors in Oregon, UCLA and USC have jerseys which stand the test of time.
The whole uniform rule seems to harken back to the days when the NCAA couldn't tell which team was which on their black-and-white TV sets.
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Post by hoya9797 on Dec 3, 2008 10:37:07 GMT -5
Off the top of my head, it would be the Peach Bowl against Miami in Zook's last year. Charlie Strong coached that one game after the Zooker left. On Edit: I know where you are going with that, but it is a somewhat flawed argument. When you have two quality in-state opponents like FSU and Miami that happen to be in another conference, in addition to your mandatory conference schedule, then there is really only one choice and that's whether you play your in-state foes on a home and home basis or whether you don't, instead opting for out of region opponents. This would hold water if Miami and Florida actually played every year. But, Florida put an end to that once Miami started to get really good and, as such, they have only played 3-4 regular season games in the past 20 years. There really is no good excuse for never playing a good non-conference team on the road. Every other major team finds a way to do it from time to time except Florida. Pathetic. |
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Post by kchoya on Dec 3, 2008 11:17:20 GMT -5
Off the top of my head, it would be the Peach Bowl against Miami in Zook's last year. Charlie Strong coached that one game after the Zooker left. On Edit: I know where you are going with that, but it is a somewhat flawed argument. When you have two quality in-state opponents like FSU and Miami that happen to be in another conference, in addition to your mandatory conference schedule, then there is really only one choice and that's whether you play your in-state foes on a home and home basis or whether you don't, instead opting for out of region opponents. This would hold water if Miami and Florida actually played every year. But, Florida put an end to that once Miami started to get really good and, as such, they have only played 3-4 regular season games in the past 20 years. There really is no good excuse for never playing a good non-conference team on the road. Every other major team finds a way to do it from time to time except Florida. Pathetic. 1. You Hate the Gators. We get it. Ok. 2. They just played at FSU, how is that not playing a good non-conference game on the road? 3. I think they have a decent argument that, in most years, the SEC is tough enough that FSU, sometimes Miami, and some patsies are enough. It certainly hasn't seemed to hurt them the past 15 years. |
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Post by hifigator on Dec 3, 2008 12:17:57 GMT -5
9797 wrote:
This would hold water if Miami and Florida actually played every year. But, Florida put an end to that once Miami started to get really good and, as such, they have only played 3-4 regular season games in the past 20 years. There really is no good excuse for never playing a good non-conference team on the road. Every other major team finds a way to do it from time to time except Florida. Pathetic.
At the risk of being labeled a "flamer" or the sort, I still cannot let this rubbish flounder around again:
The Florida-Miami series being interrupted had nothing to do with Miami "getting good." If dodging good teams was the goal, then even a nitwit like yourself would have to admit that the Seminoles would have been a likely candidate for such an approach over the past 20 years. As much as I despise FSU with every fiber of my being, there is no denying that they have been an elite program for the most part, during the past couple of decades.
The scheduling issue is very simple and has nothing to do with trying to avoid teams. The SEC went to an 8 game conference schedule. When this was initiated, the NCAA had an 11 game limit. There were certain exceptions, such as the "Kickoff Classic" and the "Pigskin Classic" which for some reason didn't count. Additionally, the WAC was also allowed a 12th game for no reason that I ever understood as well.
In any case, the limitations were not IN ANY WAY the result of ducking or dodging anyone. In fact, it is Miami who is unwilling to commit to an annual contract -- but more on that later.
With the 11 game limit that the NCAA mandated, and with the 8 game conference schedule, there was no way to play Miami every year without doing one of the following:
1. Play Miami only at home: Obviously Miami wouldn't agree to this and I don't think we even proposed such a silly thing.
2. Play a conference schedule other than the dictated 4 "home" and 4 "away" games: SEC rules won't allow this and obviously we never considered it.
3. Don't play FSU on an annual, home and home basis: not seriously considered, but hypothetically, if it had been, then the argument wouldn't have changed. The only change would be some fictitious argument about ducking FSU instead of Miami
4. Move the Florida-Georgia game out of Jacksonville: This is really the reason why there wasn't a home and home opportunity. The Florida-Georgia game is a conference game, and therefore a "home" game for Florida every other year and a "road" game every other year. It is officially a "road" game on the even years -- the same years that we play FSU in Tallacrappy. In the odd years, it is officially a "home" game for us, and coincides with the years that we play FSU at home.
5. Only have 5 home games some years: while this would allow many more scheduling options, this is not a fiscally feasible option. The University requires 6 home games minimum for budgetary reasons. Note that this is not unusual at all for major programs. FSU, Miami, Georgia, Bama and almost all other major programs have the same necessities, and also insist on a minimum of 6 home dates.
The bottom line is that with an 11 game, NCAA mandated limit and with an 8 game conference schedule -- 4 home and 4 away -- it was IMPOSSIBLE to have another home and home while keeping the Georgia game in Jacksonville and keeping FSU on an annual home and home basis.
Please don't embarrass yourself again by suggesting otherwise.
That being said, now that the NCAA has allowed a 12th game on an annual basis, we have additional opportunities. Unfortunately, it was Miami -- not Florida -- that wouldn't commit to an annual series, instead opting for a rotation which includes one game at each site and one neutral site over an 8 year period. Florida offered to sign a 12 year agreement with 6 games at each site.
I don't want to beat this dead horse any longer, but it does pi$$ me off when I hear some know-nothings regurgitating the same hogwash that they heard their sister's boyfriend babble about Florida "ducking" Miami. Utter nonsense.
P.S. Incidentally, back when the "Kickoff Classic" and "Pigskin Classic" were around, Florida volunteered to play Miami but the Hurricanes declined.
Basically, to all the malcontented nitwits who drink the koolaid and think that Florida ducked Miami, I politely suggest that you blow yourself.
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Post by hifigator on Dec 3, 2008 12:24:37 GMT -5
I forgot to comment on the unifiorms: I have never understood why we have the standard that the road team wears the white while the road team wears the colors. I think that it should be up to one team or the other to decide -- whether it should be the home or the road team, doesn't really matter. Basically, I think that the policy should be that either the home team or the road team gets to decide which uniform they want to wear. Then the opponent must wear the other. On a related note, LSU is famous/infamous for wearing their road whites at home night games. If I remember correctly, it is an unofficial agreement between LSU and the opponents, and LSU "makes up for it" by allowing the opponent to wear their road whites at home the next/previous year.
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Post by hoyarooter on Dec 3, 2008 13:01:42 GMT -5
in the old days, both ucla and usc would wear their home uni's every year. they stopped doing it in the early or mid 80's i think. I had totally forgotten, in my dotterage, that both teams wearing home uniforms was the tradition. That is true, and certainly explains where Carroll was coming from. There was also an article about this today in the LA Times. The NCAA should certainly forego any penalties for the sake of tradition. Tip of the cap to hifi. The Miami comment obviously touched a nerve, but I thought that was the best organized lengthy post he's ever produced (most of them being rambling and semi-coherent). |
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Post by Elvado on Dec 3, 2008 13:18:33 GMT -5
You read it here first: Alabama wins Saturday.
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Post by hifigator on Dec 3, 2008 13:40:32 GMT -5
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Post by AustinHoya03 on Dec 3, 2008 21:02:49 GMT -5
Week 15 Picks for Games That Matter:
Ball State over Buffalo (Friday)
ECU over Tulsa
GO NAVY - BEAT ARMY!
Va. Tech over BC
Florida over Alabama
SC over UCLA in the Battle for Los Angeles -- the Victory Bell remains painted cardinal and gold
Oklahoma over Mizzou
Arizona over Arizona State in The (other) Big Game for the Territorial Cup
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Post by HoyaFanNY on Dec 4, 2008 7:10:00 GMT -5
the big question in the usc-ucla game....does ucla get a first down before nd did against usc?  it took offensive genius charlie tuna's team until the last play of the third quarter to get a first down last week. will ucla be as pathetic??? |
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Post by Boz on Dec 4, 2008 9:57:11 GMT -5
It probably doesn't help that ESPN starts a "Who's on the hot seat" discussion after, like, Week 3 every year.
No, it's not fair to place the blame for everything that's wrong with sports at the foot of the Worldwide Leader, but seeing as how they constantly crow about the good things they've added, we can acknowledge their role in all of the bad. (I, for one, am VERY interested to see if they try to tone down the BCS bashing that goes on now that they have the TV contract.)
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Post by kchoya on Dec 4, 2008 11:13:34 GMT -5
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Post by hoyarooter on Dec 4, 2008 12:44:12 GMT -5
Or are these guys (and Croom) victims of (relative) instant success elsewhere by the likes of Saban, Nutt, etc?
IMO, yes. It's not like Auburn and Tennessee were mired in mediocrity (although Tennessee does seem to be in a downhill slide). And as for Croom, he was only SEC coach of the year last year. I think this is ridiculous.
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Post by Jack on Dec 4, 2008 13:36:19 GMT -5
And as for Croom, he was only SEC coach of the year last year. I think this is ridiculous. Mike Brey has left me forever suspicious Coach of the Year awards as any type of worthwhile criteria. |
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it took offensive genius charlie tuna's team until the last play of the third quarter to get a first down last week. will ucla be as pathetic??? 
