ichirohoya
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Post by ichirohoya on Oct 16, 2008 15:17:33 GMT -5
I'm with Boz on this one. I've got nothing against PTI. In fact, I prefer getting my late afternoon sports news fix from PTI than from sportscenter. PTI is free from lengthy special reports from tram training camps, idiotic segments such as "Who's Now" and "Titletown USA," and to top it off, PTI is presented in a nice pleasing 30 minute format. Its pretty rare that I feel like PTI is having to hype otherwise un-noteworthy items in order to fill its alotted time.
As for the self-promotion angle, despite being a pretty regular viewer of Around the Horn and PTI, I have never ever gone out of my way to read a column by ANYONE who appears on either show. Maybe they're promoting their careers as talking heads, but, they sure aren't drawing readership to their columns.
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Post by ichirohoya on Oct 16, 2008 15:22:29 GMT -5
And in response to several games going down to the wire this past sunday I would like to argue that a close final score, or a dramatic finish does not make a game "good."
Good finishes do not equal good games. A good game edge of your chair exciting from kickoff to close. I'd contend that those have been in short supply recently.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Oct 16, 2008 15:41:14 GMT -5
I like PTI and LeBatard -- but Marriotti is a blowhard. Actually, of the bunch, LeBatard knows his stuff the best and is the most open-minded.
That said, it doesn't work on Monday Night Football. Kornheiser almost seems to get dumber -- as if he is told to not know anything about football -- and it comes off ridiculous.
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Post by FewFAC on Oct 16, 2008 23:53:45 GMT -5
Watching ESPN coverage of live sports makes me yearn for Van Earl Wright.
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Post by SirSaxa on Oct 19, 2008 15:20:30 GMT -5
Rams 34 'Boys 14.
OK, we know ROMO was out but.... these guys are still telling us this is a Superbowl team, has the most talent in the NFL, etc.
My opinion? 1. Team has good talent, but not the best in the League. 2. Jerry Jones exerts far too much control and emasculates the Head Coach. This could be referred to as "Al Davis Syndrome".
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Post by RDF on Oct 19, 2008 15:50:42 GMT -5
Rams 34 'Boys 14. OK, we know ROMO was out but.... these guys are still telling us this is a Superbowl team, has the most talent in the NFL, etc. My opinion? 1. Team has good talent, but not the best in the League. 2. Jerry Jones exerts far too much control and emasculates the Head Coach. This could be referred to as "Al Davis Syndrome". I'll make it more simple for everyone: 1. Your Organization won when you hired a man who KNEW TALENT and WAS TOUGH ON THEM--i.e moving training Camp from California to HEAT of Texas. What have Cowboys done since? They went back to being "nice" to the players. Jimmy Johnson was about hitting/being physical everyday in practice. These guys are SOFT. 2. Who is talented on Dallas team? Championship caliber talent? DeMarcus Ware. I think Romo is very good, Owens is a high level player, Newman when healthy is good, and Ratliff. Witten is overrated-he doesn't hurt you at all because he's not fast enough to do damage after the catch and for a big guy who is a good blocker--he gets stopped short of 1st down more often then any player in NFL. 3. A team that has less talent then hyped--who is SOFT doesn't compete for championships.
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Post by vcjack on Oct 19, 2008 18:31:47 GMT -5
Crazy ass game in Chicago. The last time the Bears scored 48 points was 22 years ago and they did it today against probably one of the better defenses in the NFL. And I haven't checked but the 89 total points has to be a Soldier Field record. I despise the orange alternate jerseys but they seem to work.
And yes that pass interference call in the endzone was laughably wrong but it was redemption for Minnesota's win against Detroit
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Post by bubbrubbhoya on Oct 20, 2008 12:46:12 GMT -5
Trent Edwards is nasty. That is all. What he said.
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Post by JimmyHoya on Oct 20, 2008 13:15:19 GMT -5
And in response to several games going down to the wire this past sunday I would like to argue that a close final score, or a dramatic finish does not make a game "good." Good finishes do not equal good games. A good game edge of your chair exciting from kickoff to close. I'd contend that those have been in short supply recently. Whose your team? Who do you watch in Honolulu? The Redskins could win every game 2-0 and I'd still be on the edge of my seat. It's all a frame of mind, my friend.
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Post by hoyarooter on Oct 20, 2008 20:59:29 GMT -5
Now I don't follow pro football as closely as I used to (not since I was abandoned by the Rams), but when I saw the Bear/Viking highlights, I thought to myself, when the heck did the Bears start wearing Orange uniforms? I mean really, is there anything more inappropriate than the Monsters of the Midway wearing orange? Puh-leaze!
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Post by SirSaxa on Oct 27, 2008 19:36:39 GMT -5
NY Giants... 7 games into the season...6-1 record and the LEAD the NFL in SACKS! After losing Michael Strahan and Osi Umenyiora! Incredible.
Steve Spagnola must be one helluva Defensive coordinator!
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Post by FewFAC on Nov 3, 2008 22:24:11 GMT -5
1. The Bears break out those horrendous orange jerseys at least once a year. I try very hard to forget why.
2. The New York Football Giants put a smackdown on Dallas yesterday. That game could have been exceedingly ugly had New York wanted it to be that way. If nothing else, they seem to have learned what Belichek & Co. didn't: spanking teams only highlights you on the radar.
3. Tennessee doesn't seem to be a fluke, but it doesn't feel like it will translate to post-season success.
4. Bears are in trouble with every snap Rex takes.
5. How much is Jerry Jones wishing he had taken a flyer on Daunte Culpepper right now? How much is Culpepper regretting signing with Detroit?
Halfway through and it's only starting.
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Post by RDF on Dec 15, 2008 0:43:25 GMT -5
Buff, which guy is responsible for being a degenerate gambler to the point he THREW THE GAME today? HOW/WHY do you call a play action pass when the Jets couldn't tackle either Bills RB and it was their only way they would win that game? Favre is washed up beyond comprehension and seeing him celebrate as if he did anything was truly sad--the Bills TANKED THE GAME and that play call should have someone answering some serious questions regarding tanking a game. That was horrible.
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Post by TBird41 on Dec 15, 2008 9:48:18 GMT -5
If Tarvaris Jackson plays the way he's played the last game and a half, these Vikings have a legitimate shot at making the Super Bowl (true, it was the Cardinals and Lions, but both were road games, and he'll have a chance to prove himself against the Falcons and Giants). He's making the throws he never made prior to his benching this year. And their defense is playing out of their minds, and is dominating the pass and the run. And they still have the Purple Jesus.
(Yes, I'm being a Homer, but really, did anyone expect the Purple to kill the Cardinals and hold them to 7 offensive points? I know I didn't)
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Post by Boz on Dec 15, 2008 10:32:24 GMT -5
Not to change the subject from the misery that is Buffalo, NY, but I need to ask what everyone thinks of the call at the end of the Ravens-Steelers game.
I am ridiculously too biased to be objective in this case.
However, I thought the rule was that as long as you had your feet in the end zone and made the catch, then it's a touchdown. In that case, Holmes definitely scored.
But that's not the explanation the referee gave. He said that the feet were not relevant to the call, that the ball broke the plane, which I really don't think it ever did.
Don't get me wrong, I am Editeded at the defense. You simply do not give up a 92-yard drive at the end of a game with the division and playoffs on the line. If you do, you can't cry foul at all. The Steelers won the 4th quarter hands down, and in any Ravens-Steelers game, the team that does that is the team that's going to win.
So, while I am intrigued by that call, and I think it was the wrong call (given the explanation from the referee), I am not going to whine that it cost the game. Not getting to Roethlesberger in the 4th quarter cost the game (oh, and not scoring any touchdowns of your own; that doesn't really help).
Hopefully the Ravens can rally and make the playoffs. I think they should be able to take Dallas next week.
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Post by Jack on Dec 15, 2008 10:44:52 GMT -5
I am not going to enjoy rooting for the Boys vs. the Murdering Linebackers next week. But it is partially Dick Jauron's fault that I am in this position.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Dec 15, 2008 11:01:39 GMT -5
I always thought the call was where the ball was. It's a tough call because you're judging where the ball was when possession occurred. There's no doubt the ball broke the plane at some point, but when did he establish possession?
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Post by Boz on Dec 15, 2008 11:19:45 GMT -5
After discussion, the ref gets on the horn and announces (verbatim, I think), "There is no penalty for illegal formation. Number 79 was confused, but he did line up correctly." That made me laugh. EDIT: Oh yeah... go to hell, Ralph Wilson. Yeah, that was pretty funny. I liked Phil Simms' response too: "Was #79 confused.....or was the referee confused?" MY dad rejoices at the Bills misery, but I have a soft spot for them, probably because I don't live up there anymore. If I did, I'd probably hate them like I hate the Redskins (nice effort yesterday, by the way). I always thought they deserved to win at least one of those Super Bowls, either the first one or the second Dallas game. I am bummed about how this season has played out, but since I don't get to see many Bills games down here, I don't know the cause of the losses, so I will take everyone's word for it that it is all Dick Jauron and Ralph Wilson's fault. Seems reasonable.
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Post by RDF on Dec 15, 2008 12:30:02 GMT -5
If Tarvaris Jackson plays the way he's played the last game and a half, these Vikings have a legitimate shot at making the Super Bowl (true, it was the Cardinals and Lions, but both were road games, and he'll have a chance to prove himself against the Falcons and Giants). He's making the throws he never made prior to his benching this year. And their defense is playing out of their minds, and is dominating the pass and the run. And they still have the Purple Jesus. (Yes, I'm being a Homer, but really, did anyone expect the Purple to kill the Cardinals and hold them to 7 offensive points? I know I didn't) Well--it sure didn't hurt that Arizona acted as if they won the Super Bowl by clinching the worst division in football. They were not ready to play and Wisenhunt got what he deserved for taking it so easy on them--wonder if he took a "Victory Lap" as he did earlier in year? With that said--Vikings are playing very well and have as good of a shot as anyone--question is--if Frerotte is ready to go--who plays QB?
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Post by RDF on Dec 15, 2008 12:32:22 GMT -5
And trust me, RDF... people have been calling for Jauron's head since after the Dallas debacle LAST YEAR. Hell, most people didn't even want him hired. The guy is a joke, but only in Ralph Wilson's warped mind is he worth keeping around. Wilson also blames everything on the team "not having enough talent," giving the coaches passes because they don't "make tackles" or kick the ball or run the plays. Its clear he's STILL hung up on Donohoe "burning" him when Ralph gave him full run of the franchise, and somehow still puts the blame at his feet. Hey Ralph... just because Donohoe sucked doesn't mean every personnel guy sucks. Look at Miami. Atlanta. Immediate turnarounds with competent GM's and head coaches. Ugh... I'm not going to belabor that point, unless someone wants to talk via PM. Ralph is an idiot. I've defended him through the years simply because he's kept the team here. But no more. The guy is a joke. A pathetic old man who is hanging onto the "glory days" and the 80's ways of doing business in the NFL. A complete, pathetic joke of an old geezer who needs to die. And if the Bills are sold off and leave, so be it. I'll be Editeded and probably never watch the NFL again, but I'd rather be put out of my misery sooner than have this garbage drag on another four seasons until our lease in Orchard Park runs out. Die, Ralph. You're terrible. My condolences Buff--that was a disgusting display of ineptitude yesterday.
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