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Post by TBird41 on Oct 10, 2008 6:26:26 GMT -5
I hate the Packers, but you can't argue that team is rebuilding. They lost like 3 players from last year's team, and they're still one of the youngest teams in the NFL. They've been having a lot of injury problems the last two weeks, which is the main reason they couldn't stop the Falcons. I'll agree to a degree re: the Vikings: a great coach could get them to the Super Bowl. I rally don't think, though, the Vikings are the coaches fault: there's no QB on the Vikings roster that could really get the ball downfield enough to open up the box for Peterson. That's just execution. When the coach is the GM, the lack of a QB on the roster is his fault. Childress bought the bad ingredients and then he made a crappy meal with them
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Post by SirSaxa on Oct 12, 2008 23:11:25 GMT -5
I only saw part of the Cowboys v Cards game. But Zona ran he opening kick off all the way back for a TD to start the game. Then they blocked a Cowboy game-tieing FG as time expired.....but their own coach had called T/O so they had to do it again. Second chance, the 'Boys made it. Send the game to OT In OT the Boys go 3 and out, punt, punt gets blocked, Cards get TD win the game.
So... in the short portions I saw, the Boys Special teams looked really really bad... giving up a TD on a kickoff return Getting their FG attempt block Suffering a game ending blocked punt.
Congrats to the Cardinals. But Championship teams with Championship caliber coaches don't suffer those kinds of special teams failures.
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Post by SirSaxa on Oct 12, 2008 23:12:59 GMT -5
Too bad Chad Pennington couldn't quite pull the dolphins through, losing 29-28. But he has made the fins a threat every week. Smart, very capable guy... who does not and never did have a rocket arm.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2008 8:05:14 GMT -5
The Skins can win the NFC East---they'll be 7-1 going into their game with Steelers prior to their BYE... RDF - you forgot "Assuming they don't GAG against the Rams at home."
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Post by RDF on Oct 13, 2008 12:11:27 GMT -5
The Skins can win the NFC East---they'll be 7-1 going into their game with Steelers prior to their BYE... RDF - you forgot "Assuming they don't GAG against the Rams at home." Yep--and the Pete Kendall play was just ignorant. When will OL learn to just go down when they have ball or in Kendall's case-don't catch the ball--just knock it down for an incomplete pass. I have to admit--Matt Ryan has proved me 100% wrong. I thought the speed of game would be too much for him because he stunk against faster defenses--but he's done a wonderful job of being composed, making great decisions and most importantly bringing stability to QB position for Atlanta. With "Tony Turnover" out--the Boys and their fans get to enjoy Master of the "None Yard Pass" Brad Johnson. I honestly expect them to lose to Rams this weekend and not make playoffs. Johnson is terrible. You have a 3rd and 5--you will get a 1 yard completion. Countdown to Terrell Owens losing his mind and going off........with "None Yard" as his QB? He's not getting ball with Romo--how the hell will he with this guy? Also--when QB's are out-you have to rely on your defense/special teams--oh wait--it's Dallas--nevermind. They are DONE. As for the Chargers administering a butt kicking to the Pats last night--that was a beatdown. If I hear one more Patriot homer with the "We didn't know what we had in Brady until......." as if Belichick is some wizard who can make anyone better--please. It's about players--and I love Belichick's defensive mind--but Tom Brady is why this team has had success and without him--they are like rest of trash in NFL. Nice to see NFL rigging a game against the Lions yesterday too. If you haven't seen the Calvin Johnson "fumble" call--please watch and explain the ruling of a "fumble" when a man is laying on the ground and then ball is ripped out by LB who was in on tackle? Same ruling on Monday Night went in Vikings favor too--with Adrian Peterson losing control of ball but having part of his fingers on ball which allowed them to retain possession. They are either trying to get support behind a new stadium for Vikes or just want everyone 3-3 to create "excitement". Speaking of Vikings--are their fans as tired of hearing the "Adrian Peterson has strongest handshake in world" note every week? If that is case--why does he fumble the ball so much? It's like the old Joey Browner has "strongest hands in game due to his Karate training" crap from old days.
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Post by Elvado on Oct 13, 2008 18:03:26 GMT -5
Any truth that Romo broke his finger when TO sat down unexpectedly?
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Post by Boz on Oct 13, 2008 18:27:28 GMT -5
With "Tony Turnover" out--the Boys and their fans get to enjoy Master of the "None Yard Pass" Brad Johnson. ;D - Line of the week. Well done, RDF.
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Post by kchoya on Oct 14, 2008 17:03:47 GMT -5
Wow - four draft picks for Roy Williams? Just imagine how many WR's the Lions can draft now!
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Post by SFHoya99 on Oct 14, 2008 17:52:27 GMT -5
Is Roy Williams going to play DB alongside the other Roy Williams? Because otherwise I'm not sure this helps all that much.
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Post by SirSaxa on Oct 14, 2008 22:37:15 GMT -5
I think Roy helps the Cowboys a lot right now... or at least as soon as ROMO comes back. But does he help enough? And they gave up a lot to get him. Leaving that part aside, adding a top WR who demands double coverage will open up the passing game for other receivers AND the running game - assuming the Cowboy O-line is up to the task.
Good move to get him, but I am surprised Detroit was able to pry that much away with probably few other buyers. Millen would not have made the deal. Good for Detroit in the long run, if they have someone talented running their draft next Spring.
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Post by RDF on Oct 15, 2008 11:13:26 GMT -5
Roy Williams already agreed to a 5 year extension once he was traded--Dallas announced that immediately.
Dallas got a good deal here--and I've been bashing them all year--but if they come out of this next stretch of games 2-1 heading into their BYE--and start getting players back--that offense is going to be much better then what they were last year or showing this year. Football is about getting space--and with Williams opposite Owens--it means you can't double and man up on other side as Dallas was seeing--with nobody respecting Crayton as an outside WR and Miles Austin is good-but he's not proven other then being able to run downfield.
Guy who will benefit the most--Witten. Other guy who will benefit--Barber. It'll also give Romo more time--because if you choose to blitz--he's got another guy who can make a play and you can't predict where he's going to look at in a tight spot.
Dallas move is getting knocked-but let's be honest. That team has a substandard Special Teams and marginal Defense--if they are to compete--they need an elite offensive unit that puts up points and forces teams to match them--and hope they can St. Louis Ram their way to a run. Not saying they will--but it's the right move for right now.
Team will either gain momentum or fold in the next 3 weeks, but this move was right one for Dallas, and it's obvious I'm not high on them--but I give Jerry Jones credit for getting Roy Williams.
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Post by Boz on Oct 15, 2008 11:26:58 GMT -5
I'd give him more credit if he tried to get a good defensive end or nosetackle.
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Post by RDF on Oct 15, 2008 13:47:16 GMT -5
I don't think Dallas is a championship team--as I've said all along--but I think this move is going to give them their best chance to win/compete. If you can't stop people and your special teams stink--you better score a lot of points and they were starting to struggle with Owens getting doubled-with press coverage on him at LOS and Safety over top. Witten is a very good player--but he's not a game breaker. He is move chains type--so teams can live with his production. Now he'll be able to get more yards because he won't have teams knowing he's where Romo's going if Owens is stopped.
Dallas didn't get a good defensive player via trade now--because nobody who would help them is available. You can't get something that is not out there. Their best shot is to say "we're going to score points-and you have to match us with TD's"--which I think will not only happen--but I expect them to lose 2 of the 3 games they have with Johnson starting--although I could see Romo returning against Bucs if they lose to Rams this weekend--which could happen.
I give Jerry Jones credit for doing the smart thing--you help the side of the ball that is your best--it's better to have one elite unit in today's NFL then to try and be a "good" all around team. If you can score 30-35 ppg, you'll win to get into Playoffs and as we've seen after that it's a matter of who is hot.
Now again-I don't expect Dallas to do anything--but that move helped his team more then getting another CB or DL--or even LB--because you can't help your defense as much with 1 guy as you can your offense--because defense needs about 5-6 new players to make them a championship level defense. Dallas runs a 3-4 but is too small on the nose--and doesn't get enough pressure from their front. Their ILB SUCK---which is a big problem in 3-4 and they are a bad blitz team. If Newman can return--and Mike Jenkins--who is actually Cowboys best cover corner behind Newman--holds up--they should play more press coverage and give their average pass rush an extra second/two to rush.
Any team that scores TD's is dangerous--which is why Dallas offense has potential to be what was hyped prior to this move. They did well without Williams--but it just opens the field up for everyone to have balance on both sides at WR.
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Post by ichirohoya on Oct 15, 2008 15:47:08 GMT -5
I apologize up front for the somewhat negative tone of this post, but, I think it needs to be said.
Thus far, the 2008-2009 NFL season has been the least exciting, dullest, saddest set of games I can remember. Media Coverage of the NFL has hit a new low, blanket mediocrity has smothered the league, and we're left with a grand total of zero compelling storylines.
1) Media Coverage: Who gets more airtime now on TV, Ed Werder reporting from Cowboys camp or the guys who actually report the game highlights? ESPN might as well make the guy a sportscenter co-host. Maybe if there were something of note actually happening on the field it would supplant "Days of Our Lives: Dallas Cowboys Edition" as ESPN's favorite segment, but, we'll never know.
Who died and made Brian Billick qualified to announce football games? I don't know how many times I had to hear him refer to Kyle Orton as Kyle Boller on Sunday, but, it was more than once. Maybe the man needs some therapy. Using a First Round Pick on Boller in 2003 must still be haunting his dreams.
Kornheiser needs someone in the booth with whom he can banter back and forth. Until provided with such a sparring partner, MNF coverage will remain LAME.
Are CBS and Fox colluding with the NFL to make us all buy the various viewing packages offered by DirectTV et al? Why in the name of common sense was my national game this week Bears vs Falcons? How many more Dolphins games must I endure? And I'm in Honolulu for crying out loud. If anything, you'd think i'd get stuck watching bad west coast teams, but no, I'm getting the dregs of east-coast NFL games.
2: Blanket Mediocrity: Quick, name a great team in the NFL this year. With the Patriots neutered by Brady's injury, who in the AFC is actually really good? What pundits call parity, I call EVERYONE IS MEDIOCRE. The defending super bowl champs looked like a pop warner team on monday night losing to a Browns team that is underachieving. The Cowboys ain't blowing people away. The Redskins lost to a dreadful St Louis team. The Broncos lost to the Cheifs. Oh, and the Detriot Lions are still in the league. That kills NFL credibility too.
And its not only the players who have embraced mediocrity, the officiating has stunk too. Ask a Chargers fan about how the officiating has been this year. Officials deciding the outcome of games and the league appologizing for blown calls. Lovely!
3) No good storylines: Lets see, what are we watching for? Will Pacman Jones play again? Will the Lions win a game? What stars are we watching? Who is playing in the NFL right now that we will all brag to our grandchildren about having seen play? What has happened this year that we might even remember 10 years from now?
All that being said, for some reason, I still set my alarm for 7am on Sunday mornings so i can catch the 1pm EST kickoffs here in Hawaii. Why I do that I just don't know. I feel a little like George Costanza when he was trying to get Susan to break off their engagement. Turning green while pretending to be hooked on smoking he coughs out "I can't stop now! I'm addicted. They've got a hold of me!" before dashing the the bathroom to puke. More and more, that describes my relationship with the NFL.
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Post by SirSaxa on Oct 15, 2008 18:18:25 GMT -5
whoa Ichiro!
Last sunday there were about half a dozen games that were decided by last second scores, or multiple scores in the last couple minutes, and OT!
half way through the season, it will be more apparent who the really good teams are.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Oct 15, 2008 19:02:16 GMT -5
I'd say the Giants are pretty darn good.
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Post by TBird41 on Oct 15, 2008 20:09:18 GMT -5
whoa Ichiro! Last sunday there were about half a dozen games that were decided by last second scores, or multiple scores in the last couple minutes, and OT! half way through the season, it will be more apparent who the really good teams are. Yeah, but the NFL doesn't get credit for games like the Lions-Vikings or Rams-Redskins where one team played awful and the other team was awful. Cowboys-Arizona was a good game though.
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Post by HoyaFanNY on Oct 16, 2008 6:33:44 GMT -5
kornheiser is a hack and completely useless in the MNF booth. take the comb-over back to PTI with that other arrogant wilbon. the thing i hate most about espn is that they have made these bitter sports writers that are more concerned about promoting themselves than talking about sports actually somewhat famous. the whole concept of middle aged sports writers arguing on tv jumped the shark about 3 years ago.
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Post by RDF on Oct 16, 2008 13:00:06 GMT -5
kornheiser is a hack and completely useless in the MNF booth. take the comb-over back to PTI with that other arrogant wilbon. the thing i hate most about espn is that they have made these bitter sports writers that are more concerned about promoting themselves than talking about sports actually somewhat famous. the whole concept of middle aged sports writers arguing on tv jumped the shark about 3 years ago. Nominate this for POST OF YEAR!!! ;D
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Post by Boz on Oct 16, 2008 14:43:37 GMT -5
OK, I have to admit, I kinda' like LeBatard. I think he's a pretty funny guy.
As I've mentioned before, I like Kornheiser and Wilbon in the PTI milieu, but I don't watch, read or listen to them very much outside of that anymore. Do either of them even WRITE anymore?
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