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Post by Boz on Dec 22, 2008 16:44:09 GMT -5
4) Sportswriters really don't like Belichick very much so, despite points 1-3, which are very good, I don't think there's any way he wins it, particularly if the Pats miss the playoffs.
Not saying he's not a worthy candidate this year, but he won't win.
(Yes, the sportswriters gave it to him last year, but really, how can you NOT give it to the coach of a 16-0 team?)
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Post by SirSaxa on Dec 22, 2008 18:44:36 GMT -5
I think Bellichick should win it for the following three reasons: 1) When Brady went down everyone said "Let's see what he can do without the Tom Terrific..." Well, the jury is in. Turns out he can turn a career back up quarterback into the most sought after free agent quarterback on the market and win at least 10 games. Sure, he might not make the playoffs, but even his biggest detractors have to admit it is somewhat astounding. 2) We know he's clearly not cheating anymore. If anyone is being watched week in and week out, it's Mr. Bellichick and his staff, so we know these results are on the up and up. 3) Not only did Brady go down, but the Pats have lost starters at just about every skill position on both sides of the ball. For example, I suggest you look at the runningbacks, safeties and linebackers currently lining up for the Pats. It's laughable. Belichik winning with a team that went 18-0 last year and a back up QB is not as impressive to me as Miami improving from 1-15 to 10-5 with a discarded QB with a weak arm that was even weaker after two shoulder surgeries.
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Post by SirSaxa on Dec 22, 2008 18:48:09 GMT -5
11. BUMPKIN BOY vs Pennington for AFC East this weekend!!! Will Favre continue his embarrassingly awful play and show why QB's should show up in Spring to lift/workout--specifically on footwork and fundamentals or will he be rewarded with another team tanking for him? Oh wait--Dick Jauron's check cleared--and Tony Soprano is facing the "Man-genius"--who we know is a fan seeing him in episode. Taking the Fins over Bumpkin Boy who couldn't beat Seattle or San Francisco away from Meadowlands or Denver at home or division was there for them. RDF... just checking, but it seems there might be a hidden compliment, or at least acknowledgment, that the Dolphins head man whom you often accuse of being a fraud just might know what he's doing afterall???
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Post by RDF on Dec 23, 2008 1:08:47 GMT -5
11. BUMPKIN BOY vs Pennington for AFC East this weekend!!! Will Favre continue his embarrassingly awful play and show why QB's should show up in Spring to lift/workout--specifically on footwork and fundamentals or will he be rewarded with another team tanking for him? Oh wait--Dick Jauron's check cleared--and Tony Soprano is facing the "Man-genius"--who we know is a fan seeing him in episode. Taking the Fins over Bumpkin Boy who couldn't beat Seattle or San Francisco away from Meadowlands or Denver at home or division was there for them. RDF... just checking, but it seems there might be a hidden compliment, or at least acknowledgment, that the Dolphins head man whom you often accuse of being a fraud just might know what he's doing afterall??? We'll see--this is what Parcells does--he did it in Dallas with Quincy Carter his first year--and then it was all down hill after he started enforcing "his type" of guys on the team. I will say bringing Jeff Ireland--who was responsible for telling that moron to draft DeMarcus Ware instead of Marcus Spears with first of the two 1st Round picks was great move and Sparano/Soprano is doing things his own way too--which is good because Parcells would think Ricky Williams should get the ball 100 times while Ronnie Brown would've been cut.
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Post by hifigator on Dec 23, 2008 13:24:44 GMT -5
Coach of the year thoughts: 1) I'd give it to Sporano, especially if they win the division. 1-15 to a ten win season is RIDICULOUS. Give it to the man. 2) Mike Smith is a close second, especially considering he had to do it all with a rookie QB. 3) As much as the Pats have had a good season, I wouldn't give it to Belicheck for the simple fact he's had the easiest schedule in the NFL. The Dolphins isn't much harder, but it IS harder. Atlanta's is the toughest of the three. I think it's s two man race between Sporano and Smith. It's hard to say who deserves it more. They really are both very worthy candidates. I too, heard Belicheck's name thrown around, but just last week I also heard a couple of National guys suggesting Shanahan. What a joke. He pointed out that the Broncos had lost 6 running backs and were forced to start 5 different rookies on defense at one point or another and were still only a win away from securing a spot in the playoffs. By my count, they are still that one win away, with only a season ending loss to the Chargers left to go.
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Post by hoyarooter on Dec 23, 2008 14:11:45 GMT -5
Coach of the year thoughts: 1) I'd give it to Sporano, especially if they win the division. 1-15 to a ten win season is RIDICULOUS. Give it to the man. 2) Mike Smith is a close second, especially considering he had to do it all with a rookie QB. 3) As much as the Pats have had a good season, I wouldn't give it to Belicheck for the simple fact he's had the easiest schedule in the NFL. The Dolphins isn't much harder, but it IS harder. Atlanta's is the toughest of the three. I think it's s two man race between Sporano and Smith. It's hard to say who deserves it more. They really are both very worthy candidates. I too, heard Belicheck's name thrown around, but just last week I also heard a couple of National guys suggesting Shanahan. What a joke. He pointed out that the Broncos had lost 6 running backs and were forced to start 5 different rookies on defense at one point or another and were still only a win away from securing a spot in the playoffs. By my count, they are still that one win away, with only a season ending loss to the Chargers left to go. The interesting thing about this is there was a rumor reported in the LA Times this morning that Shanahan's job may be on the line this week. Now he may not be coach of the year material, but given the tribulations he has had to deal with this season, firing him for blowing the division would be insane.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Dec 23, 2008 19:06:08 GMT -5
Sparano. I don't think he's the best coach (Belicheck, Fisher, etc.), but he's obviously made a huge difference there.
Both him and Smith ended up getting very nice new QBs, but I'm pretty amazed at how much better the Dolphins are.
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Post by Boz on Dec 24, 2008 9:36:48 GMT -5
Getting rid of Taylor and putting Porter back into an OLB spot in the 3-4 has made a HUGE difference for that defense. Everyone crushed him for it at the time, but Parcells was ON THE MONEY when he got rid of a guy who is more interested in his post-football Hollywood career than winning games, and has a reputation as a mediocre locker room guy. I don't know what you're talking about. Jason Taylor has been BRILLIANT for the Redskins.
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Post by TBird41 on Dec 28, 2008 16:49:02 GMT -5
This week in "Ways the Vikings torture their fans": The Purple fumble the ball 7 times, forcing their fans to root for their most hated rival in order to make the playoffs. And no, the Vikes aren't beating the Giants starters or their backups on Sunday I was almost right. Can't say I mind being wrong though. NFC NORTH CHAMPS ;D ;D ;D
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Post by RDF on Dec 28, 2008 18:30:36 GMT -5
Well the Cowboys made me look good all year. What a CLOWN SHOW that organization is and until Jerry Jones and his leather face are gone--by death or just being intelligent enough to move aside, they'll NEVER win another playoff game.
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Post by RockawayHoya on Dec 28, 2008 19:11:32 GMT -5
Cowboys = FAIL As for the Pats, seems like they are still receiving karmic retribution for all of those "Eff-You" TDs last year. Earlier this year, I was at Summers on a Sunday, and watched as one Miami fan sang the Dolphins fight song (I honestly had no idea they even had one) and got a standing ovation as the Dolphins blew out the Pats. Unbelievably, that game made all the difference. Somewhere, that guy must have a huge grin on his face.
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Post by kghoya on Dec 28, 2008 19:52:17 GMT -5
glad to see the cowboys and patriots miss out on the playoffs
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Post by RDF on Dec 28, 2008 19:57:27 GMT -5
This has been a sweet day of redemption--I hated this Dallas team since offseason--just a clown show of morons who ACT like they've dominated the NFL and haven't won a thing, and then seeing the MASTER OF SELF PROMOTION---Brett "Bumpkin Boy" Favre stink it up and end his pathetic year in misery. EXPLETIVE you and your non work ethic. Happy for Ravens, Dolphins, and Falcons for hiring guys who aren't "names"--and were just guys who like to coach football and do so in a manner that required accountability and work ethic. Also have to say how great it was to see someone who cares about football like Brian Dawkins get another shot at Playoffs--while the pansies in the Star got punked like they deserved. On a side note-Brady might not be able to play in '09 now and Romo sucks anytime edited --and what do they have in common? Curse of Giselle and Romo can't handle edited -which proves why he was an undrafted goblin. MOD NOTE: Keep it clean. We know how difficult that is for you.
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Post by SirSaxa on Dec 28, 2008 20:00:11 GMT -5
Well the Cowboys made me look good all year. What a CLOWN SHOW that organization is and until Jerry Jones and his leather face are gone--by death or just being intelligent enough to move aside, they'll NEVER win another playoff game. I don't know for sure, but looking back it appears that when Jerry Jones apparently overruled Parcells and signed T. Owens, that was the beginning of the end. I realize you see it very differently RDF. As a NYer who watched Bill build the Giants and make them a Two Time Superbowl winner, then do the same kind of rebuilding job with New England, returned to NY and did it again with the Jets, built the Cowboys from awful to becoming a top team (until Jerry started poking his nose in again) and now Parcells does it again with Miami. It seems like you would have to be pretty biased to deny a 5 time rebuilding phenom and give the credit to everyone else. The Cowboys have a ton of talent. But they don't win because the players are in charge. They know they can always go to Jerry. Wade Phillips is a nice man, a good Coordinator, but is NOT a head coach. Jerry is becoming the new Al Davis. I do agree with you completely on your final comment. Unless Jerry stands aside and lets some football professionals take over, his team will keep on disappointing.
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Post by SirSaxa on Dec 28, 2008 20:02:52 GMT -5
BTW, Miami and Chad Pennington deserve all the awards and accolades that come there way. Chad is and always has been one heckuva leader. From his days at Marshall when he was tossing TDs to Randy Moss... that guy is a very classy and smart QB. And he shares the Kudos for pulling that team together and make them believe.
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Post by Boz on Dec 28, 2008 20:31:27 GMT -5
My coach of the year......John Harbaugh!!!
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OK, so I'm biased. Never mentioned him before since I didn't want to jinx today's game. Obviously, all of the other candidates listed are very worthy, and Harbaugh won't win because of the defense he inherited, I'd just like to see him in the top 3-4 vote getters.
I can't believe I'm saying this, but I do feel bad for the New England players and fans (if not for the Dark Lord). 11-5 and missing the playoffs is really tough, especially since, after tonight, a 9-7 or even 8-8 team is going to get in. That's weak.
People who I DON'T feel sorry for? Pretty much everyone RDF mentioned.
Be a-scared of Ed Reed, Chad Pennington. Be very a-scared. No single player should be allowed to have that level of talent.
EDIT: OK, hold the phones for a second here. Jonathan Coachman does football coverage for ESPN News? Did I see that right?
Jonathan [EDITED] COACHMAN??? The [EDITED] COACH???
Jebus H. Christmas, Bristol, are you really scouring Vince McMahon castoffs for on air talent???
Sorry, back to the conversation. As Jack Buck once said, I can't believe what I just saw.
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Post by Jack on Dec 28, 2008 20:41:11 GMT -5
Disappointing for the Pats to miss the playoffs after overcoming so many injuries this year, but it's really tough to complain too much when so many things have gone well for them this decade. Unfortunately, this team was good enough to beat bad teams but not really good enough to win it all. That still makes them better than at least 3 teams in the playoffs this year, but it's not like they did not know the rules going in. Go Titans? (I actively dislike just about everyone else left)
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Post by FLHoya on Dec 28, 2008 21:30:46 GMT -5
Earlier this year, I was at Summers on a Sunday, and watched as one Miami fan sang the Dolphins fight song (I honestly had no idea they even had one) and got a standing ovation as the Dolphins blew out the Pats. Unbelievably, that game made all the difference. Somewhere, that guy must have a huge grin on his face. You should have called, like, an archaeologist or something, having discovered the first known evidence of a Miami Dolphins fan prior to December. There's comedy...there's high comedy...and there's the scene I saw at the airport flying home this evening. B Terminal at Palm Beach International Airport (if you've ever been to South Florida in the winter, you know what the demographics look like and why this would be funny), my gate was next to a JetBlue flight to LaGuardia. There must be a few hundred folks staring at A BLACK AND WHITE FUZZY TELEVISION (apparently discount carriers won't spring for cable...who knew!) and just going at it during the Dolphins-Jets game. Wish I could have stuck around for the ending. Flying on any NFL Sunday is an interesting experience, but it's particularly fun on this day. Everyone on the plane asking around for scores, high fives exchanged at the baggage carousel with a guy in a Vikings jersey, taunts heard to the Jets fans, missed opportunities with Cowboys fans (I'd heard false info that they'd won).
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Post by Filo on Dec 28, 2008 21:48:14 GMT -5
I said it on another thread, but I find the mediocrity in the NFL pretty damn boring. I guess parity is fun if your team is fighting for a chance at the playoffs on the last day but...
The Bears and Bucs can't win when the season is on the line? Pathetic. The Eagles got lucky, backing in to the playoffs. But credit to them for winning a big game. They are a bit reminiscent of the Giants last year -- getting hot at the right time, season turning around late in the year. They very well could make the Super Bowl. Ugh.
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Post by DanMcQ on Dec 28, 2008 22:09:41 GMT -5
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