hoyaboy1
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Post by hoyaboy1 on Oct 20, 2008 13:22:48 GMT -5
Leben moved forward more, but Bisping landed the much cleaner punches. I could see giving round 2 to Leben but one of my pet peeves is when people say "it should have been a split decision" - that's a totally illogical argument.
Franklin/Henderson is at 205 (I guess because neither feels like cutting), but if they fought Bisping I'm sure it would be at 185. Franklin being the coach doesn't make much sense if they are setting up a fight with Silva (does anyone want to see that again?) but that seems like what they are going for.
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hoyaboy1
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Post by hoyaboy1 on Oct 21, 2008 9:53:44 GMT -5
Kimbo, Carano, and Cyborg might go to Strikeforce, which is working on an NBC TV deal. UFC should go after Lawlor, Shields, and Alvarez primarily. Other good guys are Feijao, Noons, and Diaz (although not sure the UFC would want him).
Also a rumor that Affliction is going after the CBS deal.
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Post by bubbrubbhoya on Oct 21, 2008 10:33:14 GMT -5
For those of you who know something about this, can you give me a glimmer of hope that today's folding of this minor fighting league (or whatever it was) signals a turning of the corner in the American infatuation with ultimate fighting? Much like housing and derivative swaps, has the rise of MMA finally come to an end, only to be seen again on a VH1 retrospective show in ten years or so? With the overplay these days, the "MMA Theory" has replaced the "Caine-Hackman Theory" of PCU fame (no matter what time it is, you can find it on TV), and I can't wait for that no longer to be the case.
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Post by fatthew on Oct 26, 2008 19:24:14 GMT -5
Did anyone see the PPV last night? I missed it, but it seems that people are pretty upset by A. Silva's actions in the ring. Any thoughts?
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hoyaboy1
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Post by hoyaboy1 on Nov 14, 2008 10:15:04 GMT -5
Filho is an out of shape and depressed drug addict. Coming over from Japan I would have put him at top 3 at 185. Now he's a joke.
When the lines first came out, Couture was -150, which surprised me - I thought Lesnar was a very bad matchup for Randy since he is bigger, faster, stronger, and a better overall wrestler. The line has since moved and Lesnar is around -130, which I think is more realistic. There are obviously tons of unknowns in this fight (how will Brock's standup look if he is on his feet for more than 30 seconds, can Brock last 5 rounds, can Randy defend/get a takedown, can Brock stay patient and avoid a dumb sub, has Randy gotten better off his back), etc.
My prediction is a 3rd round TKO from GnP by Lesnar.
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Post by hifigator on Nov 14, 2008 13:07:20 GMT -5
The very fact that Couture can even stand a chance to compete at this level is a testament to his wrok and dedication. That's just amazing. In a sense, I liken it to one of those tyson fights, with Lesnar being Tyson. If Randy can weather the storm, then I think he has a chance to win by his advantage in technical fighting but I'm not sure how much of that is my heart talking rather than my head. I think hoyaboy is probably pretty close, but if it does go that direction, I don't think it will get to the 3rd round.
The one aspect I haven't heard too many people mention is that Lesnar is so big and strong, that even if Couture is successful at tying him up inside and on the mat, it will really take a lot out of Randy, much moreso than most of the guys he has fought in the past. I'd still love to see Randy pull it out though.
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Post by Hank Scorpio on Nov 14, 2008 15:09:20 GMT -5
The way I see it, the only way you are beating Lesnar by submission is by heel hook/knee bar like Mir, or by decision. You're not going to rearnaked choke him. You're not going to armbar him. His neck and arm are too big.
On paper, I just don't see how Randy can win this fight. I am about 6'3 245, and I bumped into Brock coming around a corner backstage in cincinnati for Franklin/Silva 2 and was thrown back like 3 feet. He's a wall that runs a 4.7 40 yard dash. Heath Herring is about my size, has TONS of MMA experience, and he threw him around like a rag doll. Randy's biggest strength is wrestling...and Brock is an awesome wrestler and will have about 60 pounds on him by the time the bell rings tomorrow night.
That said, I hear from people who have trained with him that Lesnar does not respond to getting punched well. He hasn't really been touched yet. If Randy can dirty box and rough him up on the inside, he may be able to eek out a decision.
Fingers crossed for Ken-Flo, I was promised a happy bday shoutout during his postfight if he wins tomorrow...but he'll probably just thank his sponsors. Sellout
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Post by hifigator on Nov 14, 2008 16:34:21 GMT -5
Thanks for the edit Buff. All I was going to say was that the relative glut of competing shows had gotten it so confusing that it was difficult to keep up with the different factions, much less compare fighters across companies. Maybe I mispoke though. While not the dedicated fan that many of you obviously are, I am more than just the casual fan. That wasn't my intent. I thoroughly enjoy it and have set the DVR at the lake to record most of the shows. Then when I'm out there, I get the best of both worlds -- all of the fighting with little if any of the hype.
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Post by fatthew on Nov 14, 2008 19:38:48 GMT -5
Did anyone see the preview show? They were talking about Lesnar in college:
Q to Lesnar: What do you bench?
Lesnar's Response: Whatever I want.
He's a beast. But can he finish? He should have finished Herring in the first with a guillotine. Should have finished him later with GnP. That fight should never have gone to the cards. However, I don't know that Brock couldn't finish that fight. Its possible that he was being overly careful b/c he was too aggressive with Mir. But its def. a question mark.
I feel like this fight's going to a decision either way. I think Randy's going to get in Brock's head, and force him to make mistakes. I got Randy in a close decision. But I do not say that confidently.
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Post by RBHoya on Nov 16, 2008 0:32:56 GMT -5
Lesnar FTW. The shot that knocked Randy down didn't look that nasty but I guess from a guy that strong it was enough. From there Brock was just bouncing his head off the mat with hammer fists. None of it looked that lethal but it was clear after the fight that Randy was too dazed to come back from it.
Overall, probably good for UFC. Lesnar is more well-known due to his WWE experience and the fact that he looks super-human figures to bode well for marketing. Looking forward to his next fight, hopefully Nogueira can beat Mir. Assuming he keeps the belt a while, Lesnar/Fedor whenever Fedor comes to UFC will probably be yet again billed as the biggest fight in UFC history.
Also, KenFlo is nasty.
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hoyaboy1
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Post by hoyaboy1 on Nov 20, 2008 11:33:55 GMT -5
Dana's latest shenanigans and ranting are disgraceful.
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Post by hoyaboy1 on Nov 20, 2008 13:30:58 GMT -5
While I appreciate what Dana has done for MMA he simply isn't professional or mature enough to be the face of the UFC anymore. I really think it's time for him to go - the UFC doesn't need a Vince McMahon.
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Post by RBHoya on Nov 24, 2008 23:49:25 GMT -5
Never been a huge fan of Dana, he makes no buts about the fact that he's got a big ego. When he goes to other media outlets for interviews and stuff I think he comes off like a cocky jackass. I think UFC could probably use a businessman who is a little more eloquent rather than a guy who acts like he knows he's right all the time. Of course I'm not sure what exactly Dana does off camera and not sure if others could do it as well as he does, so, meh.
Really looking forward to next months pay per view, 3 really big matches. I actually think Rashad is going to knock off Griffin. I always doubt Evans in big fights, thinking he'll lose, but he seems to prove me wrong. And I'm not totally sold on Forest as champ. Think we're likely looking at Rampage vs. Rashad down the road, but both light heavyweight fights could go either way. Definitely pulling for Nogueira over Mir, have really taken to Nog while watching this season of TUF.
Speaking of, anybody else watching that? I've watched some seasons more than others in the past but this one has been solid so far. Predictions for the semifinals next week? I think both light heavyweight matches will be real interesting. Elliot says he's the underdog against Bader, not so sure about that though. And Krystof vs. Vinny is the most interesting match of the show. I think Vinny has the most potential of any of these guys if he can find ways to take guys down without getting drilled. In lightheavyweight I like Efrain over Junie and Felipe over Roop... Interesting thing will be to see whether or not Junie gets kicked out, if he does figure that Polakowski from last week will get to take on either Shane Nelson or Kaplan for the right to fill that slot. Either way I like Efrain over all of 'em. Hoping Team Nogueira has a strong showing, they have been much more likable and the Team Mir guys have been pretty cocky and at times disrespectful of Nogueira himself.
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Post by hifigator on Nov 26, 2008 13:04:46 GMT -5
Don't forget Kane gets a shot at new Heavyweight Champ John Cena on Monday night.
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Post by fatthew on Nov 29, 2008 13:01:31 GMT -5
This supposedly is video of that Sambo loss:
Looks to be a different sport than MMA... it would be like another fighter losing in a Judo tourney, a BJJ tourney, etc. I don't think it really affects his ranking as the no. 1 HW. Its possible that it may affect public opinion of him.
I think this was one of the major obstacles to the UFC signing Fedor. UFC didn't want him fighting in these things because of this exact scenario - Fedor losing two months before a huge PPV.
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Post by hifigator on Dec 9, 2008 13:13:14 GMT -5
Colin Cowherd just had an interview with Dana White that was pretty interesting. It focused more on the nature of the sport and its development as a mainstream competitor for the typical sports' fans' interests. Some of you more savy computer guys can probably post a link to the audio of it from the ESPN website, but in any case I think fans of MMA would enjoy it.
Cowherd was quick to point out, as he has in the past, that ESPN was slow to accept MMA and that even he was somewhat hesitant to accept it into his fold, but admits that he was wrong.
White also pointed out that the image of casual observers that "real fans" are just there to see the blood and gore is totally bogus. I think in a way, he was likening it to those who think that Nascar fans are just there to see the wrecks. He said that most of the real fans appreciate the more subtle aspects of UFC/MMA and that it is really based in martial arts rather than boxing, while still admitting the natural adaptation of multiple parts of both sports and all disciplines.
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Post by hifigator on Dec 11, 2008 12:15:02 GMT -5
That was a very entertaining event and like most similar performances, you could tell that it meant a lot, not just to the troops but to the entertainers as well. The Yoshida-Koschek fight looked staged to me for some reason, but if it was, then Yoshida damn sure earned his money. He was out from the first punch, only up because of the cage and then knocked totally stiff on the second. In any case, I'm not going to call Dish Network and ask for my money back ... (sarcasm of course ...)
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Post by Cambridge on Dec 11, 2008 13:05:20 GMT -5
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Post by Cambridge on Dec 11, 2008 13:31:02 GMT -5
That was a prelim fight on the undercard that wasn't shown on the broadcast. Probably a good thing for the sport.
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Post by Hank Scorpio on Jan 9, 2009 15:41:41 GMT -5
We've seen blood and broken arms before...but nothing like that. I was 5 feet away and that was one of the nastiest things I have ever seen in my entire life. There was a serious discussion as to whether to even show a replay in the arena. Probably a good thing for the sport. I wouldn't say that. They showed a guy break/dislocate his elbow on the same card, and we've seen bones snap on live broadcasts before...
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