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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2008 8:19:16 GMT -5
According to MMAJunkie, as pointed out to me by fatthew:
- Randy Couture in negotiations with UFC to return and (presumably) start defending his title. - Rumor has it his first fight will be with Lesnar. - Rumor continues that this fight will set up a legendary clash between Randy and, believe it or not, FEDOR in the Octagon.
If true... WOW[/i] x 1,000,000,000.
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Post by Hank Scorpio on Sept 2, 2008 15:39:01 GMT -5
Official. November 15th. Las Vegas.
winner of that fight gets winner of Mir/Nog in early 2009.
my money is on Lesnar.
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Post by fatthew on Sept 2, 2008 18:34:35 GMT -5
That's awesome. Some people are complaining that Lesnar hasn't done enough to warrant a title shot. First of all, that doesn't matter b/c this fight is huge. Second, I don't really see the winner of that fight as the true champion. Its almost like a heavyweight tournament for the belt - 1 seed v. 4 seed (Couture v. Lesnar) & 2 seed v. 3 seed (Nog v. Mir), with the winners fighting for the championship. This is a tough first fight for Randy after a year lay-off. He's right back into the fire.
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Post by RBHoya on Sept 2, 2008 20:48:48 GMT -5
Damn that's a huge, huge fight. Has there ever been a bigger heavyweight fight in the UFC's history? In terms of how many casual fans are going to want to watch it I can't imagine this isn't the biggest. Lesnar and Randy are probably 2 of the best known fighters in the world since they've both been involved in some other things. Should be a huge draw, I know I'm eager to see it.
Mixed feelings about Fedor possibly coming to the UFC as the icing on the cake to this 4 man tournament as fatthew phrased it. It would seem to be the last domino to fall to solidify UFC as the "major league" of MMA. While I like the idea of seeing some enormous fights at the heavyweight level, I think Fedor coming to UFC pretty much ends any hope of anybody giving UFC legit competition any time soon... and while we all wanna see the best of the best fight, lack of competition is never good for any industry IMO.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2008 7:57:11 GMT -5
To quote a man much smarter than myself, "FREAKIN' SWEET!!!"
I like the idea of a "tournament" to solidify the HW title. On the one hand, yes, it is still Randy's. But he hasn't fought in over a year, Nog and Mir have earned the right to have their fight mean SOMETHING, but this arrangement gives all parties involved a fair shot at the title. Although I'm sure Lesnar's inclusion has ruffled some feathers...
And no matter the outcome of the "tournament," you know Randy will get ANOTHER shot at the title if he loses to Lesnar or the Mir/Nog winner. The guy DID sign a new three-year deal.
Lesnar's going to weigh in at 265, but likely enter the ring at 270-275. Any clue as to what Randy's going to weigh in at? I can't find weigh-in information anywhere for any of his HW fights.
EDIT: According to an article at fanhouse (run by Yahoo! I think), Randy has said he will probably fight in the 225 range. That'll be a good 50 pounds lighter than Lesnar come fight night. Wow.
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Post by Hank Scorpio on Sept 3, 2008 17:45:46 GMT -5
i'll post more after this weekend, kind of up to my eyeballs in TUF8 launch stuff and am heading to ATL tomorrow, but...
Lesnar walks around at about 290 and cuts down to 265 as that is the max weight in the division. He will probably weight 285 come fight time.
Randy, at his largest, probably weighs, 230. The difference in size is going to be pronounced, and, unlike Tim Sylvia, Lesnar is athletic enough to wrestle with Randy.
Randy is going to work submissions like mad leading up to this fight, b/c, from what I've seen, that's the only way you're going to beat Lesnar: hope he leaves himself exposed and catch him in an ankle/heel/knee lock. i don't think you're going to armbar him. i don't think you're going to RNC him. he's too big and strong. i don't even think you could get full mount on him, dude would just throw you off. it's a very tough fight for Randy.
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Post by fatthew on Sept 3, 2008 20:58:03 GMT -5
Is it physically possible to mount Lesnar? His chest is so big, I don't think you could get your legs around it.
I also love the parallel between this fight & what XC is doing in Oct (Kimbo-Ken Shamrock). In both cases, you have the 30-something up-and-comer who made his name someplace else & whose legitimacy is arguable versus a 45 year old legend of the sport who has been out of action for a while. Except that the UFC version will be one of the biggest fights in history, & XC's is an act of desperation. Its like the UFC is saying, "There is nothing you can do that we can't do 10x's better."
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Post by Hank Scorpio on Sept 7, 2008 2:22:36 GMT -5
They should have called it "UFC 88: YOWZA"
Thought Rashad could win, but on points. Never saw a stoppage coming, let alone on one of the greatest KOs of all time.
catch it before it's taken down
I've never heard an arena more deflated. Way worse than Silva beating Franklin in Cincy.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2008 6:29:55 GMT -5
Niagara Falls' own.... SUGAR... RASHAAAAAAD... EVAAAAAAAANNNNNNNSSS!!!
Freakin' sweet. Didn't get the PPV for the reasons several of us described above, but damn do I wish I had. That has to be right up there with the best UFC knockout's in history, and reminds me so much of Gonzaga v. CroCop where one strike flattens the other guy, and the ref intervenes to stop the fight IMMEDIATELY because it is so ridiculously apparent the dude is done. Kudos to the greatest ref not named Big John McCarthy - Herb Dean - for having the wherewithal to stop the fight SO QUICKLY. How many times have we seen one guy KO another guy, but still have the opportunity to land a few head or body shots before the ref puts a stop to the action?
Hank you can probably shed a little light on it for people who didn't see it live, but apparently Evans was floatin' like a butterfly for a good part of the first? Got the fans booing him for the stick-n-move tactics?
Any details you can provide about the other fights would be appreciated, too. Does Franklin have a chance at 205? I feel like its out of the frying pan (Silva) for him and into the fire (LHW is probably the most stacked weight class right now).
Oh, and I'm EditedED WEC had to be cancelled this Wednesday. Stupid hurricanes...
EDIT: With three losses in four fights, are we at the point where we say Liddell is done? This has to drop him WAY down the challenge ladder for a shot at the title. Think about it: Rampage deserves a rematch at some point, Machida is clearly ahead of him, Evans now vaults ahead of him, if Wanderlei can win his next fight I'd put him ahead of Chuck, not to mention guys like a (victorious last night) Dan Henderson, Shogun, Thiago Silva...
EDIT 2: Speaking of my man Machida, they better find him a decent opponent to destroy at UFC 89. If they take him off that (free) card I'm going to be EditedED. Weather has already deprived me of my Faber fix for several months, it better not do the same with Machida.
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Post by fatthew on Sept 7, 2008 9:08:44 GMT -5
Wow. I was completely wrong about Rashad. Definitely KO of the year. I wasn't going to buy this PPV, but the Countdown show sold me. (side note: Hank, do you have anything to do with the countdown shows? They are awesome.)
Rashad was moving alot & he was frustrating Chuck. Of course, most people will say that he was running, but I think it was part of the game plan to get Chuck to chase him. The other thing that the fans seemed to be getting on him for was the dancing. I don't know why he feels the need to do all that nonsense. In his interviews b/f the fight, he is likable, and he was humble in his post-fight with Rogan. But in the cage, for whatever reason, he feels the need to showboat. I don't get it.
Aside from that, he has some quick hands. Looks like he's going to get the next title shot, and he is going to give Griffin fits.
Franklin looked really sharp. Great striking & great takedown defense. And I love when a fight is finished with a liver shot. I think he's in the mix at LHW. I read that Machida is not going to fight at 89 now, but will fight before the end of the year. I would love to see a Franklin-Machida rematch. I also would like to see Franklin-Henderson.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2008 20:28:37 GMT -5
I feel like I read somewhere that Rampage-Wandy was being talked about for an end-of-year bout? If that's true, with the Liddell loss, who gets the next shot at Forrest?
Rashad? Seriously? I, too, would LOVE to see a Franklin-Machida fight (never saw the original), but with Liddell out of the picture can't we get Lyoto a title shot? I know he's "boring" and all, and not a great sell for the UFC, but I personally think the guy has Anderson Silva "clean-out-the-division" potential. I don't know why, I just do.
Maybe Henderson now that he's focusing on LHW? He's got the name. Shogun? Thiago "faking-a-back-injury-because-I'm-afraid-of-Lyoto" Silva? Sokoudjou?!?!?!?!? THE DEAN OF MEAN, KEITH JARDINE?!?!?!?
And with Henderson and Franklin fleeing to LHW, where does Silva go after he demolishes Cote?
EDIT: Just saw the Lyoto KO of Franklin on YouTube. DAMN!!! Now THAT'S how you throw a knee!!!
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Post by RBHoya on Sept 17, 2008 22:45:37 GMT -5
"Jesus Didn't Tap" with a cross for the T. Not really sure I get the meaning of the shirt--obviously "Jesus didn't give up" on the cross, but... whats that mean? Jesus is an MMA fan? Avoiding tapping out makes you like Jesus? I don't really get it.
Anyway, I like Diaz and he looked really good tonight between the judo throws and several smooth counters to everything Neer tried to do on the ground. Thought it should have been unanimous.
Looks like a solid crop on this season of TUF, I'm glad they're back to light heavyweight.
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Post by hifigator on Sept 18, 2008 11:07:10 GMT -5
Buff wrote:
Also, that "UFC Fights For The Troop" event in December sounds like a great event.
They stole that idea from the WWE. They have done that for several years now and it is always a hit event. The UFC will probably be live though. The wrestling event is taped weeks in advance and then shown on the Monday night right around Christmas. In any case, my friend who just got out of the hospital was there for one of the shows in Baghdad and he had a blast. I always like the footage they would show of the wrestlers interacting in assorted activities with the soldiers and you could literally see the joy in their eyes. In any case, I'm sure the troops truly appreciate things like that.
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Post by hifigator on Sept 18, 2008 13:36:02 GMT -5
Buff, I didn't mean anything negative at all. "Stole" might not have been the best term, and yes, I know that entertainers have been putting on shows for our soldiers for decades. My tone obviously didn't come through. I think things like this are wonderful ideas. I hadn't heard about the UFC card and didn't know any particulars, but the designated fundraiser aspect only makes it all-the-better. Again, I certainly didn't intend any negative hint whatsoever.
I still get almost teary watching that footage from the first WWE show for the troops. It's a montage put to the Creed song "My Sacrifice," and it shows all the big time WWE stars -- HBK, Kurt Angle (at the time), Cactus Jack/Mick Foley, Triple H, Hardy Boyz, etc.. and of course most of the divas as well -- Trish Stratus, Stacey Kiebler, Tori Wilson etc... in teracting with the troops and as I said you can literally see the true heartfelt joy from the brave men and women as they get to see up close the WWE superstars. It is really very touching. I expect it will be the same thing with the UFC stars.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Sept 18, 2008 17:41:30 GMT -5
Our troops have to deal with too much danger and horrible things as it is without subjecting them to Creed.
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Post by FormerHoya on Sept 19, 2008 16:21:16 GMT -5
I too cry every time I hear Creed.
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Post by Hank Scorpio on Oct 6, 2008 13:19:25 GMT -5
I've seen this week's TUF. It is, indeed, a doozie.
the card on Dec 27th was announced.
Rashad/Forrest Nogueira/Mir Rampage/Wanderlei
I'm skipping Randy/Lesnar to see that in person.
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Post by hoyaboy1 on Oct 8, 2008 11:33:27 GMT -5
I've seen this week's TUF. It is, indeed, a doozie. the card on Dec 27th was announced. Rashad/Forrest Nogueira/Mir Rampage/Wanderlei I'm skipping Randy/Lesnar to see that in person. Good call - 91 is a garbage card.
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Post by hoyaboy1 on Oct 8, 2008 13:00:55 GMT -5
Good call - 91 is a garbage card. It ain't the best, but garbage? KenFlo-Stevenson is a good fight, as is Maia-Quarry. Granted, the only real reason to buy the PPV or head out to a bar that will be showing it is the main event, but I'd hardly call it garbage. If they were smart, they'd get Machida on that card, seeing as how his fight at 89 was canceled due to Thiago Silva's cowardice injury. The main event should be good, and I'm very interested in it. Florian-Stevenson is a solid fight, but it should be something like the 3rd or 4th best fight on a card. Neither are top 10 in their class (worldwide), and borderline top 5 in the ufc. I like Maia but Quarry is nothing special, not even top 20. And beyond that it gets worse.
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Post by fatthew on Oct 12, 2008 8:39:40 GMT -5
I just re-watched Lesnar-Herring last night. I will definitely be puying UFC 91 just for the main event. Am I an idiot for thinking that Lesnar as a shot to beat Couture?
Also, they are listing Stevenson's record as 34-8. Is that right? 42 fights? That seems like alot for a guy whose only in his mid-20's.
As for that Kimbo debacle, I think that EliteXC is determined to ruin the sport. How can you pay a guy not to go to the ground? Disgusting, if its true. The only sad thing about elitexc's demise is that I don't know where I'll get to watch the women fight. Other than that, the promotion is garbage.
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