hoyadrummer
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Post by hoyadrummer on Jul 6, 2008 10:52:41 GMT -5
I don't have too much to add to the other recaps, except:
Vaughn is short. Florida state had him listed at 6'10", and we repeated that in our latest PR regarding his eligibility. But he is not 6'10". I get that all teams seem to boost height, or list height with shoes on, but our listed height for Freeman is 6'4" and Vaughn had about 3" on him. Obviously, Beasley showed that this doesn't have to be an obstacle, but I don' know how it will play our for Vaughn.
On the plus side, I loved his effort in a summer league game.
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SirSaxa
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Post by SirSaxa on Jul 6, 2008 10:57:59 GMT -5
MCI Guy,
thanks for an incredibly thorough report and analysis. It takes a lot of time and effort to put all that together. Please know it is greatly appreciated by all of us out of towners.
Based on your early report, it sounds like we are in for another exciting season!
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mapei
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Post by mapei on Jul 6, 2008 10:59:26 GMT -5
Count me also as curious about the selection of KL lineups.
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SirSaxa
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Post by SirSaxa on Jul 6, 2008 11:09:45 GMT -5
HoyaLNU, are you by any chance a Georgetown Freshman? Dunno, SixSaxa, if it helps get an answer to the question, I'll be anything that works. I read the links to the league that I could find, and although they're full of hsitory, they didn't say. My underlying question was whether or not Kenner team lineups help GU players get to know each other's style of play, or if the Kenner team experience is pretty much a wash given as far as Hoya team building is concerned given the play time they have and will have together. Call it crazy, I thought this board my be the right place for someone who doesn't know (me) to ask someone who, judging from his other posts, does (you). Lord knows there's enough crap in various places all over this board that the question isn't clutter. Sorry if you took offense to my response, none was intended. You are a Hoya fan and a board member with very few posts who is not yet familiar with how Kenner works. Seemed like "freshman" was a reasonable assumption. Welcome to the board! The TOMBS team, sponsored by the restaurant of the same name, has always been the team for Hoya Freshmen. In this case, the coaching staff decided to add Chris Wright -- presumably so he as PG can get acclimated with the other guys and vice versa. As MCI Guy explained, Nikita is on the team too to give him a chance to get some PT with those guys. Incidentally, the GU coaches influence who plays on which teams, but are not allowed to coach the teams directly. Most of the team plays most of the summer, but not every team member plays every game every year. The primary GU guys are sprinkled among other teams so everyone gets PT. As you may or may not know, you can count on some great recaps from MCI Guy, FLHoya and the Ambassador among others, although FL Hoya is going to be out of town for quite a few games this summer. Looking forward to "seeing you" on the board. Hoya Saxa
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MCIGuy
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Post by MCIGuy on Jul 6, 2008 11:21:06 GMT -5
I don't have too much to add to the other recaps, except: Vaughn is short. Florida state had him listed at 6'10", and we repeated that in our latest PR regarding his eligibility. But he is not 6'10". I get that all teams seem to boost height, or list height with shoes on, but our listed height for Freeman is 6'4" and Vaughn had about 3" on him. Obviously, Beasley showed that this doesn't have to be an obstacle, but I don' know how it will play our for Vaughn. On the plus side, I loved his effort in a summer league game. He was lsited as 6'10 coming out of high school so its not necessarily Florida State's fault. I think he is short of 6'10 too but he is at least 6'8. There is never a consensus on height when it comes to those of us watching anyway. Forgot to mention Wattad. His first shot was a three point attempt which he swished. He may have taken one to two more attempts after that but he didn't connect on anymore the rest of the way. Of course he didn't get many minutes either. He's not a prioroty for the M & A team it seems and may not be seen as good enough for them to trust in the lineup when the game matters. I'm expecting him to get uneven minutes for that team even though he may be the best long range shooter for M & A. The problem is when you get close to him he seems unwilling or unable to take his shot which means he may be best as a guy left open in the corner and knock it down a few times per outing. His dribbling was a bit herky-jerky. Its not good enough at this point to get him past the man defending him.
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GIGAFAN99
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Jul 6, 2008 11:24:32 GMT -5
dfw.. georgetown has 5 guards I actually agree with DFW here. That guy's post sounds like we'll become Villanova. The rotation looks pretty much exactly like last year. The difference will be we replace a back-to-the-basket center with the more hybrid PF-C. But guard heavy? Not even a question. We lost Rivers and Wallace and gained Clark and a healthy Wright. There's absolutely no change at all.
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hoyaboy1
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Post by hoyaboy1 on Jul 6, 2008 12:10:55 GMT -5
Vaughn seemed a smidge taller than Dermarr Johnson, who is listed at 6'9" - it'll be easier to measure once DaJuan shows up.
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EasyEd
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Post by EasyEd on Jul 6, 2008 12:42:26 GMT -5
Thanks, MCI, for your summaries.
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MCIGuy
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Post by MCIGuy on Jul 6, 2008 12:49:18 GMT -5
MCI Guy, thanks for an incredibly thorough report and analysis. It takes a lot of time and effort to put all that together. Please know it is greatly appreciated by all of us out of towners. Based on your early report, it sounds like we are in for another exciting season! Thanks. The time it takes to write this stuff is why I guess I don't write them much anymore. In fact yesterday I told myself to do a short version of my breakdown instead of my old-style longer reviews. But even this "short" piece I wrote, as you can see, went on for a bit. Back in the day it may have been three times longer considering all the material I had to cover.
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Post by blueandgray on Jul 6, 2008 13:28:06 GMT -5
great recap mci...made me feel like I was there myself.
pre-vaughn eligibilty waver ... i'm on record saying that sims will be the most pivotal player for the hoyas in terms of the critically important role he will play (ie..backing up greg, possibly starting at the 5 allowing DS to play the 3, etc, etc). now that vaughn is on board...not quite as much is resting on henry's shoulders, nonetheless, its great to hear he is starting off strong and that he has natural floor chemistry with our other bigs. I was surprised to read what one poster said about him being awkward (hibbert-like) in how he ran as a freshman. Really? Granted, i've only seen him play a few times and never live...but I think that's something I would have picked up on. contrarily, i came away with the impression that he was fairly fluid and athletic.
with regard to clark, this kid may be the most naturally athletic backcourt player we've had since iverson. he is fast, has a quick first step, has very long arms, a nice crossover, a good jumper and has more than adequate leaps (more than wright i'd say). is he the defensive stopper rivers was?...no. is he a better all around player who will make hoya fans very happy for years to come?....absolutely.
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prhoya
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Post by prhoya on Jul 6, 2008 13:46:52 GMT -5
Great recap, MCI. It looked like FL's.
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Post by Eurostar on Jul 6, 2008 13:46:54 GMT -5
great recap mci...made me feel like I was there myself. pre-vaughn eligibilty waver ... i'm on record saying that sims will be the most pivotal player for the hoyas in terms of the critically important role he will play (ie..backing up greg, possibly starting at the 5 allowing DS to play the 3, etc, etc). now that vaughn is on board...not quite as much is resting on henry's shoulders, nonetheless, its great to hear he is starting off strong and that he has natural floor chemistry with our other bigs. I was surprised to read what one poster said about him being awkward (hibbert-like) in how he ran as a freshman. Really? Granted, i've only seen him play a few times and never live...but I think that's something I would have picked up on. contrarily, i came away with the impression that he was fairly fluid and athletic. with regard to clark, this kid may be the most naturally athletic backcourt player we've had since iverson. he is fast, has a quick first step, has very long arms, a nice crossover, a good jumper and has more than adequate leaps (more than wright i'd say). is he the defensive stopper rivers was?...no. is he a better all around player who will make hoya fans very happy for years to come?....absolutely. Sims did not look awkward at all. Ran better than Hibbert did as a senior. He is slight, but looks like a decent shot blocker. He looked fairly comfortable offensively around 10-15 feet out where he could catch the ball, face up his defender and make a move to the basket. Its good that he has these skills now because you know Thompson and co will work on his big man skills and post moves in the coming months. As was said before, he needs to do what most freshman big men need to do - get stronger, defensive positioning, boxing out and willingness to bang.
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prhoya
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Post by prhoya on Jul 6, 2008 13:48:27 GMT -5
is he the defensive stopper rivers was?...no. Give him time.
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Post by RDF on Jul 6, 2008 14:14:30 GMT -5
First of all--the guy who "reviewed" the Kenner--obviously knows nothing about the kids he saw play. How Henry Sims being "skinny" surprised him is hilarious. Greg Monroe was/isn't/won't be a traditional "Center" in any sense. This guy sounded as if he was expecting Alonzo Mourning--and then used Kevin Durant and Michael Beasley as basis for his "grade". Those 2 did what no Frosh have done in history of CBB--so what kind of measure is that? You could throw in that Monroe/Sims are interchangeable parts--in terms of a lot of their skills-but also their AGE--these guys just turned 18 years old--so take that into account. Their talent level will allow them to accelerate the learning process as they get coaching and improved fitness/strength and conditioning. Jason Clark was the DC Player of Year and you'd have thought expectations were for Dean Berry. The team is going to run more--and they not only should--but they have to. You cannot keep getting big time talent if they aren't allowed more freedom. I'm all for the great halfcourt offense--but that is only if you can't get an easy basket off transition/secondary break/look--ala the Chris Wright dump to Roy in BET Semis. That is great offensive basketball too. Expect a lot more hoops like that from now on. I actually think Sims/Monroe are the type of bigs who will give Blair fits--he had trouble with Macklin last year in game at Pitt--length gives him problems--and Sims/Monroe will have each other as help-not Austin Freeman. I'm not saying the FR will be greatest group ever--but I am also going into the season knowing what I saw--and as a fan who has been high on Henry Sims since seeing him at Nike Camp prior to his JR Season--and knew he'd be a great fit for Hoya program--I won't be shocked to see him be a lottery pick within 3 years. Same for Monroe--who played FACING the basket more then in post where he supposedly just "turned and dunked on people".
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SFHoya99
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jul 6, 2008 14:46:46 GMT -5
Hoya LNU - it is a Summer League rule that only two returning players can be on the same team as well. Not sure of that was clear, but that's why the players are split up.
How they pick the teams aside from "Freshmen on The Tombs" is always a matter of debate on the board.
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Post by ihoya on Jul 6, 2008 15:27:25 GMT -5
haven't seen Kenner but ??Sims = Scruggs??
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SirSaxa
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Post by SirSaxa on Jul 6, 2008 16:19:03 GMT -5
haven't seen Kenner but ??Sims = Scruggs?? I haven't seen it either, but that is a sad memory. Scruggs had so much potential, but spent half his two years being ineligible. What a waste/ I will guess Sims can't shoot as well as Lee, at least not yet.
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SirSaxa
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Post by SirSaxa on Jul 6, 2008 16:22:29 GMT -5
Gotta love the comments on Jason from RDF and others. I think we can expect a big contribution from him this season. If he is in the same quickness league as Chris Wright, whoa! That would be quite something.
And there will be the occasional times when Clark, Wright and Sapp are all on the floor at the same time -- say, v. Nova.
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SirSaxa
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Post by SirSaxa on Jul 6, 2008 16:23:34 GMT -5
Giga and MCI -- the above post is not a stealth attempt to put Jason in the starting line-up in the place of.... anyone!
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GIGAFAN99
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Jul 6, 2008 17:24:45 GMT -5
haven't seen Kenner but ??Sims = Scruggs?? I'll say right now if Sims is playing D on the perimeter like FL says he is definitely NOT Scruggs. Scruggs had no lateral quickness on D. Actually if anyone has a chance to be a Scruggs comparison on this team, it's Nikita. Scruggs was pretty Euro in his skill set.
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